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broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2012 in PvP Gameplay
ok so im sure by now that everyone has seen the passives on tribble. well 2 passives that stick out. the dem passive and the passive that will give you jams that cant be broken and can be speced. i was told you can get a free jam of 10 secs. even if this is not true even a 3-6 sec jam is way too op. non of this is even needed in pve. so i have to ask, why sub doffs, dem passive and jam passive? are they trying to make all the pvp'ers in this game leave? or is it to bring more pvp'er into it? if its to bring in new blood this is wrong way to do it. im sure you will make alot of people leave. if team a cant see team b and team b cant see team a then what is the point? the dem passive is a 2.5 chance with 100% sheild pen. the jam is a 20% chance that can be boosted.

"Putting points into the Neural Neutralizer Duty Officer power will now properly increase the duration of the Placate."

can the jam please be broken using damage? hate to see the kdf or the fed version of the kdf space set get placae plus the passive placae proc. then the dem passive comes in......we know every class will pick these 2 passives. but what about carrier pets? will these passives/procs apply to them as well?
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
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  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Pretty sure Neutral Neutralizer is a ground ability.

    What's the point, though?

    Everything that has been added to the game in the past year or so has little to no impact on PvE (other than making things pretty or, for some reason, easier) but has a detrimental effect on PvP. Hasn't stopped them before, won't stop them now.
  • linkdown1linkdown1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Why passives ? Why not uniforms ship skins and cosmetic fluff its 99% pvers right ? Oh ya those require actual work.
  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Assuming your using 7 weapons. Next we will assume a 15% crit chance just to be safe followed by that 5% chance to placate. So a .75 of a % chance to proc per volley with what I listed above shouldn't be a huge deal.

    In fact, I would be much more concerned with them adding in 2 new ways to improve crit modifier first with the new passive and the lobi console. It has a huge risk of getting easily out of hand if the modifiers can get too high just look at ground.

    And I"m assuming the kinetic proc is just a DEM like effect and adds damage, not that it coverts the attack into the proc.

    And lastly I'd bet good money that new rom rep ability will result in a Sci Boff ability nerf at some point.
  • broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    bareel wrote: »
    Assuming your using 7 weapons. 20% chance to placate. .

    fixed for you. oh and 2.5% chance for dem proc.

    and phasers are a 2.5% chance as well.
    so 20% chance on a crit for jam on a dhc.
    2.5% chance for dem on a dhc
    2.5% phaser proc on a dhc


    and i assume this applys on pets.................
    Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
    I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
  • tick0tick0 Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    linkdown1 wrote: »
    Why passives ? Why not uniforms ship skins and cosmetic fluff its 99% pvers right ? Oh ya those require actual work.

    Lol! This is so true.
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  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Sigh, just forget it. By the point of season 7 Cryptic might as well just remove the PvP from the game all together. Why they even bothered including it in the first place I don't know.

    Having learned some extra tidbits about the Vesta thanks to the item information on tribble, it's pretty obvious that PvP isn't being remotely considered. I mean damn... A science ship that can mount dual heavy cannons, has sensor analysis and can use danubes.
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  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Nah, let's adapt! I'm sure if we try, we can find some broken ability that can is much more effective than any proc!
  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2012
    If the theory is top level pvp'ers is driving out newcomers, these changes will only hurt the newcomers even more. How many times have we talked about the changes to the game widening the gap between the vets and the newcomers? This will only further increase that. Ppl coming on and saying escorts are OP or claims that ppl are cheating will increase ten fold when some new guy gets vaporized right through his shields and has no idea why.

    You think trics are a problem now? Give them a 5% chance to go straight to hull. I personally however will be shooting HY quantums as fast as my little sci ship can spit them out. Whats a HY quantum good for against a target with no shields? Why even use trannies anymore with a 5% chance to go straight through with even a normal quantum?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Actually I like the passives idea. But I would prefer if you had something like "Captain slots" and could only have 1 in each category. So you gather several of them in different reputations but can only slot few.
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  • kingofsandboxkingofsandbox Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited October 2012
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  • redstarsweredstarswe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    "Please play PVE-missions and buy dilithium with Zen. Do not do PVP, have we not made it clear yet as to what we want you to foucus on?"

    Not really a quote but...

    OH and:

    "Please don't craft your own weapons, please buy weapons with dilithium. Have we not made it clear as to what we want you to focus on?"

    Again, not really a quote.

