As long as the endgame content continues to gives borg weapon resistance, I agree Shimmerless.
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With all of the reputation gear placing a focus on Plasma, the OP makes a lot of sense. Why introduce new gear that a majority of 50 high players will be resistant too?
its amazing how clueless most of you are. the 4 most common end game shields, and yes they are end game shields as stated many times by devs, have a built in 15-20% damage resistance to plasma.
those shields are literally twice as good as any other possible shield you could use. if you are a fed, and your not using the maco shield you are doing it extreamly wrong. wile the KHG and omega are twice as good as non set shields, maco is twice as good as they are. 15% of all damage dealt to them simply goes away, and if you shoot plasma at them even more damage goes away. only if you really want the borg tractor or gravametric anchor would you use the borg or omega shield.
so, theres a 100% chance that any fed you shoot at has a 20% resistence to plasma 100% of the time. any fed that doesn't have one of these 4 shields is such a noob it takes 5 seconds to kill them anyway. before you say 'well i don't use those shields', fine, you fall into the noob category then.
for kdf the best shield is the fleet MKXII resistant cap3 resA, it lacks a plasma resistance, but use of the omega or KHG shield on the klink side is still overwhelmingly more prevalent. so theres a 90% chance kdf has a 20% resistence to plasma 100% of the time.
this kills plasma weapons in pvp, you always do 20% less damage with them then you would do with any other weapon type. the 4 most common shields in end game pvp resist it.
AND in stfs, you dont need plasma resist at all, the vast majority of damage you take in stfs ins from non HY plamsa torps, they deal kinetic damage. so the stf set resist which does next to nothing to help you in stfs, RUINS an entire usable energy type in pvp. that resist needs to be removed now, it is a farce and extreamly poor game design that it exists at all.
I recieved a shield drop last night in an stf coffer that had 20 phaser 20 disruptor and 20 plasma resist.
There are other BoFF abilities to help bring down shields. There are ahileds people can equip that give them different buffs. There is other gear as well.
In stf i use the 35 plasma 35 tet resist console. In everything rlse i switch to the other consoles depending on what im fighting.
That fact that you KNOW what resist the other person uses gives you an advantage. They have stf their plasma resist is worthless.
The point being a lot of players have a lot of energy types resisted. When i do pvp i have phaser and antiproton covered. No matter your weapon the person you are fighting will most likely have some resitance to it. And changing the stf wont change that fact.
Plasma (for players) has always been the "underpowered" weapon type, and always will be. Borg plasma weapons, on the other hand, are overpowered; the endgame shields give players a little bit of an edge in terms of survival.
The plasma resist on endgame shield makes sense in terms of RP also; don't you think Starfleet and the KDF would be working non-stop to adept their shielding against Borg plasma weapons?
If you really "really" want to make plasma a more legitimate damage type option, then I suggest this; reclass Borg weapons as there own damage type (for example, Borg Plasma, which is different from standard player Plasma), then give endgame shields a resistance to Borg Plasma rather then player plasma. Thus, PvE players get their resistance to Borg weapons, while PvP players retain plasma weaponry as a legitimate option. This solution is practical on several levels...it does not, however, change the fact that most NPCs have a plasma resistance as well, thus plasmas effectiveness would still be limited in PvE.
Just my take.
We've asked the devs for this before and we got very credulous or non-committal answers, something about the engine not being able to handle it or whatever (even though there already is a proc that only applies to Borg existing in the game right now).
If none of you care about this because it doesn't directly apply to you or because PvPers are in a minority, that's fine, but in that case just remove plasma weapons themselves altogether. It's not fair on newer players to have the silly burden of knowledge that an energy type (which on the surface appears no different to any other) is totally worthless against other players.
It's just such a stupid roadblock though, it really bugs me out. That resist isn't doing anything for anyone and it was ill-conceived in the first place, I don't know why they won't just get rid of it or change it or something.
How about this for a compromise: just take it off of the MACO shield. The other shields you could probably get away with since people tend to favor Fleet stuff over Omega and to an extent KHG (although this is really only at the high end... most casual PvPers will still beeline for the phattest STF lewt). MACO on the other hand is absurdly strong Fed-side and since you already have a 10% flat rainbow resist to begin with, slotting it into a ship is a total no-brainer.
Just slightly toning down one shield. Just the one. And it's something the overwhelming majority of players will never even notice. Is that too much to ask for?
this kills plasma weapons in pvp, you always do 20% less damage with them then you would do with any other weapon type. the 4 most common shields in end game pvp resist it.
