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virusdancer
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...to those KDF players that were in that recent C&H that were undeserving of my general comments in reply to the "gg" offered by others.
There were some good fights in there - off to the side - at the start.
Not all of the KDF were participating in the typical cheese spam which currently results in FvK queues as it stands now: 0 Fed 10 KDF
Sometimes emotions can run high, and it's easy to forget that not all KDF are the same - so comments really shouldn't be directed in general - but rather they should be directed at individuals. Because face it, they're ruining the game for other KDF as well - if not more - than they are for Feds. Feds can queue FvF to avoid it - the KDF would be stuck KvK... facing the same issues that cause Feds not to queue FvK.
So again, my apologies for my general comments - there were some fun fights in there. GG to those that provided a good game...
...to the others, well - I like posting on the forums - so I can't say what I think here.
There were some good fights in there - off to the side - at the start.
Not all of the KDF were participating in the typical cheese spam which currently results in FvK queues as it stands now: 0 Fed 10 KDF
Sometimes emotions can run high, and it's easy to forget that not all KDF are the same - so comments really shouldn't be directed in general - but rather they should be directed at individuals. Because face it, they're ruining the game for other KDF as well - if not more - than they are for Feds. Feds can queue FvF to avoid it - the KDF would be stuck KvK... facing the same issues that cause Feds not to queue FvK.
So again, my apologies for my general comments - there were some fun fights in there. GG to those that provided a good game...
...to the others, well - I like posting on the forums - so I can't say what I think here.
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What are you avoiding in F v F?? i was in a game last night getting GP for 35 sec, ams, theta, tric mines.. Dunoobs all other the place, its everywhere in the game not just k V f
Quote of the week:
Siphon...
Aceton...
I'd rather put up with the AMS, Theta, Tric, and Danubes...
...than AMS, Theta, Tric, AA, and ASD.
Yep, I'd gladly take having to face ADRs over ASDs and AA any day...
...which I think many would agree with. One can just look at the FvF queues vs the FvK queues.
It would be nice to see more pugmades inside OPVP. Had a very fun match this AM with Qin and a few other KDF. Almost made me late for work but was worth it. Although I was da-noob held half the match ;]
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
We all heard those arguments before. :P
Once again then, explain the difference in wait periods/number of folks queuing FvF vs FvK...
If the Fed stuff were as bad, then either they wouldn't queue or they would queue both FvF and FvK because it wouldn't matter.
That's not the case though...
...they queue FvF over FvK. Or they'll queue FvK until somebody brings the cheese, then they just warp, and the FvK queue is dead again.
By the way, my OP was a legitimate apology to the other KDF in that C&H when I lost it when a couple of the other KDF offered a "gg" at the end of the fight. I wouldn't have said anything, would not have felt the need to post an apology, if not for the "gg" - you don't bring that kind of cheese, end up spawn camping the other side with that cheese, and then offer a "gg"...
...there were some pretty nifty fights in that match - it was fun.
Then it was just... "yeah, duh - this is why you don't queue FvK" - but it was fine. Dookie happens. Then the "gg" nonsense... yeah, I lost it a little - and my comments were too general. They should have been directed - targeted - not some mindless AoE ranting rage... the other KDF in that match didn't deserve that.
edit: Course, the girlfriend just gave me a /facepalm when I told her what happened - she said it's just a game. It's funny how easily that can be gotten. Too many of us take this far too seriously...meh.
All that being said, not everyone flying KDF is doing this. Unfortunately some of these things are so out of control that it can be hard to determine who is douching it up and who is just benefiting through the luck of the draw in queues. Flying KDF side with people who run these things makes me feel dirty but flying Fed side against them leaves me feeling violated.
I hate how negative I've become over this game that has so much potential. There is a lot of serious meaningful work to do but Cryptic is so busy throwing out poorly designed garbage. They need to fix PvP and then get back to work on bridges or bundles like the DS9/Defiant pack. That looked awesome and I doubt my Galaxy Class/TNG pack is going to break PvP.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
well now they get MACO shields and plasmonic leech - when the feds were going to "supposedly get it - it was going to be game breaking and they were all going to quit
But now that the KDF gets it I don't hear any more "game-breaking" rants about it from those KDF players???
Guess its ok for KDF to be OP - but not Fed - or its a full on KDF rant fest.
I agree with this post bit the current way things are
Done I'n this game make balancing near impossible
Every new power,ship,boff or Doff can undo 5 or
More past balancing issues .
SFC had a great pvp system that could be adapted here
To make balance possible and make pvp fun and make
Cryptic money and boost membership and playability I'n the game
As a GM. With 30 + years of experience balancing game
Things like this is what I had to do to make my games fun
Because if it isn't fun people won't play, that's what we see here
The first step to balance this monster is to use
The ship tier system
Lockbox ship----8 points
Zstore ship
6 points
Tier ship
5 points
Tier ship
4 points
Tier ship
3 points
Tier ship
2 points
Tier ship
1 points
Each ship I'n the game would have to be looked
At and assigned a point value because as we know
Some ships are weaker than others or stronger
Now you assign match points
10
15
20
Ect............
