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jcp26jcp26 Member Posts: 177 Arc User
According to the lore, the Enterprise B disappeared while on assignment. It's been a long time since they have introduced a new mission. How about one about the Enterprise B. We've got Tholians, Time Ships, Borg Temporal Portals, and solar systems that are designated for time travel. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to investigate what happened to the B.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Anything regarding the B outside of Generations in non-canon, so I doubt this could be done. Something involving the Nexus would be sweet.

    How about a mission which places you in the Nexus with a T5 starbase, rep and embassy, LTS, infinite zen and dil and anything else you could possibly want... but you are doomed to spend the entire time there on your own.
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  • areikou#8990 areikou Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I don't see why not. The Enterprise-B is a canon ship, her fate was never explained. Unlike the Enterprise A, C, and D. It would be interesting to suddenly find yourself looking for a long lost Enterprise.

    Though by now, she would either A) Have a crew displaced in time, like the Enterprise-C, or B) Be a generational ship and the original crew's great great grandchildren would be manning the helm.

    I also find this idea extremely intriguing as I loved the Enterprise-B when she was first introduced. She may be an Excelsior, but for some reason she doesn't look like the same fat flying pig that is Excelsior.
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  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Or C) She's abandoned, drifting in space.


    And the mission involves finding out what happened to her.



    I'm up for more adventures of the Ent-B.
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  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    It would be interesting to see what happened to it. Maybe if they ever do an Excelsior bridge or something they could release a special featured episode.
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  • quintarisquintaris Member Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Maybe the Ent-B accidentally opened a black hole after test firing new Neutron-S missiles that had been sabotaged, and it got pulled in. It could happen.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Let's find out what happened to th E was she retired and scarpered:(
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  • skipenguinskipenguin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Coincidentally, I have some of the same questions as other people. I've been working on a Foundry mission about the Ent-B's fate. :-) It will be my first foundry mission and somewhat ambitious.

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  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Let's find out what happened to th E was she retired and scarpered:(


    I believe after encountering 8472 singularities and an adventure in fluidic space, she was critically damaged but Data managed to get her back home safely, where she was retired.
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  • deianirrahdeianirrah Member Posts: 236 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Just linking from Memory Alpha here as it might provide some source of inspiration:

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-B)

    and from Memory Beta:

    "The ship's last commander was Captain Thomas Johnson Jr. who took command in the early 2320s. The ship's assignment under Johnson was patrol of the Cardassian border. The ship was therefore able to render assistance to Bajoran refugees in 2328 when Cardassia annexed Bajor. The following year the ship was lost in deep space shortly after the crew contracted some unknown infection. (ST reference: USS Enterprise Owners' Workshop Manual)
    Note: that FASA RPGmodule: Star Trek: The Next Generation Officer's Manual has a different account of the 1701-B's demise. According the RPG Sourcebook, on reference stardate 2/9208.12, the Enterprise-B engaged two hostile battleships, a Klingon L24-class and a Romulan Z1-class, in the Triangle sector, about five parsecs from the space of the Imperial Klingon States. Both vessels were defeated, but the Enterprise was also lost with critical battle damage. The upshot of the encounter was the end of IKS activity in the area, as the rebel government could not afford to lose any more capital ships after two large scale vessels were claimed by the Enterprise battle."

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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I remember a while back (think it was in one of the Ask Cryptic) Dstahl said he would like to finish the story of the Enterprise-B and explain what happened to her.

    Don't recall him revisiting that idea since, but be nice if that was fleshed out.
  • thisisoverlordthisisoverlord Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I remember a while back (think it was in one of the Ask Cryptic) Dstahl said he would like to finish the story of the Enterprise-B and explain what happened to her.

    Don't recall him revisiting that idea since, but be nice if that was fleshed out.

    I smell a foundry story.... can we use ST:II era uniforms in the Foundry?
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2012
    I smell a foundry story.... can we use ST:II era uniforms in the Foundry?

    Yes, one of the few in there.
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  • thisisoverlordthisisoverlord Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    artan42 wrote: »
    Yes, one of the few in there.

    Hmm interesting but I doubt it would be published because it might infringe on IP or something if we were to take off from immediatly after Generations.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I smell a foundry story.... can we use ST:II era uniforms in the Foundry?