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AND in stfs, you dont need plasma resist at all, the vast majority of damage you take in stfs ins from non HY plamsa torps, they deal kinetic damage. so the stf set resist which does next to nothing to help you in stfs, RUINS an entire usable energy type in pvp. that resist needs to be removed now, it is a farce and extreamly poor game design that it exists at all.
And thats the crux of the matter. CRYPTIC should simply remove the 20% resistance for the sake of leveling all energy types on the playing field, and in this case the PvP arena.
For PVE it doesn't matter much, and as I stated on one of my previous postings, The BORG do not use Plasma weapnory per lore:
They use:
Cutting Beams
Shield absorbing Tractor Beams
Missles & NOT Torpedoes ---> Especially Plasma Torpedoes
They should change all this for the sake of lore and for the sake of PvP. However; there lies the problem, PvP is the Red Headed Step child of Cryptic - If it were not so, they would have banned the usage of OP Consoles and ships in the PVP arena.
And because the 20% resist only matters in a player vs players scenerio, CRYPTIC will NOT invest time, money & resources on an already Defunct PvP Arena.
PVP players: "Plasma resist on shields is terrible and broken and makes plasma weapons useless!"
PVE players: "...plasma weapons work fine, what are you smoking"
Solution: PVP and PVE equipment/loadouts/abilities should be completely separated. Solves this and so many other balance complaints.
I'm very curious if you get forum ban for smoking reference. I got it few weeks ago. As I was enlightened by our great community manager before I was banned for weekend.
"Drug references are never okay on these forums"
Just curious if there are double standards here
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Dear lady, show me which shields are designed for PvP in this game ? I must have missed them.
I didn't say these STF designed ship equipment "shouldn't" be used in PvP, I agree though that there isn't any PvP designed equipment.
I was simply stating that the Plasma resist that this post is refering to in reference to using Plasma weapons against players who use these specific equipment should not be removed.
The equipment is designed for combat against borg.
Its like saying I like using a knife... for a gun fight...
anyway there are plenty of options for other ship equipment, the playerbase have chosen to arm themselves with STF gear. (I can see the benefits I've used all the STF sets) I've also used to use Aegis, the Breen gear and have used the Jemmy gear. as a playerbase we have all condemned Plasma to be PvP-useless.
I'm in no position to actually say that I'm equally not responsible I use the Borg set, so in my own little way I've condemned Plasma too.
Why remove plasma resist? Placebo or not, borg retro will be less desired soon, this game doesn't have a ton of endgame options, and new sets aren't gonna get created anytime soon. Why take away or diminish what little there is?
Why remove plasma resist? Placebo or not, borg retro will be less desired soon, this game doesn't have a ton of endgame options, and new sets aren't gonna get created anytime soon. Why take away or diminish what little there is?
Little? LITTLE ? The MACO shield is the best shield in game and all other aren't as half as good as it is.
I would give borgs unique weapon type and let the shields protect against that, but remove the plasma resistance from all end shields.
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The Borg should be able to adapt there weaponry
Just like I'n cannon
There shields should adapt as well
A commander Shelby Doff to adapt our weapons
And shields..... Interesting
Change the Borg npc weapons to Borg Plasma
The Maco shield resist to Borg Plasma
The players get a new set of weapons because
Of the resist changes ( normal plasma weapons )
Should be just moving a few numbers around on Borg
Npc ships and Writing new text I'n the Maco set
Ground pounders remodulate already
No $ I'n it though for cryptic so I doubt it would
Be done
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those shields are literally twice as good as any other possible shield you could use. if you are a fed, and your not using the maco shield you are doing it extreamly wrong. wile the KHG and omega are twice as good as non set shields, maco is twice as good as they are. 15% of all damage dealt to them simply goes away, and if you shoot plasma at them even more damage goes away. only if you really want the borg tractor or gravametric anchor would you use the borg or omega shield.
so, theres a 100% chance that any fed you shoot at has a 20% resistence to plasma 100% of the time. any fed that doesn't have one of these 4 shields is such a noob it takes 5 seconds to kill them anyway. before you say 'well i don't use those shields', fine, you fall into the noob category then.
for kdf the best shield is the fleet MKXII resistant cap3 resA, it lacks a plasma resistance, but use of the omega or KHG shield on the klink side is still overwhelmingly more prevalent. so theres a 90% chance kdf has a 20% resistence to plasma 100% of the time.
this kills plasma weapons in pvp, you always do 20% less damage with them then you would do with any other weapon type. the 4 most common shields in end game pvp resist it.