You can also limit the number of 5+ point
Ships I'n a given match
There are some ships so powerful they may be
Worth 10 points I'n this system
The devs should be able to take a system like this
Polish it up so fun interesting matches can be fought
Using many ships I'n the lower tiers as it should be .
Fleets usually have 1 Capitol ship and it's escorts
Not 5 Capitol ships with no escorting ships
A match should take 10 to 15 minutes before a side
Is eliminated as well not 10 seconds hard caps to offense
And defense can also be used
It can be done with a little effort and if $$$$
are I'n it for cryptic and using low point ships will
Put special effort into the forgotten low tier ships which
Would be a big bonus to the Zstore
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
No doubt. Why all the KDF spam hate drivel and hints that spam is keeping the OP and other feds from the fvking pug ques?
Its a new STO baby. The fed gots spam too.
So if OP met some KDF spam users puging the ques they where probaly expecting plenty of fed spam and where deliriuosly happg when they met a team of feds not using cheese as well.
Everybody has cheese now.
Not using it is personel choice.
R.I.P
Fine. Then give the KDF Danubes and give the feds AA and ASDs and when the FvKing ques dont move what will next excuse be as to why the KDF is holding a unfair annoyance over the feds?
Just give a honest (and you said you did) apology with out details on why you got angry.
Once you go into detail it breaks down and becomes semi-accusitory and rantish.
" to the .....last night....sorry....hate Fking spam...."
And I apoligise for my attitude against you, it was uncalled for on my part.
R.I.P
Then you didnt read my and other posts that called it fking stupid even for us.
How you miss it? Im going think you stopped caring.......
R.I.P
I have not been scanning the KDF forums and the PvP forums that much TBH
I am surprized that not even here in the PvP thread there is not a huge FED rage thread about the coming - balance issue:
"2 weeks or so every KDF ship will be pounding FED ships with MACO shields and Plasmonic Leech"
Did I miss this big issue for PvP - or do the Fed PvPrs just don't care?
A general attitude of fk it towards PvP in STO may have formed overtime.
I know much angst was expressed by the PvP community in general it was bad move.
I no more want MACO +PL than I do KHG accuracy debuff/placate + Danubes under AoE advanced battle cloak.
R.I.P
I've never had a previous excuse other than this one. It was why I quit back in April.
It's more annoying now than it was back then because of AMS through the Temporal boxes.
So my issue earlier in the year - was made worse...
...so I'm not sure of why I would need any other excuse.
Until the garbage earlier this year, I mainly ran KDF. I had my 3 KDF toons and my single Fed... named Token - my token Fed since I was stuck with the Fed restricted character slot and wanted to maximize my Dil farming.
As that TRIBBLE hit, I didn't want to be on a KDF team that used it and I sure as Hell didn't want to KvK against that garbage.
I argued for more KDF ships while Fed weenies were crying for the Ambassador (after I shifted Fed and started championing the Vesta (not the monstrosity they're putting out, but something that was along the lines of the Karfi) I still made fun of the Ambassador guys - I mean, c'mon)... I argued for more KDF content. I spent time dorking around in the Foundry to make KDF content. I was all about KDF out side of my token Fed... who was just grinding Dil for my KDF dudes.
Then they did the console nonsense... and it was a case of "effit" - and, it wasn't long before it was obvious to see where the game was going down the P2W path. Deleted my four guys - including anniversary ships - all the stuff I had spent time farming and crafting... didn't care (though, I kind of regret it - admittedly).
I came back because I like Star Trek... and even with the garbage on the Fed side, I still have fun win or lose in FvF matches - because it's not the KDF garbage.
Giving the Feds the same garbage... wouldn't fix anything.
I'd walk away from the game... or likely end up getting banned for making Foundry missions where the goal was to destroy the Evil Cryptic Fleet - I'd make the devs all fat/ugly aliens that speak derp...
There was a good fight off to the left that went on for a bit - got outnumbered, died. There was a good fight off to the right that went on even longer - got outplayed, died.
Then it was the ASD/AA/AMS spawn camp thing.
Even with that - it was fine. There was a guy raging about them spawn camping, but I was like whatever - they got the upper hand, they pushed it, they dominated - we'll move on to the next match.
When they started saying "gg" - I flipped out...
Well you didn't respond yet to my comment about the KDF soon geting MACO shields+plasmonic leech - what is your opinion on that?
Honestly, until you mentioned it here - I didn't even see those other posts on the first page.
