I know others like Cutterslade, Sad Pandas and other premade groups have been getting to wave 9-10 both fed and kdf though I've no idea how close they got but they haven't always been the most optimal of runs so if that were rectified they could also be beating nws I wouldn't put it past them they are very capable.
I wouldn't be surprised if others, now seeing nws has been beaten, renewed their efforts and beat it. I've no idea when I'll work on a guide it's time that's the problem and I want to do it properly but I'll hope to have some time by the weekend at the latest.
In my opinion wave 6 is tricky on the East side when you have a wave spawn, then the platform, then another wave but dealt with correctly and you shouldn't have problems.
Wave 7 is perhaps the most tricky (with exception to 10) because waves spawn North and East (shortly followed by a platform in the North and South) then once most/all ships are destroyed waves spawn South and West. Because of the subtle timing differences and especially no dreadnaught you can save it's not easy especially in the South where you're more likely to get the platform first then the ships warp in when it's probably easier to have it the other way around.
Although 9 is pretty simple and easy it's sometimes too easy and we've killed everything too quickly so most people's abilities are on cooldown for 10 (no dreadnaught to save) so preparing for the next wave is also a challenge.
On stardate 66352.2, the House of Kobayashi, together with two other brave Klingon warriors, finally beat the No-Win Scenario. Afterwards we went to New Romulus and celebrated with our new titles by the waterfall.
I've been told it's a detailed and comprehensive guide on what to expect for each wave (when viewed as a slideshow) and very helpful even as a reference.
I hope this is of some help to people while I write up a proper guide, run it by my teammates and publish it on stowiki.
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For all the people who imply the win wasn't 'fair' here is some food for thoughts.
If something broke the No Win Scenario making it trivial where are all the other people completing it?
Well from a certain point of view, having 5 dedicated players is cheating. Har har har.
I think the point being made is, you're not going to win going in guns blazing. The test is designed to slap you silly for thinking standard. One does not simply beat the NWS. One must out smart it. You do that by not grouping randomly via the public cues. This, from a certain point of view, is "cheating" and thereby mimics Kirk's achievement as far as I am concerned. You don't wait for life to hand you a win. You take matters into your own hands and get the win.
This is the catch so to speak for beating the NWS. You must cheat aka form your own group and do it privately to have a chance to win. In other words, finally a end game event where it basically requires you to be social and dependent on others to win a battle. It's been long overdue for this game. I guarantee we will never see a random PUG in the NWS win. Ever. Unless it gets nerfed so people can feel better about themselves sucking.
Well from a certain point of view, having 5 dedicated players is cheating. Har har har.
I think the point being made is, you're not going to win going in guns blazing. The test is designed to slap you silly for thinking standard. One does not simply beat the NWS. One must out smart it. You do that by not grouping randomly via the public cues. This, from a certain point of view, is "cheating" and thereby mimics Kirk's achievement as far as I am concerned. You don't wait for life to hand you a win. You take matters into your own hands and get the win.
This is the catch so to speak for beating the NWS. You must cheat aka form your own group and do it privately to have a chance to win. In other words, finally a end game event where it basically requires you to be social and dependent on others to win a battle. It's been long overdue for this game. I guarantee we will never see a random PUG in the NWS win. Ever. Unless it gets nerfed so people can feel better about themselves sucking.
Lols erm I don't know if I'd go 'that' far with exploits. In canon terms a premade is like any captain choosing his officers, those he can work with and can do their job you don't just pick any random person.
That said some can say using an exploit is in the spiit of Kirk but in the real world passing on those exploits to anyone other than Cryptic is a no no and should be reported and then it's up to Cryptic to fix them. Also abusing them in pvp and ruining the experience for others I'll agree is wrong butat least in pve the damage is limited.
We beat it on KDF side, not bcs of some bug, this was a team effort, coordination, months of trial and error, and ofc luck. Also bcs KDF has a special item that feds don't have, improved our chances of success.
Aceton assimilators and plasmonic leech can help of course. That's definitely not a secret, kdfs have better ships for pve.
If you tell us you did it without the multiple commander bug then it's fine, why not, but i'm not sure you could do it with jem'hadars or breens.
I've started work on a stowiki guide, for now it's under my profile so feel free to post any questions or constructive feedback you have here so I don't end up making several revisions to the main page.
Lack of private queues is hurting our efforts on fed side. We've been up against Nausicaans and Jem'hadar, Breen, Fed even Fek'ihir. Most of the time we get to wave 10 without any problem but then wave 10 comes and for one reason or another we just don't quite make it. Perosnally I prefer Romulans even with their cloak.