AND in stfs, you dont need plasma resist at all, the vast majority of damage you take in stfs ins from non HY plamsa torps, they deal kinetic damage. so the stf set resist which does next to nothing to help you in stfs, RUINS an entire usable energy type in pvp. that resist needs to be removed now, it is a farce and extreamly poor game design that it exists at all.
So what? Would plasma make your life better? :P
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There are other BoFF abilities to help bring down shields. There are ahileds people can equip that give them different buffs. There is other gear as well.
In stf i use the 35 plasma 35 tet resist console. In everything rlse i switch to the other consoles depending on what im fighting.
That fact that you KNOW what resist the other person uses gives you an advantage. They have stf their plasma resist is worthless.
The point being a lot of players have a lot of energy types resisted. When i do pvp i have phaser and antiproton covered. No matter your weapon the person you are fighting will most likely have some resitance to it. And changing the stf wont change that fact.
We've asked the devs for this before and we got very credulous or non-committal answers, something about the engine not being able to handle it or whatever (even though there already is a proc that only applies to Borg existing in the game right now).
If none of you care about this because it doesn't directly apply to you or because PvPers are in a minority, that's fine, but in that case just remove plasma weapons themselves altogether. It's not fair on newer players to have the silly burden of knowledge that an energy type (which on the surface appears no different to any other) is totally worthless against other players.
It's just such a stupid roadblock though, it really bugs me out. That resist isn't doing anything for anyone and it was ill-conceived in the first place, I don't know why they won't just get rid of it or change it or something.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Just slightly toning down one shield. Just the one. And it's something the overwhelming majority of players will never even notice. Is that too much to ask for?
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
And thats the crux of the matter. CRYPTIC should simply remove the 20% resistance for the sake of leveling all energy types on the playing field, and in this case the PvP arena.
For PVE it doesn't matter much, and as I stated on one of my previous postings, The BORG do not use Plasma weapnory per lore:
They use:
Cutting Beams
Shield absorbing Tractor Beams
Missles & NOT Torpedoes ---> Especially Plasma Torpedoes
They should change all this for the sake of lore and for the sake of PvP. However; there lies the problem, PvP is the Red Headed Step child of Cryptic - If it were not so, they would have banned the usage of OP Consoles and ships in the PVP arena.
And because the 20% resist only matters in a player vs players scenerio, CRYPTIC will NOT invest time, money & resources on an already Defunct PvP Arena.
PVE players: "...plasma weapons work fine, what are you smoking"
Solution: PVP and PVE equipment/loadouts/abilities should be completely separated. Solves this and so many other balance complaints.
I'm very curious if you get forum ban for smoking reference. I got it few weeks ago. As I was enlightened by our great community manager before I was banned for weekend.
"Drug references are never okay on these forums"
Just curious if there are double standards here
That's an interesting interpretation.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
I didn't say these STF designed ship equipment "shouldn't" be used in PvP, I agree though that there isn't any PvP designed equipment.
I was simply stating that the Plasma resist that this post is refering to in reference to using Plasma weapons against players who use these specific equipment should not be removed.
The equipment is designed for combat against borg.
Its like saying I like using a knife... for a gun fight...
anyway there are plenty of options for other ship equipment, the playerbase have chosen to arm themselves with STF gear. (I can see the benefits I've used all the STF sets) I've also used to use Aegis, the Breen gear and have used the Jemmy gear. as a playerbase we have all condemned Plasma to be PvP-useless.
I'm in no position to actually say that I'm equally not responsible I use the Borg set, so in my own little way I've condemned Plasma too.
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Little? LITTLE ? The MACO shield is the best shield in game and all other aren't as half as good as it is.
I would give borgs unique weapon type and let the shields protect against that, but remove the plasma resistance from all end shields.
If you think your opponent is using a shield with plasma resist, use a different weapon type.
Adapt or die.
"Little" was in reference to the lack of endgame gear sets currently in game.
@Ferrelle "adapt or die", best advice on this forum really .
The DOT from plasma beams appears to do actual plasma damage:
Your Plasma - Plasma Fire deals 51 Plasma Damage to Jem'Hadar Attack Ship.
Just like I'n cannon
There shields should adapt as well
A commander Shelby Doff to adapt our weapons
And shields..... Interesting
Change the Borg npc weapons to Borg Plasma
The Maco shield resist to Borg Plasma
The players get a new set of weapons because
Of the resist changes ( normal plasma weapons )
Should be just moving a few numbers around on Borg
Npc ships and Writing new text I'n the Maco set
Ground pounders remodulate already
No $ I'n it though for cryptic so I doubt it would
Be done
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