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upyournacelles2
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Posted this in another thread, but it was so long and quite a bit different than what horizon wanted to discuss, I decided to move it over here instead:
The idea of an accord for the good of pvp "fun" factor goes is a rear idea, but as previously stated, it's hard to enforce. If and when it comes to fruition, what do you do about the people that don't want to live by this code? Perhaps it's time to take another giant leap forward in putting our egos aside for the betterment of pvp? It's a radical idea, but if the community truly came together and put aside our differences and egos, here's an idea that could work.
Take the number of serious pvp players that want to make a change not only for the fun of pvp for themselves, but for the betterment of the entire game. Start an organization, perhaps called something like "players accord" or something. Get a neutral party to then start a fleet and a chat channel with the same name as the organization. Everyone that signs up for the fleet gets access to the channel, and everyone in the fleet has an equal vote as to rules set on p2w, broken abilities, and so on. This "accord" that players got on and agree to obey is obeyed within the fleet or else the player is warned and the final offense is being kicked out of the fleet and the chat channel. (Obviously the set of rules, warnings, etc would have to be worked put by the accord voting on them).
The strength of this idea comes from the amount of players that join and want to make a difference. Once it's up and running, the accord can then start having private matches among themselves that are nice clean matches. No preset rules need to be set up with long amounts of time to change out builds to accommodate the rules because everyone within the accord is already following the accords guidelines. The magic happens when there's enough players in the accord l to not have to queue up anymore be wise they can just run accord private matches instead and get a clean higher skill level match. Once this starts to happen, the players left in the regular queues will hopefully get bored of slow queue times due to lack of players and join the accord.
This will also make the queues a little more fun for newer players coming into pvp since a lot of the better players will hopefully be in private matches. If they're getting facerolled by the holdouts that don't want to give up their cheese, they can be directed to the "accords" website (I'm jumping ahead here a bit) to see what the accords about and to join.
Problems I see:
1: EGO. Most E1 wants to represent their fleet. Maybe it's time we move past it? It would be dumb to completely abandon your fleet and its base progress, so leaving toons in it would be encouraged. You just can't participate in accord matches with that toon. This is an important rule to strengthen the accords numbers. The more toons the accord has, the stronger the organization becomes.
Also the rule set. A large group of people will never 100% agree. This is why a voting process with everyone having an equal way is so important. The problem with ego is some may leave the accord if they don't get their way. Some people just can not comprise for the bigger picture. It's just the way it is
2: who starts it? The community will have to find a dedicated person level headed person. This person will have admin rights, but will have no more say in voting than anyone else. They are the only ones who can punish anyone within the group unless the accord feels like he needs someone to help once the organization becomes large enough.
3. It will only succeed on the work of its members. The most important thing for it to work will be running private matches over queues as much as possible. We need to keep the queues as empty as possible to get more players to join. Personally, I'll take a 3v3 provate match over a pugstomp match in the queues any day.
I know this is kind of a stretch of an idea, but it would show that we as a community could come together and make this world (of Sto) a better place. Ideas?
The idea of an accord for the good of pvp "fun" factor goes is a rear idea, but as previously stated, it's hard to enforce. If and when it comes to fruition, what do you do about the people that don't want to live by this code? Perhaps it's time to take another giant leap forward in putting our egos aside for the betterment of pvp? It's a radical idea, but if the community truly came together and put aside our differences and egos, here's an idea that could work.
Take the number of serious pvp players that want to make a change not only for the fun of pvp for themselves, but for the betterment of the entire game. Start an organization, perhaps called something like "players accord" or something. Get a neutral party to then start a fleet and a chat channel with the same name as the organization. Everyone that signs up for the fleet gets access to the channel, and everyone in the fleet has an equal vote as to rules set on p2w, broken abilities, and so on. This "accord" that players got on and agree to obey is obeyed within the fleet or else the player is warned and the final offense is being kicked out of the fleet and the chat channel. (Obviously the set of rules, warnings, etc would have to be worked put by the accord voting on them).
The strength of this idea comes from the amount of players that join and want to make a difference. Once it's up and running, the accord can then start having private matches among themselves that are nice clean matches. No preset rules need to be set up with long amounts of time to change out builds to accommodate the rules because everyone within the accord is already following the accords guidelines. The magic happens when there's enough players in the accord l to not have to queue up anymore be wise they can just run accord private matches instead and get a clean higher skill level match. Once this starts to happen, the players left in the regular queues will hopefully get bored of slow queue times due to lack of players and join the accord.
This will also make the queues a little more fun for newer players coming into pvp since a lot of the better players will hopefully be in private matches. If they're getting facerolled by the holdouts that don't want to give up their cheese, they can be directed to the "accords" website (I'm jumping ahead here a bit) to see what the accords about and to join.