Updated the above link to include strategy on dealing with each level, general tips and specific tips for level 10. Specific wording is still subject to change so if anyone has constructive feedback please post here.
I won't keep posting updates about my guide here either I'll update the fed thread or just make a new thread advertising the fully finished guide and channel stuff.
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Congrats dudes! What was your total Mark haul? I saw in that peice of log that you got 173 for beating Wave 10.
My character Tsin'xing
My character Tsin'xing
173 was just for wave 10. I don't have the total numbers unfortunately but we're accumulating fleet marks like crazy doing NWS.
My character Tsin'xing
Congrats!!! On a job well done.
If something broke the No Win Scenario making it trivial where are all the other people completing it?
I wouldn't be surprised if others, now seeing nws has been beaten, renewed their efforts and beat it. I've no idea when I'll work on a guide it's time that's the problem and I want to do it properly but I'll hope to have some time by the weekend at the latest.
Best I've managed is wave 6/7 I think, it's been a while. Not touching it until I have a fully fitted endgame ship.
Wave 7 is perhaps the most tricky (with exception to 10) because waves spawn North and East (shortly followed by a platform in the North and South) then once most/all ships are destroyed waves spawn South and West. Because of the subtle timing differences and especially no dreadnaught you can save it's not easy especially in the South where you're more likely to get the platform first then the ships warp in when it's probably easier to have it the other way around.
Although 9 is pretty simple and easy it's sometimes too easy and we've killed everything too quickly so most people's abilities are on cooldown for 10 (no dreadnaught to save) so preparing for the next wave is also a challenge.
Qa'pla! Congratulations!!
You should get the Order of the Bath'leth for such an accomplisment.
Many songs shall be sung about you and your comrades. Opera's may be made from the tales of your fight and families shall name thier Sons after you.
Much Honor is yours, Warrior.
R.I.P
http://tinyurl.com/nws-basic-guide
I've been told it's a detailed and comprehensive guide on what to expect for each wave (when viewed as a slideshow) and very helpful even as a reference.
I hope this is of some help to people while I write up a proper guide, run it by my teammates and publish it on stowiki.
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I think the point being made is, you're not going to win going in guns blazing. The test is designed to slap you silly for thinking standard. One does not simply beat the NWS. One must out smart it. You do that by not grouping randomly via the public cues. This, from a certain point of view, is "cheating" and thereby mimics Kirk's achievement as far as I am concerned. You don't wait for life to hand you a win. You take matters into your own hands and get the win.
This is the catch so to speak for beating the NWS. You must cheat aka form your own group and do it privately to have a chance to win. In other words, finally a end game event where it basically requires you to be social and dependent on others to win a battle. It's been long overdue for this game. I guarantee we will never see a random PUG in the NWS win. Ever. Unless it gets nerfed so people can feel better about themselves sucking.
I bet he was okay with the lady ones.
But wasn't you using P2W ships as well? You know, Fleet ships count too.
That must be true, Sulu and Chekov tried to hit on Vixis.
Lols erm I don't know if I'd go 'that' far with exploits. In canon terms a premade is like any captain choosing his officers, those he can work with and can do their job you don't just pick any random person.
That said some can say using an exploit is in the spiit of Kirk but in the real world passing on those exploits to anyone other than Cryptic is a no no and should be reported and then it's up to Cryptic to fix them. Also abusing them in pvp and ruining the experience for others I'll agree is wrong butat least in pve the damage is limited.
Again, grats all! :cool:
PS: thanks for the guide
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Aceton assimilators and plasmonic leech can help of course. That's definitely not a secret, kdfs have better ships for pve.
If you tell us you did it without the multiple commander bug then it's fine, why not, but i'm not sure you could do it with jem'hadars or breens.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
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Lack of private queues is hurting our efforts on fed side. We've been up against Nausicaans and Jem'hadar, Breen, Fed even Fek'ihir. Most of the time we get to wave 10 without any problem but then wave 10 comes and for one reason or another we just don't quite make it. Perosnally I prefer Romulans even with their cloak.
Recommended boff abilities
Example bridge officer/ship setups
Recommended Duty officers
I'll probably be tweaking the above more as there's a lot of variables and amendments to make but the main theme is there.
http://www.stowiki.org/User:V_Silverwings
Thank you for this!
I'm also late to the party, but gratz, all the way!
KDF NWS - check
FED NWS - check
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=484731
I won't keep posting updates about my guide here either I'll update the fed thread or just make a new thread advertising the fully finished guide and channel stuff.