I always found it kind of funny that Starfleet was able to assemble a fleet of modern, heavily-armed ships, while losing the Dominion War, when they couldn't assemble a decent fleet during peace time at Wolf 359.
I wish we knew more about the Typhon engagement and what happened while the Enterprise was dinking around at the Neutral Zone. The Cube took a lot of damage, and there's no way it could've gone from the Typhon expanse to Earth in such a short amount of time without using transwarp (It's an 8 day trip from Starbase 4 to Earth at Warp 9.99...), so I'm sure there's an interesting story there..
Thats what I said about the battle, it was a drawn out, long fight. It apparently took so long that the Enterprise-E arrive just in time from the Romulan Neutral Zone. The FC Cube was apparently detected early enough (By the DS9 right?) that the Defiant was able to join the Typhoon Task Force despite her LOW maximum warp speed (it's quite under Warp 9 isn't it?) before the Cube reached Earth. In the Dominion War, it was war so they had a lot of assembled task forces charged with protecting sectors so they could check any possible raid deep into the interior of UFP. And their shipyards were churning out ships like there was no tomorrow. Of course the breens managed to razed Earth before the Starfleet wiped them out.
The Wolf 359 fleet was hastily assembled, many starships still had a lot of civilians aboard! As I said it was the equivalent of being caught with your pants down for Starfleet.
It was Deep Space 5 that detected the FC cube and teh Defiant has some seriously overpowered engines. During her testing days, she was so powerful, her engines nearly ripped the ship to pieces just by going at maximum warp.
Before Wolf359, Starfleet hadn't really fought any long bloody wars. Sure, there were skirmishes, things like the Cardassian war, but they were obviously not as big as the Dominion war. It was still primarily a peaceful organisation.
Wolf 359 changed that. After that battle, Starfleet realised they needed to build warships specifically to defend them from this kind of thing happening again. That's why we started seeing things like Defiants, Promethius, Sovereigns, Akiras and so on. They stepped up production to create a defense. Shelby said they could get the fleet back up and running in 6 months. Considering how long it took to build the Enterprise-D, this clearly indicates they intended to change their starship construction policy. That's why we saw so many more ships in the Dominion war. In the intervening years, Starfleet just kept churning them out, like they were building tanks in Command and Conquer.
I too would like to see the full battle of the Typhon Task Force. Though the Borg had clearly changed their construction designs in teh intervening years as well. The FC cube was stated as having extensive damage to it's hull and that the targeted system 'does not appear to be critical'. The Wolf 359 cube had no critical systems to target. It had no centralised power structure, no bridge, no engine room, no weapons system. It could take 79% damage and still be fully operational. If that cube was in FC, it's possible the Typhon Task Force would have been wiped out as easily as the Wolf one was.
And yes, Mr Shatner did make the correct decision in getting that ending changed.
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The thing to note too (IMHO) is that the FC cube was not there to assault Earth directly. It's purpose was a delivery vehicle for the sphere. It did not have to withstand a sustained assault for an extended period of time. It just needed to last long enough to deliver it's package.
Also, Starfleet's ships and weaponry were greatly improved too in the time between Wolf 359 and FC.
The fate of the Enterprise A was never known and will never be much could be said about B.I would assume that the Enterprise A is at the sitting the Presidio.Starfleet wanted to retire this ship as they wanted to do with the one Kirk stold and destroyed.It is just the replacement as Starfleet wanted to to use it as a museum for all and what it has done and now Voyager sits beside it.
Yes, it was. Scotty mentioned that the old girl had been mothballed. A shame if you ask me. A ship like the Enterpise belongs in the fleet museum, not sitting idle in a shipyard.
Why does it say I'm an ensign?:mad: I'm a level 50 Vice Admiral in command of an Odyssey! I'm Tier 1 Omega Force. And if they are making a toy of the B, why not an explanation as to what happened to her?
Why does it say I'm an ensign?:mad: I'm a level 50 Vice Admiral in command of an Odyssey! I'm Tier 1 Omega Force. And if they are making a toy of the B, why not an explanation as to what happened to her?
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Yes, it was. Scotty mentioned that the old girl had been mothballed. A shame if you ask me. A ship like the Enterpise belongs in the fleet museum, not sitting idle in a shipyard.
That is what I said at the Presidio (sp) which is where Yoyager sits now.I am only going on conjucture here as to what was done in Generations and Relics.
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That is what I said at the Presidio (sp) which is where Yoyager sits now.I am only going on conjucture here as to what was done in Generations and Relics.
So mothballed equals museum? Not wasting away in a scrap yard?
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So mothballed equals museum? Not wasting away in a scrap yard?
Im in the Navy so this is my time to shine! lol
Ships only become museums if they are majorally historical, such as HMS Victory or HMS Britannia in the U.K.
