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New fleet ships - so depressing...

martakurillmartakurill Member Posts: 456 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
You know, I've seen a lot of people take "little things" in this game pretty hard over the time I've been here, and each time I sat back and wondered why. People would rant and rave, and I don't think I ever really understood.

However, I now get it. Making the Fleet Assault Cruiser a tier 5 fleet ship was the "little thing" for me. The Regent is the first ship in this game I really "loved," and now I'm not going to be able to fly her without feeling underpowered (still gonna do it anyway though), knowing that there is a better version out there that will never be accessable to my fleet of modest means.

I don't really get the logic behind the decision, so let me just say this...to all of you who've been burned by a similar decision, I now feel your pain. :(

I guess on the bright side, there is now no reason for me to spend real money on fleet ship modules...
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  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    wait, the fleet AC is a tier 5!? Last time I checked it was not listed.
  • mirai222mirai222 Member Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    raj011 wrote: »
    wait, the fleet AC is a tier 5!? Last time I checked it was not listed.

    It's on Tribble (so expect it to arrive on live this Thursday).
  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    martakurill wrote: »
    You know, I've seen a lot of people take "little things" in this game pretty hard over the time I've been here, and each time I sat back and wondered why. People would rant and rave, and I don't think I ever really understood.

    However, I now get it. Making the Fleet Assault Cruiser a tier 5 fleet ship was the "little thing" for me. The Regent is the first ship in this game I really "loved," and now I'm not going to be able to fly her without feeling underpowered (still gonna do it anyway though), knowing that there is a better version out there that will never be accessable to my fleet of modest means.

    I don't really get the logic behind the decision, so let me just say this...to all of you who've been burned by a similar decision, I now feel your pain. :(

    I guess on the bright side, there is now no reason for me to spend real money on fleet ship modules...
    mirai222 wrote: »
    It's on Tribble (so expect it to arrive on live this Thursday).

    REALLY!, is it the one that was on tribble a while ago and all of a sudden it disappeared or is it a new fleet ship with new stats etc?
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2012
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/yzak_gatx_102/sovfleet.jpg

    is whats currently on tribble
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  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/yzak_gatx_102/sovfleet.jpg

    is whats currently on tribble

    OH SWEET BABIDY JESUS IT'S THE FLEET EXCELSIOR! Does anyone know the stats?

    *Did some searching, it seems it got an extra tac console, interesting. The real question is, will it retain it's power levels bonus?
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  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    does not look like much of a difference, from the regent and sovereign class, all i can see is added tac console, 1.1 shield mod, boff layout looks the same as the regent, hull i think look a bit higher. Was expecting more from the fleet ac, like increase turn, higher shield mod maybe and higher hull and maybe another science console as well as a extra tac. Some of these thing i would of been happy. the AC is a DPS/Tank hybrid and should continue on.
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    cidstorm wrote: »
    OH SWEET BABIDY JESUS IT'S THE FLEET EXCELSIOR! Does anyone know the stats?

    *Did some searching, it seems it got an extra tac console, interesting. The real question is, will it retain it's power levels bonus?

    lol @ this :D that was my exact same reaction *DO WANT!*
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    ship stats

    fleet excelsior 42900 hull, 1.1 shield mod, same stations, 4 tac consoles

    fleet sov 42900 hull, 1.1 shield mod, regent stations, 4 tac consoles

    fleet brel 24750 hull, shield mod .88, 4 eng consoles. yes, it has enhanced BC. 4 eng? really?

    fleet varanus- 31350 hull, 1.32 shield mod, 11 turn, same ens eng, 3rd tac console. a 5th sci would have been nice, like the fleet deap space.
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I cannot understand why a company would say

    "No, I will not take your money unless you join a mega-fleet and/or grind the longest grind in STO history!"

    Confuses me.
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  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    according to this http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/yzak_gatx_102/sovfleet.jpg there is no science boff just an added engineer. not sure about that. What they should do is bump the LT to LCT and add a science boff?
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The devs are digging themselves into a deep hole on this one. Again, we have the issue of c-store tier 5 ships being undervalued because new ships are being released. Enterprise D Retrofit, Dreadnaught cruiser, and regent all are kind of pointless to fly in now because of stronger fleet cruisers or fleet replacements. The example of the regent frankly baffles me. Why even release a regent at 2500 zen if you're going to release a stronger fleet refit of the tier 4 assault cruiser? Unless you're going to release a fleet regent, don't even release a c-store regent.

    You should have thought more seriously about suricata's ship tier revamp before rolling out this fleet ship system. Now people are going to be angry because their favorite cruiser is no match for the new fleet ships.
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  • sparhawksparhawk Member Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bareel wrote: »
    I cannot understand why a company would say

    "No, I will not take your money unless you join a mega-fleet and/or grind the longest grind in STO history!"

    Confuses me.

    You're not the only one. A number of people (myself included) said this before season 6 even launched.
  • martakurillmartakurill Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    The devs are digging themselves into a deep hole on this one. Again, we have the issue of c-store tier 5 ships being undervalued because new ships are being released. Enterprise D Retrofit, Dreadnaught cruiser, and regent all are kind of pointless to fly in now because of stronger fleet cruisers or fleet replacements. The example of the regent frankly baffles me. Why even release a regent at 2500 zen if you're going to release a stronger fleet refit of the tier 4 assault cruiser? Unless you're going to release a fleet regent, don't even release a c-store regent.