    They are still available.

    And yes, definitely can make a Foundry story. In fact, I seem to recall one or two already available. So perhaps Cryptic could turn it into a contest and the best one gets chosen?
  • tancrediivtancrediiv Member Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    grylak wrote: »
    I believe after encountering 8472 singularities and an adventure in fluidic space, she was critically damaged but Data managed to get her back home safely, where she was retired.

    Subsequently retired due to "critical battle" damage. ROFL

    How many times was the TOS Connie critically damaged? How many time have our in game ships been critically damaged or destroyed. Most of us should be acquiring a whole new alphabet to designate our ships.

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  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tancrediiv wrote: »
    How many times was the TOS Connie critically damaged?

    In the series... never that I recall. No serious compromises to the hull, no total failure of any key system. From a narrative perspective, they couldn't afford to. They couldn't afford to show the damage on the ship, so it was never really hurt that bad. Nothing Scotty couldn't at least field patch until they reached a starbase.

    In the movies, the original was critically damaged against Khan, and limped home. If I remember right, they were going to mothball it after that, except Kirk and co. stole it to go after Spock and subsequently blew it up.

    The Enterprise-A wasn't really damaged in V, the main conflict there was on the ground. In VI it got wrecked pretty good, hold punched right through the saucer. It's not clear how compromised it really was though, it seemed to be running better than its predecessor was after Khan got through with it. Regardless, it had been established at the beginning of the film that it was scheduled for deactivation.

    As for the Enterprise-E, it was a brand new ship at the time of First Contact, and still pretty new at the time of Nemesis. It made sense to repair it, even considering the massive damage to the structure of the saucer. By the early 2400's, she would've been pushing 30. If damaged as badly as in Nemesis, Starfleet might have just found it more cost effective to scuttle her and commission a new Enterprise.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Quite simple, the fate of the Enterprise NCC 1701-B was due to an incompetent Captain.

    Basically they all perished due to stupidity.

    In early drafts of Star Trek Generations and various merchandise released before the movie, the commanding officer of the Enterprise-B was called "Harry Johnson". In the Star Trek: The Next Generation Interactive Technical Manual, the computer refers to him as "James Harriman." - Memory Alpha

    John Harriman was a Starfleet officer and captain of the Excelsior-class USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B.

    Funny how almost every single Enterprise without a Kirk at the helm suffers a horrible demise. However; in this case, the demise of the Enterprise B was the result of an incompetent Captain.

    There goes the TITANIC NCC 1701-B
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    stark2k wrote: »
    Quite simple, the fate of the Enterprise NCC 1701-B was due to an incompetent Captain.

    Basically they all perished due to stupidity.

    In early drafts of Star Trek Generations and various merchandise released before the movie, the commanding officer of the Enterprise-B was called "Harry Johnson". In the Star Trek: The Next Generation Interactive Technical Manual, the computer refers to him as "James Harriman." - Memory Alpha

    John Harriman was a Starfleet officer and captain of the Excelsior-class USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B.

    Funny how almost every single Enterprise without a Kirk at the helm suffers a horrible demise. However; in this case, the demise of the Enterprise B was the result of an incompetent Captain.

    Also of note: The Enterprise B was still very much in one piece when he stepped down. His first officer was promoted to captain and given the reins of the ship.

    There goes the TITANIC NCC 1701-B

    I know the Star Trek books aren't canon but, have you read any? There is a good one called Serpents Among the Ruins . It details the events of the Tomed Incident that sent the Romulan Empire into isolationism prior to re-emerging in TNG. It takes place as Captain Harriman's career is winding down. By then he had become a quite capable and well respected captain. The events in Generations just seems to be an inexperienced captain with and inexperienced crew manning an ill equiped vessel. It really paints a bad picture for the character but, they had to keep James T Kirk looking good didn't they?
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    reyan01 wrote: »
    STV: We were supposed to believe that Starfleet thought it better to field an almost inoperable Starship simply because Captain Kirk was in Command. We were therefore expected to believe that there were no other ships that could've dealt with it.