Normally ships are scrapped and sold for money or the shells of the ships are sold on to other countries for a tidy sum.
It makes sense to; where do you think all the long term Miranda's in service get those specailised components from, Refits and Retrofits are only so good, there are alot of things you can't just replace before it all becomes a waste of resources and money... sorry E.C. lol
Hell the Enterprise-A's components were probally used on other ships for a good thirty years after she was De-Commissioned.
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When it all boils down to it, the Harriman part of the 'Generations' story suffered from 'James T. Kirk' syndrome. It happened numerous times in trek - three obvious examples:
STV: We were supposed to believe that Starfleet thought it better to field an almost inoperable Starship simply because Captain Kirk was in Command. We were therefore expected to believe that there were no other ships that could've dealt with it.
STVI: The Excelsior shows up during the battle between the Enterprise-A and General Chang's BOP, but they couldn't possibly have Sulu come to Kirk's rescue, and Kirk HAS to be the one to 'save the day' so we end up with Sulu saying "Now they've got something else to shoot at" and the Excelsior simply sitting there and getting shot at.
STVII: Kirk makes the modifications to the Enterprise-B deflector and saves the day. And were were supposed to ignore the fact that he wasn't an engineer and that the Enterprise-B had at least one officer aboard (Scotty) who could've done the job better and faster, not to mention that there MUST have been engineers in the ship's engineering section, which would be closer to the deflector control room than the bridge.
in STV: yes they fielded an aging ship, the mission involved was of a political hostage
situation not a ship to ship confrontation. therefor simply load the vessel with negotiators and assualt squads. doesnt require a top of the line cruiser for personnel transport.
STVI: no argument there, sulu was in command of the excel, federations newest design they should have had a sensors officer detect the bop since klingon cloaking is less effective than romulan models.
STVII: Ent-B was initially let out to do a lap around the solar system, since it was essentially intended to only be an impulse engines test. command had no need to equip it with even a proper skeleton crew or a decent weapons loadout, hence the tuesday jokes.(nevermind how in hell theres no fully equipped ships in the heart of federation space within range.) As for kirk i wanna know how in the frak did he reconfigure a deflector dish on an excel retrofit when (A) hes not an engineer. (B) hes been retired so hes fallen behind on official starfleet training. thats like telling a retired former captain of the real enterprise nuclear carrier to come onboard the new ford class..send it out to sea..get called for a rescue mission (with no coast gaurd on duty) then have a cascade series of technical failures go down and he offers to help get the reactor starting again..
Beacuse Deflector design is pretty straight foward and prob hasent changed much since the Enterprise A's time. Or Scotty told him what he needed to do, and any experienced officer would be knowlageable in basic starship design and operations.
Beacuse Deflector design is pretty straight foward and prob hasent changed much since the Enterprise A's time. Or Scotty told him what he needed to do, and any experienced officer would be knowlageable in basic starship design and operations.
So why didn't Scotty go and reconfigure it himself?
By the way, if you think those movie examples are bad, try reading Shatners novels. They're not too bad, but the Mary sue-ish levels Kirk gets raised to can be difficult to stomach. For example, he has to avenge Sarek's death (it turns out he was murdered) because he's a much better son than Spock was, due to them mind melding once when Kirk was a kid (apparently it's a logical Vulcan custom for sons to avenge their fathers)
So why didn't Scotty go and reconfigure it himself?
By the way, if you think those movie examples are bad, try reading Shatners novels. They're not too bad, but the Mary sue-ish levels Kirk gets raised to can be difficult to stomach. For example, he has to avenge Sarek's death (it turns out he was murdered) because he's a much better son than Spock was, due to them mind melding once when Kirk was a kid (apparently it's a logical Vulcan custom for sons to avenge their fathers)
Same reason Kirk didn't take the Captain's chair. He wanted to be useful, and not feel old anymore (the deleted skydiving scene explains this). He wanted Scotty to keep the ship together, since he was the most experienced Engineer there, and has command experience, so if something happened with the ribbon, Scotty could work out some fancy pants way to free the ship.
Which novels did that Sarek thing take place in? I've read the first 6, and don't remember any of that.
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The fate of the Enterprise A was never known and will never be much could be said about B.I would assume that the Enterprise A is at the sitting the Presidio.Starfleet wanted to retire this ship as they wanted to do with the one Kirk stold and destroyed.It is just the replacement as Starfleet wanted to to use it as a museum for all and what it has done and now Voyager sits beside it.
Actually, there is some expanded canon written by none other than William Shatner himself:
Both the book and the comic adaption tell the story of Kirk and his crew between ST VI and ST VII - and of course what happened to the Enterprise-A. In short: she gets destroyed in battle, defending a planet against an ambitious Starfleet traitor.