This really was meant just to be an apology - I mean, I'm surprised I haven't got a warning notification... ahem. Not everybody there was doing it - so I should have directed it at the entire opposing team. I was still ticked off about it when I posted - so that part crept in.
But still, as far as the MACO shields + plas leech - considering that they're also doing away with the 3+1 - if folks decide that 2+1 works for them - fine. I still think the KDF would be more upset about the updated KHG and Feds getting it. I've been toying around with a RSV Torp Boat. Let's look at the RSV and the Vesta.
Vesta +800 hull
Vesta +0.05 shield modifier
RSV: Lt Tac, Ens Tac, Lt Eng, Cmdr Sci, LCdr Sci
Vesta: Lt Tac, Lt Eng, Cmdr Sci, LCdr Uni, Ens Uni
Same turn rate
Vesta +0.01 impulse modifier
Vesta +1 hangar bay
RSV: 3 Tac, 2 Eng, 4 Sci consoles
Vesta - Vesta: 3 Tac, 2 Eng, 5 Sci consoles
Vesta - Aventine: 4 Tac, 2 Eng, 4 Sci consoles
Vesta - Rademaker: 3 Tac, 3 Eng, 4 Sci consoles
RSV: +15 Aux
Vesta - Vesta: +15 Aux
Vesta - Aventine: +10 Aux, +5 Wep
Vesta - Rademaker: +10 Aux, +5 Shield
Vesta: Aux powered DHC
So I picture the Vesta as a torp boat - running with the Fed KHG - with the changes being made to the KHG set. Then add in the Omega/Rom Rep passives. Don't forget the Danubes...
...and it would be hard to complain about the KDF getting MACO shields while having plasmonic.
Part of that's also from some of the discussion I saw about the 125 cap being "instituted" again. Sure, they're going have a much easier time maintaining higher wep power...
...but I'm looking at that +25% torp damage from the KHG, the +33% from Sensor Analysis, 3 tac consoles... I'm looking at the AoE Enhanced Battle Cloak (nifty def bonus making the ADRs even harder to kill) - I'm looking at the Wave-Function which reflects kinetic damage - I'm looking at the 5% chance to proc kinetic damage that ignores shields... etc, etc, etc...
...and I think the KDF have more to complain about than the Feds in this particular exchange.
But hey, I could be way off...
edit: And to be honest, I'm not looking forward to facing that in FvF...meh. Maybe I'll roll a new toon, hang out at Drozana and dance, maybe hang out at DS9 and discuss politics, or maybe hang out at ESD and discuss why Kirk>Picard>Kirk2>Pike2>Pike>Archer>Janeway>Sisko...meh.
To the OP: Kudos to you for manning up & taking responsibility for your words & actions, apologies are rare in this day & age. I've had to apologize for some things I've said after matches that didn't go so well & pride can be a jagged little pill to swallow. Just for the record, GG means "Good Game". Like after a little league game both teams would line up, shake hands, & say good game, both winners & losers. I've misinterpreted that before & made myself look like a fool. So, anyway, Kudos to you, now go kill something.
Now, with damage being done and not likely to be fixed, some players choose to use cheese, some not. I personally never help a team member that's using cheese. I try to move to a new target. Also, some players genuily don't know the annoyance of siphons or danoobs. Or some other cryptic brilliant "features". Not everybody is reading the forums. Everything resumes at the fact that cryptic designs those broken features only having pve in mind. Then, oops... we broke pvp... Lets try to fix it next 2-3 seasons...
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
No worries. We all flip out eventually.
R.I.P
Yes, Levi3 its exactly the same was the Fed rant when the temporal ships came out and the Feds were all "OH my G@d! No! The KDF ship is waaaay too OP, because it has the cloak".
Now the Feds get a waaaay better Vesta than ANY OTHER SHIP EVER DESIGNED and the Feds are quiet as mice discussing builds and laughing their arses off.
Sound familiar?
I don't agree with you. Generalisations like this infuriate me.
Lieutenant General Isa Tion reporting for duty!
(yes.... everyone is generalizing and this upsets the community as a whole!)
In what way is my rather specific statement regarding a number of terrible mechanics a generalization?
I'd love to play KDF more. I'd rather not rely on mechanics that completely disable my target for a kill. Even if I don't use these things, and I'm sure there are a few others who refrain from this stuff to an extent, I'm still very likely to end up with a pug team who is loaded up. As annoying as it is to be overwhelmed by "p2w", it's even less fun to roflstomp a target who is already overwhelmed by "p2w".
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
saying gg every match no matter what: good
camping: bad
Possibly he is upset becuase your post makes it sound as if the only terrible mechanics in the game exist on the KDF side of things. The feds have thier fair share of cheese and bad code as well.
R.I.P
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Indeed. Thats why I said it may be a possibly reason for his response. Only he can say for sure.
R.I.P
R.I.P