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antlen69
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this will resolve a lot of problems right there....
some peepz rather play fed, others rather play kdf
how hard can this be ?
if cryptic makes this cross faction it ends a lot of whining and crying too...
about imbalance and whatever
and more peepz will be attracted to pvp as well
and plz do something about the afk ers!
and throw some random drops in it...
fish wont come to the edge if u dont feed them
edit: and yeah sure i know this isnt the first request but what the hell? why is it taking so long ?
some peepz rather play fed, others rather play kdf
how hard can this be ?
if cryptic makes this cross faction it ends a lot of whining and crying too...
about imbalance and whatever
and more peepz will be attracted to pvp as well
and plz do something about the afk ers!
and throw some random drops in it...
fish wont come to the edge if u dont feed them
edit: and yeah sure i know this isnt the first request but what the hell? why is it taking so long ?
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Ever notice what the KvK queues look like?
Ever notice what the FvF queues look like compared to the FvK queues?
FKvFK... yeah, that would be a good way to kill it off. Put it out of its misery...
...they might want to take a look at resolving issues first, eh?
Resolving issues? Klingons will NEVER have the same or bigger population than feds. NEVER. PVP will NEVER have the same population than PVE. Not in this game.
Even if Klings will get lvl1 missions. Even if they will have as much content. Look at WoW. Until the Bloodelfs the hordes had only 1/3 of the total population. AND they had the same content from the beginning.
So FvK will always have longer queues than FvF. So pulling it out of its misery would be the best choice.
It's not a case that there are folks in the KvK queue, but not enough for it to pop. It's zero. On the other hand, the KvF queues, it generally a case of waiting for enough Feds to bite.
I haven't looked in the past couple of days on my active KDF guy, though. With many things, things are definitely subject to change in STO. It also depends on what time of day it is, etc, etc, etc.
There's little doubt that one could find a good KvK or FvK private match (er, well, you know) - but the gamble's just too high to public/PUG either FvK or KvK.
The FvK queues are not long from a lack of KDF. C'mon...lol. They're long because the FvF queues are not.
Between the actual issues and the imagined issues that many Feds have... they're reluctant to queue FvK.
Much like FvF is "wargames" - practice... the FKvFK queues were to be the same. They're fighting together against each other - to test their skills to better fight the common enemy and all that peacenik jazz.
edit: Lol, yeah - here's a link to the post they were referencing: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=270226
Back in May 2012...from Goz.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
The waiting time to top FvK is too long, that's why most people don't queue FvK.
And because of that, the queues are getting longer and thats why Feds don't queue FvK ...
You see the problem?
:P
Even in WoW with all the millions and millions of players the alliance had to wait for the horde xD Before the merged the servers for the instance and pvp queues.
Has anyone numbers concerning active players in STO?
This varied a great deal from server to server.
Even when they did the battlegroups initially - it varied from group to group and from time to time within those groups.
RIFT did the same thing - many games have done that. They repeat the two faction mistake (no, I'm not some **** nutjob - I despise the fake PvP in ****).
Faction imbalance can obviously be a concern - and in regard to KvK queues, one could make a decent argument that's the case. However, that would not explain the FvK queues. A smaller population of KDF should have no problem finding a match against that larger population of Feds...as long as the Feds queue FvK. They don't.
11 AM Eastern's a bad time to check the queues, I'll check later this evening. As it stands, there's only one KDF guy in the queues... and he's only in the FvK Arena (Space) queue. He didn't click for KvK Arena...though. 100% non-participation. :P
edit: Lol, they filter Dark Age of Camelot? Trippy... that's something I can get behind though - wish more forums did that.
And the empty FvK queues are a self-fulfilling prophecy .
And don't forget how few Klingons are out there. DStahl said something like 16% of the total playerbase have a Klingon char. Or an active Klingon. Now even considering that kling players are more inclined to do pvp than fed players means that you have very few Klingon pvp'lers.
If you are in a unlucky timezone , well forget the FvK queues.
It's sad but Cryptic can't change that. Even with more content for the Klingons.
Most StarTrek fans will be happy enough having a Federation char named Kirc/Pikard flying in a Galaxy class named Enderprise :P
second its not about removing fvk fvf kvk etc etc
its about adding a queue 5v5 or 3v3 for mixed teams
for now the only thing whats in this whole freakin game what even gets close to the so called war between fed and kdf is kerrat
and even that has a missions that points more towards borg than the so called war itself
Have to unlock.
Limited content.
Harder to level.
Little ship customization.
C-Storeshipalooza.
Etc, etc, etc...
...and yes, the "typical" Star Trek fan followed the Federation and Starfleet.
The KDF are just...incomplete.
It still boggles the mind that folks want Cryptic to do a Romulan faction - given what a poor job was done with the Klingons...meh.
I may be biased, but I swear I had a much easier time finding both KvK and FvK queues before the console changes earlier in the year.
Still, in the end - making a FKvFK queue might only resolve a queue wait issue - if all other issues are ignored.