    This has long been a pet peeve of mine in ST - whenever there's a grave danger, the Enterprise is the only ship in range - sloppy writing pure and simple - it also gives the impression that Starfleet has maybe 5 ships in service at any one time (and none in Earth orbit?) - even the battle of Wolf 359 was pitiful - gravest danger Earth has ever faced and the most they could come up with is 40 ships including mothballed Mirandas and Consitutions?
    reyan01 wrote: »
    STVI: The Excelsior shows up during the battle between the Enterprise-A and General Chang's BOP, but they couldn't possibly have Sulu come to Kirk's rescue, and Kirk HAS to be the one to 'save the day' so we end up with Sulu saying "Now they've got something else to shoot at" and the Excelsior simply sitting there and getting shot at.

    This I disagree with - since Chang's B'rel was cloaked, Kirk wasn't able to do any more than Sulu was until they fired the emission-seeking torpedo - besides, Sulu's 'target that explosion and fire!' was easily one of the best lines in the movie :)
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    STVII: Kirk makes the modifications to the Enterprise-B deflector and saves the day. And were were supposed to ignore the fact that he wasn't an engineer and that the Enterprise-B had at least one officer aboard (Scotty) who could've done the job better and faster, not to mention that there MUST have been engineers in the ship's engineering section, which would be closer to the deflector control room than the bridge.

    Not so implausible - Kirk was seen performing repairs and other engineering tasks throughout TOS (read the entry on Memory Alpha) - and paunchy as Kirk was in his twilight years, I don't think Scotty would've been able to slide down ladders ;) Also, the Ent-B was on a publicity run - Pluto and back - we've already seen (ST III) that Starfleet vessels can run almost fully automated, it's not unfeasible that there was little-to-no engineering crew.
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  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    This I disagree with - since Chang's B'rel was cloaked, Kirk wasn't able to do any more than Sulu was until they fired the emission-seeking torpedo - besides, Sulu's 'target that explosion and fire!' was easily one of the best lines in the movie :)


    Originally, Excelsior was meant to fire the emission torpedo, which is why they mentioned at the start of the film they were the ones with that gear onboard. From what I hear, Mr Shatner objected to having Kirk being saved by someone else, and thus the switch and continuity..... fudge of both ships having that gear (not a full error, since it is possible both ships had the gear for the same mission).
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  • alexhurlbutalexhurlbut Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    - even the battle of Wolf 359 was pitiful - gravest danger Earth has ever faced and the most they could come up with is 40 ships including mothballed Mirandas and Consitutions?
    That "task force" was assembled very hastily. That is those Fourty ships were the only ones in the range to engage the Cube at the time. Of course after that, Starfleet took it serious and in FC they even assembled a larger group of better armed ships and still got their combined rears handed to them (even the Cube's death throes just added insult to injury as the explosion took out even more ships)
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    In the books and comics, some of those vessels were advanced prototypes like the Melbourne and Hansen's ship was a Galaxy.

    Despite the Canon vs Story idea, I would love for STO to continue the E-B's trek. Just like it did to Data, the Luna Class (Non-canon), the Vesta class (non-canon), and the USS Fleming (which was a nod to the Countdown comic).
  • jcp26jcp26 Member Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    That "task force" was assembled very hastily. That is those Fourty ships were the only ones in the range to engage the Cube at the time. Of course after that, Starfleet took it serious and in FC they even assembled a larger group of better armed ships and still got their combined rears handed to them (even the Cube's death throes just added insult to injury as the explosion took out even more ships)

    Picard was the only person with intimate knowledge of the Borg. The only officer to ever be assimilated into the Collective and retrieved. This would allow him to know exactly where to fire in order to quickly destroy the cube. Remember, Data says that the proposed targets do not appear to be of critical importance. It's the same thing with Tribble of Borg. Being in the Collective even for a short time provides the knowledge necessary to destroy the Borg. That wasn't the Enterprise riding in to save the day. That was Picard using the Collective's own knowledge against them. Seven did the same thing on several occasions.
  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    That "task force" was assembled very hastily. That is those Fourty ships were the only ones in the range to engage the Cube at the time. Of course after that, Starfleet took it serious and in FC they even assembled a larger group of better armed ships and still got their combined rears handed to them (even the Cube's death throes just added insult to injury as the explosion took out even more ships)

    And we the same sort of thing on Voyager "Endgame" when Starfleet detects the opening of a Borg transwarp conduit less then 1 light year away from Earth. Admiral Paris order all available ships to converge on that area.
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    grylak wrote: »
    Originally, Excelsior was meant to fire the emission torpedo, which is why they mentioned at the start of the film they were the ones with that gear onboard. From what I hear, Mr Shatner objected to having Kirk being saved by someone else, and thus the switch and continuity..... fudge of both ships having that gear (not a full error, since it is possible both ships had the gear for the same mission).