    You should have thought more seriously about suricata's ship tier revamp before rolling out this fleet ship system. Now people are going to be angry because their favorite cruiser is no match for the new fleet ships.

    Wow, didn't even think of it that way, as someone who has already bought the regent from the c-store. Certainly adds to the disenchanment I mentioned earlier. The way this is being introduced is going to cause quite a few problems it seems.

    Anyone have any thoughts as to WHY this is being done this way? Because as a player, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
    bareel wrote: »
    I cannot understand why a company would say

    "No, I will not take your money unless you join a mega-fleet and/or grind the longest grind in STO history!"

    Confuses me.

    ...and this just adds to that feeling. Now we just need someone to make a "Just shut up and DON'T take my money" banner.
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The grind to 20000 fleet credits is not that long, getting the 4 modules takes as much time as any other ship. Most fleets are up to tier 3 SD already so this should not be a huge deal grind wise. I do feel for the smaller fleets though.
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  • martakurillmartakurill Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    cidstorm wrote: »
    The grind to 20000 fleet credits is not that long, getting the 4 modules takes as much time as any other ship. Most fleets are up to tier 3 SD already so this should not be a huge deal grind wise. I do feel for the smaller fleets though.

    I feel many players have got the access to the currency no problem. Its the tier 5 SD needed for the sovy that really has me and others up in arms. :(
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bareel wrote: »
    I cannot understand why a company would say

    "No, I will not take your money unless you join a mega-fleet and/or grind the longest grind in STO history!"

    Confuses me.

    Then ask your fleet leader to use the whip to make you work harder on fleet actions! :o

    Tier 5 is doable, just not now.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    martakurill wrote: »
    Anyone have any thoughts as to WHY this is being done this way? Because as a player, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

    They're trying to make you play the game longer, harder, with season 7. Tier 5 also serves this purpose. They want people to play the game on a regular basis. Probably not 4-5h a day but at least 2.
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  • crusader3025crusader3025 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    raj011 wrote: »
    according to this http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/yzak_gatx_102/sovfleet.jpg there is no science boff just an added engineer. not sure about that. What they should do is bump the LT to LCT and add a science boff?

    Really, I see:
    1 Ensign Tactical.
    1 Lieutenant Commander Tactical
    1 Lieutenant Engineering
    1 Commander Engineering
    1 Lieutenant Universal
    (Rightmost on the BOff station, its color can confuse people into thinking it's an Engineery station on first glance).
  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/yzak_gatx_102/sovfleet.jpg

    is whats currently on tribble
    weylandjuarez wrote: »
    lol @ this :D that was my exact same reaction *DO WANT!*
    crusader3025 wrote: »
    Really, I see:
    1 Ensign Tactical.
    1 Lieutenant Commander Tactical
    1 Lieutenant Engineering
    1 Commander Engineering
    1 Lieutenant Universal
    (Rightmost on the BOff station, its color can confuse people into thinking it's an Engineery station on first glance).

    so same as the regent which i have, want this to be a step up not side ways from regent class.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,901 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    The devs are digging themselves into a deep hole on this one. Again, we have the issue of c-store tier 5 ships being undervalued because new ships are being released. Enterprise D Retrofit, Dreadnaught cruiser, and regent all are kind of pointless to fly in now because of stronger fleet cruisers or fleet replacements. The example of the regent frankly baffles me. Why even release a regent at 2500 zen if you're going to release a stronger fleet refit of the tier 4 assault cruiser? Unless you're going to release a fleet regent, don't even release a c-store regent.

    You should have thought more seriously about suricata's ship tier revamp before rolling out this fleet ship system. Now people are going to be angry because their favorite cruiser is no match for the new fleet ships.

    Because...with the c store regent you get the skin, the wide angle torp, and the riker cloud console...not to mention you only have to spend one module instead of 4.
    C store ships come with a console...now not all console are super good but hey with the regent you also get the torp which is awesome for broadsiders.

    They have proven that they can make fleet vessels that have innate powers...so Cryptic my question to you is where is the Fleet Dreadnought and Fleet Guramba?
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Because...with the c store regent you get the skin, the wide angle torp, and the riker cloud console...not to mention you only have to spend one module instead of 4.
    C store ships come with a console...now not all console are super good but hey with the regent you also get the torp which is awesome for broadsiders.

    They have proven that they can make fleet vessels that have innate powers...so Cryptic my question to you is where is the Fleet Dreadnought and Fleet Guramba?

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  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bareel wrote: »
    I cannot understand why a company would say

    "No, I will not take your money unless you join a mega-fleet and/or grind the longest grind in STO history!"

    Confuses me.

    Because the grind needs lots and lots of dilithium and as such some people WILL buy dilithium. Just look at the current exchange for proof on this..
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  • logicalspocklogicalspock Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I spent so much money on "endgame" ships before F2P only to see Cryptic deprecate them by refusing to rebalance the game, then start selling more powerful ships for additional money.