It's along the lines of saying the fix for the Feds having X console is to give the KDF that console and the fix for the KDF having Y console is to give the Feds that console... er... they did that - did it work?
I mean, c'mon - picture it...
You have KDF complaining about ADR spam.
You have Feds complaining about ASD/AA spam.
The fix for that is to allow mixed teams bringing ADR and ASD/AA spam?
Er...
What about the Starbase missions?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
It's an unfortunate aspect of themepark MMOs. Player A can "exist" on Tuesday while Player B "exists" on Friday...at the same time.
The "story" works toward peace - the KDF and Starfleet working together against a common foe.
Kind of like you spend earlier parts of the "story" fighting the Romulans and Remans - then you're helping the Remans against the Romulans - and - tada, you're there as the KDF and Starfleet are working together to help the Romulans and Remans.
Hell, even early on as a Fed - you're working with the KDF against other the Undine and even other KDF.
The "so called war" - well, exists on Tuesday but not on Friday.
most all p2w consoles are allready crossfaction,
people will always cry about something anyway..
i think its a good start to make it cross faction it will open a lot of possibilities
btw hard to lvl up a kdf toon? while u can do it in like 5 or 6 hours of mirror events? how is that hard?
When there were 3 ME's a day and enough KDF on to do them - yep, it was a pretty nifty way to level fast. Now that they're once a day (and often at weird times) - not so much.
There are always enough Feds on so as not to have to wait for anything. All of the patrol missions (3 to level) - enough content missions to wham, bam, ding - etc, etc, etc - it's a Hell of a lot easier to level on a Fed than a KDF.
I can 1-50 a Fed faster than I can 20-50 a KDF...noticeably faster.
Course, on the flipside of that - I can farm Dil much faster on a KDF than a Fed.
Again...
ASD/AA/ADR teams - with all the crossfaction consoles and the non-cross.
How would that be fun?
I really hope that Cryptic doesn't do a third faction. That would be another disaster and more wasted resources which could have been spend on improving story telling for both existing factions. (And no, I don't think that the Federation is well developped).
PvP can only drive if it gets more support from Cryptic.
A daily PVP hour where you get double XP, fleet marks etc,
matchmaking,
balancing (that's a point where cryptic tried to do in the last patches)
PVP Reputation system?,
tournaments,
advertise it on the main page.
The same for Klingon faction.
Something like "play today your klingon and get a free doff". Or some Fleetmarks.
Even a regular blogpost like the 101 Dilithium just for Klingons would help.
101 Klingonstyle
101 How to do PvP.
That means more work for Cryptic. But I'm sure that more Klingonplayers will mean more ship sales. more bancslots sales, more Zensales to get the Klingonstarbase running etc...
More PvP means more respec token sales, more ships sales, more Zen sales to get your fleetship.
At least Cryptic could try it.
We will see what S8 will bring :-)
And before someone bashes Cryptic for being useless and stupid etc:
A) It doesn't help us.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6249011&postcount=419
1 "The Corrupted"
Each cross faction team is given the same brief the other ships are infiltrated by the Undine
there is NO local or zone chat only team chat and no names are displayed for the opposing team
Any vessel destroyed is removed from the instance
2 "infected"
Side one "pure" ships those without Borg components have been summoned to defeat infected part assimilated vessels
Side two "infected" ships those with Borg tech aboard have been ordered to defeat the purists to accelerate the corruption of starfleet and the empire
Cross faction PvP would be another nail in the coffin for PvP and the death knell for possibility of persistent PvP zones.
Now that's kind of an interesting discussion - going beyond the current maps/scenarios - and adding an additional bit of flavor to it... rather than it just being a holodeck training scenario - giving it a little meat. I like that idea.
Given the way the KDF and Starfleet work together on Monday, fight on Tuesday and Wednesday, work together again Thursday through Saturday, only to fight against each other on Sunday... er... I'm not sure that it would necessarily be another nail in the coffin.
Sadly I do not think it would.
Those that know less or have less experience will still becry that the other foe is OP, Exploiting etc. It would become personal instead of factional.
R.I.P
After that it was slowly forgotten as they (Cryptic) suffered under a poor master, had to spend resources on cups for the breakroom and then it died all together as they chased the dollar over substance and praticed no adherence to what they had created as a great backstory.
R.I.P
Reluctant????? Some have down right used not queing FvK as a threat to try and push changes through the system at times, others as a form of protest over the suppossed KDF OPness.
Reluctant is not the word I would ahve used to describe it. :P
R.I.P
Yeah, suppossed.
If anyone is still playing in the world of STO with the mindset the KDF faction is OP then they are deluding themselves and they are to blaim for any poor showing they feel they have done in PvP.
Both factions have advantages at this point in the game and if a player can not make due with what they have then they need to go to PvP boot camp.
Recent aproved Voldie being the exception.
R.I.P
I think ASD/AA/AMS/Theta is worse than ADR/AMS/Theta... by at least half a second.
Thats it!!!!!! I quit!!!!
nga'chuq you guys I'm going home (in best Kartman voice) :P
R.I.P