    Pretty sensible suggestion from Shatner if you ask me - or would you rather have had some ensign-no-name come up with the idea and spend 5 minutes doctoring a torpedo whilst Uhura, Spock, McCoy and Kirk sit around doing nothing? :D

    There's no way those scenes could have worked from Sulu/Excelsior's perspective...
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  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    That "task force" was assembled very hastily. That is those Fourty ships were the only ones in the range to engage the Cube at the time. Of course after that, Starfleet took it serious and in FC they even assembled a larger group of better armed ships and still got their combined rears handed to them (even the Cube's death throes just added insult to injury as the explosion took out even more ships)

    My issue is that Earth - the heart of the Federation only had a rag-tag fleet of ships nearby to defend it - that just seems dumb to me. With a threat like the Borg, the whole of the UFP should've been in on that battle - obviously there were budgetary restrictions for the show that made truly epic space battles impractical but that's why I see it as sloppy writing - you write around what you can do well.
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  • alexhurlbutalexhurlbut Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    My issue is that Earth - the heart of the Federation only had a rag-tag fleet of ships nearby to defend it - that just seems dumb to me. With a threat like the Borg, the whole of the UFP should've been in on that battle - obviously there were budgetary restrictions for the show that made truly epic space battles impractical but that's why I see it as sloppy writing - you write around what you can do well.
    In context, the Borg was sort of a bogeyman for the UFP, nothing solid except what Enterprise D encountered. And it was implied it would be years before the Borg would reach the very edge of the Federation Space. Starfleet had other enemies to keep task on; Romulan, Klingon, Cardassia, and other minor but troublesome powers. Wolf 359 and with ease that the Cube penetrated all the way to Earth showed that Starfleet was caught with its pants down (Keeping in mind that a Starfleet Captain was captured and assimilated with all the knowledge and secrets the Starfleet had before Wolf 359).

    Starfleet was far better prepared and took advance warnings seriously (enough time to put together the Typhoon Sector Task Force), still the Second Borg Battle was a long, brutal, and draw out fight for the UFP. The second cube (smaller than Wolf 359 Cube) managed to reach Earth albeit with extensive exterior damage.
  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I don't see why not. The Enterprise-B is a canon ship, her fate was never explained. Unlike the Enterprise A
    The fate of the Enterprise A was never known and will never be much could be said about B.I would assume that the Enterprise A is at the sitting the Presidio.Starfleet wanted to retire this ship as they wanted to do with the one Kirk stold and destroyed.It is just the replacement as Starfleet wanted to to use it as a museum for all and what it has done and now Voyager sits beside it.
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  • timpantstimpants Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    My issue is that Earth - the heart of the Federation only had a rag-tag fleet of ships nearby to defend it - that just seems dumb to me. With a threat like the Borg, the whole of the UFP should've been in on that battle - obviously there were budgetary restrictions for the show that made truly epic space battles impractical but that's why I see it as sloppy writing - you write around what you can do well.

    It can make some sense storywise, in 2367 (when wolf 359 was fought) the truce with Cardassia was also signed - perhaps most of their fighting ships were still at the Fed-Cardassia border and could not make it to Earth in time
  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I always found it kind of funny that Starfleet was able to assemble a fleet of modern, heavily-armed ships, while losing the Dominion War, when they couldn't assemble a decent fleet during peace time at Wolf 359.

    I wish we knew more about the Typhon engagement and what happened while the Enterprise was dinking around at the Neutral Zone. The Cube took a lot of damage, and there's no way it could've gone from the Typhon expanse to Earth in such a short amount of time without using transwarp (It's an 8 day trip from Starbase 4 to Earth at Warp 9.99...), so I'm sure there's an interesting story there..
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