    I just use my stipend now. No point on paying money for an "endgame" ship (and some of these cost $50 now) that will just be deprecated in a year or two.

    If Cryptic wants my money, the first thing they will have to show me is that if I buy an endgame ship, it will not be deprecated in a few weeks and that they will fix any imbalances created between endgame ships as the game matures (like the terrible plight of the Galaxy, one of the most iconic ships in the game).
  • red01999red01999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It's at T5 because that's the most expensive. There are people who are Sovereign fans who see this as an ubership (and in a way it is) and go straight after it. Ultimately it seems to me to be a superior tactical cruiser to an Odyssey, so it's going to be highly sought after.

    Unfortunately the vast majority of the playerbase will never so much as set foot on a T5 base, let alone buy a ship that requires one. So 90%+ of the fans who are willing to throw their all at this will find, three months into the grind as they try to encourage their fleetmates to be similarly fanatical (and they won't be in most cases), they're running out of steam with absolutely no end in sight. As such they will burn themselves out and the fleet ships remain ultra-rare shinies for the next person who so desperately wants one.

    Sadly this makes me feel rather weaker with my Regent. I already felt like it was a step down from the Odyssey, but I felt a good bit of synergy with the ship, so I've used it a lot more than the Ody lately (plus there's a bug with the Ody that keeps coming up for me that makes saucer and Aquarius use unreliable). But to be so directly outclassed... well, very discouraging. Ultimately the Fleet AC is what people wanted from the C-Store Regent, and that's why it sits where it is. Discouraging, overall.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Fantastic, instead of giving us a solid 5 tac console escort or a fleet Kar'fi, we get another gimmicky BoP. Then to add insult to injury, they stick an eng console on it. Because a ship that has next to zero hull and has a sci/tac lean is really going to benefit from the extra .2 seconds of life an eng console will provide.

    Seriously Cryptic, it's no wonder people don't buy KDF ships. You completely ignore the ships we want and need. I don't know who's designing your KDF ship layouts, but good god man...

    Throw us a damn bone Cryptic. This is beyond frustrating.
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    You should have thought more seriously about suricata's ship tier revamp before rolling out this fleet ship system. Now people are going to be angry because their favorite cruiser is no match for the new fleet ships.

    Hu? They've already released most ships people love as fleet versions. If anything everyone that bothered to keep tabs on things already knew that a +1 AC was coming out BECAUSE they took out the Fleet AC from the live implementation of starbases. I was beginning to wonder how much longer they were going to hold out on releasing a fleet AC.
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    martakurill wrote: »
    Wow, didn't even think of it that way, as someone who has already bought the regent from the c-store. Certainly adds to the disenchanment I mentioned earlier. The way this is being introduced is going to cause quite a few problems it seems.

    Its not so bad, since you have the Regent I'd expect the Fleet AC to only cost you one ship module. That's a HUGE savings. As for your fleet not getting to T5 anytime soon if ever... I guarantee you that as soon as the big fleets get to T5 they will happily sell for ingame resources some of their extra ship provisions. It would mean you'd have to leave your current fleet for a little while, but surely if you speak to them about it beforehand and explain how its only to get a T5 ship they will understand and will probably want to do the same once you come back and have made contacts with a big fleet!
  • ungratefuldead88ungratefuldead88 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I've seen lots of T3/T4 fleets in chat letting people join and use their shipyards in exchange for donations. Once a few fleets are at T5 I can only assume the same option will become available.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What does a T5 fleet need more resources for? they did the deed already. I think a fleet that was able to reach T5 will have no problem supporting their members on their own.
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    timelord79 wrote: »
    What does a T5 fleet need more resources for? they did the deed already. I think a fleet that was able to reach T5 will have no problem supporting their members on their own.


    It wouldn't be about them NEEDING the donation/contribution/etc from people wanting access to their extra ship reqs and T5 shipyard, its about them really having nothing to do with all those extra reqs fleets always get. Why not have those extras generate some value for the fleet? after all there will always be more fleet holdings right?
  • theindefatigabletheindefatigable Member Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Looks to me like the T5 fleet regent/sovvy will finally give players a truly solid reason to fly one of those over a tactical Oddy, and I like that. While I am not happy about it being T5 I also felt that there weren't enough rewards from reaching a T5 shipyard and now I suppose there will be. The Special Service Squadron won't be seeing Tier Five anytime soon, so I suppose I'm even more happy to have some characters in a larger fleet, the Ausmonauts, who will get there. This will also be a big moneymaker for larger or more active fleets in that they can sell access to these ships to those whose fleets simply aren't large enough to get to T5 in anything less than multiple years...

    Also very happy to hear about the fleet excelsior, b'rel, and varanus...all ships I've bought from the C-Store and love. I imagine the Dreadnought will eventually get this treatment, though the ship I really don't want to have to face off against would be a fleet cat carrier which would probably be a Federation version of the fleet Vo'Quv. Then again, if I got one I could finally have a ship I could dare to use the Royal Navy ship name "Invincible" on...
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