Problems I see:
1: EGO. Most E1 wants to represent their fleet. Maybe it's time we move past it? It would be dumb to completely abandon your fleet and its base progress, so leaving toons in it would be encouraged. You just can't participate in accord matches with that toon. This is an important rule to strengthen the accords numbers. The more toons the accord has, the stronger the organization becomes.
Also the rule set. A large group of people will never 100% agree. This is why a voting process with everyone having an equal way is so important. The problem with ego is some may leave the accord if they don't get their way. Some people just can not comprise for the bigger picture. It's just the way it is
2: who starts it? The community will have to find a dedicated person level headed person. This person will have admin rights, but will have no more say in voting than anyone else. They are the only ones who can punish anyone within the group unless the accord feels like he needs someone to help once the organization becomes large enough.
3. It will only succeed on the work of its members. The most important thing for it to work will be running private matches over queues as much as possible. We need to keep the queues as empty as possible to get more players to join. Personally, I'll take a 3v3 provate match over a pugstomp match in the queues any day.
I know this is kind of a stretch of an idea, but it would show that we as a community could come together and make this world (of Sto) a better place. Ideas?
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Governing bodies will not work. As power struggles will rise. And rank come into play.
Influence the community through your own actions and words.
Voting has proven to fail at almost every turn in the history of governing bodies. It brings in the risk of the uniformed masses making decisions for the whole.
Edit: and history has taught us that the persons in power of such organizations have a tndancy to use that power to divisive means.
This is Star Trek.
Be an individual. Stand for yourself. Prove yourself. It will prove beneficial to the situation as a whole. And has been proven to work throughout history.
How many times have i run with x for months, until a silent patch made me change my builds, since it now became blantently OP, broken ...
We as players can not compensate cryptics fail, as much as i would love to.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
Sure we can and many do... with every respec bought - they're compensated.
A play on words perhaps, but given how often it happens and how much it costs to respec - hard not to put two and two together...
+1 this
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Just because you are part of something that's bigger than yourself doesn't mean you can be an individual, stand for yourself (different than "by yourself"), and that you can't prove yourself. How many different organizations throughout history has had stars rise from the ranks. Whether in sports, government, or a fleet/guild
edit: also, in the world of star trek everyone has every option to them to maximize thier abilities.
that is not so in this game.
Voting=bad
I'll take you and tal's votes on the subject into consideration
but with so many differering opinions.....we will just get divided.
kind of like the USA right now. half wants a socialist agenda, half wants an individualistic agenda.
i want to let morals and dedication to good games guide us.
Create an environment whereby the devs feel safe to log on to vent / TS and discuss in a civilised manner what changes can make the biggest difference in a positive manner.
I admit I sometimes was counter productive, but I always want the best for the game even though I have gone AWOL.
Only takes 1 to ruin it and a major forum battle will occur. Not worth the battle
Like I said, it's a stretch, and I know it. Cryptic really has left us with little hope though. Pipe dreams are about all we have left.
As far as devs go for pvp, we have had devs in the past and the last one WAS on TS. How much change did we see? Now we have bort who started out strong, but season 7's Been out for awhile now, and besides him encouraging us to enjoy voldy, what has changed lately? I seem to remember him agreeing with me that every ability should have a counter, so they were going to get a counter worked out for the temporal set time freeze. Whats the progress on that? Wasn't the excuse of how busy they were to release s7 thrown around a lot a month ago? So what are they working on now exactly?
I guess I'd like to think that we as a community can stretch ourselves to create the type of environment we'd like to see. I hate just throwing our hands up and saying "nothing we can do". An outsider looking in on an idea such as this would probably say, "it's a bunch of gamers, what do you expect?" I know this community though, and I DO expect more from this community than most other games because of how unique this community is compared to most games. To say we don't have the ability as a group to make a change means our voices mean nothing. I refuse to believe that. Of course cryptic can do a better job, but so can we.
/Disclaimer
Sorry for the rant. This was all brought on by horizons post. My first reaction was "this has never worked before, why would it work now?" Then I got kinda pissed off and thought "why the hell should we need an accord anyway. If cryptic would just do their jobs...". It then turned into "we'll there obviously not going to do their jobs, and why the hell couldn't we make things nicer for ourselves? This community has some great kinds in it. Some truly brilliant people. If this community couldn't pull it off, could any in the gaming industry do it? Is this a stereotype that fits this industry?"
/end disclaimer
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This myth you refer to will always lurk in the shadows until the time comes when the rest of us shall resurrect ourselves
With the Azn grind now firmly in place that time will never come my friend :P
When do we allmeet up to take the ring to Mordor? I hear that's going to be a problem at some point...
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Hehe, fantastic.
one does not simple ride a giant eagle into mordor....
that would make for a very short movie.
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