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The Wolf 359 fleet was hastily assembled, many starships still had a lot of civilians aboard! As I said it was the equivalent of being caught with your pants down for Starfleet.
Before Wolf359, Starfleet hadn't really fought any long bloody wars. Sure, there were skirmishes, things like the Cardassian war, but they were obviously not as big as the Dominion war. It was still primarily a peaceful organisation.
Wolf 359 changed that. After that battle, Starfleet realised they needed to build warships specifically to defend them from this kind of thing happening again. That's why we started seeing things like Defiants, Promethius, Sovereigns, Akiras and so on. They stepped up production to create a defense. Shelby said they could get the fleet back up and running in 6 months. Considering how long it took to build the Enterprise-D, this clearly indicates they intended to change their starship construction policy. That's why we saw so many more ships in the Dominion war. In the intervening years, Starfleet just kept churning them out, like they were building tanks in Command and Conquer.
I too would like to see the full battle of the Typhon Task Force. Though the Borg had clearly changed their construction designs in teh intervening years as well. The FC cube was stated as having extensive damage to it's hull and that the targeted system 'does not appear to be critical'. The Wolf 359 cube had no critical systems to target. It had no centralised power structure, no bridge, no engine room, no weapons system. It could take 79% damage and still be fully operational. If that cube was in FC, it's possible the Typhon Task Force would have been wiped out as easily as the Wolf one was.
And yes, Mr Shatner did make the correct decision in getting that ending changed.
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Also, Starfleet's ships and weaponry were greatly improved too in the time between Wolf 359 and FC.
Yes, it was. Scotty mentioned that the old girl had been mothballed. A shame if you ask me. A ship like the Enterpise belongs in the fleet museum, not sitting idle in a shipyard.
also the B'rel BOP.
They're also releasing Enterprise D.... and wait! the All Good Things Enterprise D is COMING BACK?!
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So mothballed equals museum? Not wasting away in a scrap yard?
Im in the Navy so this is my time to shine! lol
Ships only become museums if they are majorally historical, such as HMS Victory or HMS Britannia in the U.K.
Normally ships are scrapped and sold for money or the shells of the ships are sold on to other countries for a tidy sum.
It makes sense to; where do you think all the long term Miranda's in service get those specailised components from, Refits and Retrofits are only so good, there are alot of things you can't just replace before it all becomes a waste of resources and money... sorry E.C. lol
Hell the Enterprise-A's components were probally used on other ships for a good thirty years after she was De-Commissioned.
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in STV: yes they fielded an aging ship, the mission involved was of a political hostage
situation not a ship to ship confrontation. therefor simply load the vessel with negotiators and assualt squads. doesnt require a top of the line cruiser for personnel transport.
STVI: no argument there, sulu was in command of the excel, federations newest design they should have had a sensors officer detect the bop since klingon cloaking is less effective than romulan models.
STVII: Ent-B was initially let out to do a lap around the solar system, since it was essentially intended to only be an impulse engines test. command had no need to equip it with even a proper skeleton crew or a decent weapons loadout, hence the tuesday jokes.(nevermind how in hell theres no fully equipped ships in the heart of federation space within range.) As for kirk i wanna know how in the frak did he reconfigure a deflector dish on an excel retrofit when (A) hes not an engineer. (B) hes been retired so hes fallen behind on official starfleet training. thats like telling a retired former captain of the real enterprise nuclear carrier to come onboard the new ford class..send it out to sea..get called for a rescue mission (with no coast gaurd on duty) then have a cascade series of technical failures go down and he offers to help get the reactor starting again..
So why didn't Scotty go and reconfigure it himself?
By the way, if you think those movie examples are bad, try reading Shatners novels. They're not too bad, but the Mary sue-ish levels Kirk gets raised to can be difficult to stomach. For example, he has to avenge Sarek's death (it turns out he was murdered) because he's a much better son than Spock was, due to them mind melding once when Kirk was a kid (apparently it's a logical Vulcan custom for sons to avenge their fathers)
Same reason Kirk didn't take the Captain's chair. He wanted to be useful, and not feel old anymore (the deleted skydiving scene explains this). He wanted Scotty to keep the ship together, since he was the most experienced Engineer there, and has command experience, so if something happened with the ribbon, Scotty could work out some fancy pants way to free the ship.
Which novels did that Sarek thing take place in? I've read the first 6, and don't remember any of that.
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Ashes_of_Eden
Both the book and the comic adaption tell the story of Kirk and his crew between ST VI and ST VII - and of course what happened to the Enterprise-A. In short: she gets destroyed in battle, defending a planet against an ambitious Starfleet traitor.
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