    We'll see if pvp and crafting ever get the focus.
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  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2012
    crafting...lol

    free aim ground mode...lol

    How many projects have they buried themselves into for months just to release and forget about? These were major season releases, and they are a joke now. How about S8 "a season of balance" where they actually concentrate on fixing all the broken stuff and getting balance back to the force?
  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited October 2012
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    now that's constructive feedback... tell me... why are you writing in this forum at all? You appear to have no wish or hope for the future of STO, and now you just want to drag as many people as you can down with you? Wouldn't it be better if you just moved on to "that better game" and started posting in it's forum instead?
  • kingofsandboxkingofsandbox Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BranFlakes
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BranFlakes

    I'll be checking out that game when it officially launches and is out of beta. I wanna enjoy it without the beta-period bugs and revisions :)
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  • xtremenoob1xtremenoob1 Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    who says I don't post on that forum?

    I'm writing because I'm fetching and fishing for people to come over. This game doesn't deserve the kind of love and care we have sunk into it over these last few years. And frankly at this point neither does most of the player base we tried to help improve at the game either.

    Also, frankly there's no point in any of us giving these losers feedback. They don't listen and they don't care anyway. You see the TRIBBLE that's on tribble right now right?? Tell me -any- of that garbage says "we listened to you guys".

    These changes appear to only improve those that are willing to do scores of grinding and PVE related content. It was kind of good run, but frankly, the game has consistently went downhill since S3. I won't say I'll leave the game outright, but I don't have the time or energy to work on this new method of conning people out of the little resources they get from the game and potentially RL cash for a game that has no interest in improving the only aspect I enjoy.

    It's the same garbage as the fleet shipyard TRIBBLE. KDF has **** ships as is, so hey, let's add a ridiculous grind/resource grind so that player base, that has been f-ed-in-the-a since launch, can finally get comparable escorts to the feds, but still not ... It's been real fun.

    This new grind is on a pure character basis now, (much like the fleet ship purchases,) thus making it impossible for someone with multiple characters (say 11,) to reasonably grind this new system. That would, effectively, ruin the fun of having multiple characters.

    To end, time will tell, but I don't really see anything good coming from these changes.
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,246 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As I understand it 2.5% chance for bonus Kinetic damage with the Kinetic damage having 100% shied pen. Base damage does not turn into Kinetic or get 100% shield pen and the Kinetic damage is tiny (m my numbers showed at around 30damage per proc). So it is kind of like a Plasma proc to hull only not DoT.

    The one that worrys me is over 1k shield hitpoints every 6seconds. So that is 666.6dps you can tank without factoring in resistance. EDIT: then add the one that makes 50% of crit hits heal you!
  • broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    As I understand it 2.5% chance for bonus Kinetic damage with the Kinetic damage having 100% shied pen. Base damage does not turn into Kinetic or get 100% shield pen and the Kinetic damage is tiny (m my numbers showed at around 30damage per proc). So it is kind of like a Plasma proc to hull only not DoT.

    The one that worrys me is over 1k shield hitpoints every 6seconds. So that is 666.6dps you can tank without factoring in resistance. EDIT: then add the one that makes 50% of crit hits heal you!

    that kinetic damage can be speced. we see what happends with phasers being 2.5%

    a good example is my fleet defaint with no rsp or even tss2( only sheild heal atm is brace for impact and borg proc) can solo a doc killing all npc and cube with out dieing. i dont even need the extra sheild hp per sec. tho that might be a better choice for a person that only grinds stf. the dem and plasice passives will not help you in stf but would be uber in pvp.
    Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
    I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
  • broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    These changes appear to only improve those that are willing to do scores of grinding and PVE related content. It was kind of good run, but frankly, the game has consistently went downhill since S3. I won't say I'll leave the game outright, but I don't have the time or energy to work on this new method of conning people out of the little resources they get from the game and potentially RL cash for a game that has no interest in improving the only aspect I enjoy.

    It's the same garbage as the fleet shipyard TRIBBLE. KDF has **** ships as is, so hey, let's add a ridiculous grind/resource grind so that player base, that has been f-ed-in-the-a since launch, can finally get comparable escorts to the feds, but still not ... It's been real fun.

    This new grind is on a pure character basis now, (much like the fleet ship purchases,) thus making it impossible for someone with multiple characters (say 11,) to reasonably grind this new system. That would, effectively, ruin the fun of having multiple characters.

    To end, time will tell, but I don't really see anything good coming from these changes.

    your going way to far i think. this new rep system is very good. with just i think they said 1 hour a week will get you to t5 in 90 days. this rep system is much better then the luck drop gozer gave. also kdf has awesome ships. what they are lacking is skilled players that dont use p2w. they are also lacking uni and skins and story lines.
    Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
    I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
  • gx4th23gx4th23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    ok so im sure by now that everyone has seen the passives on tribble. well 2 passives that stick out. the dem passive and the passive that will give you jams that cant be broken and can be speced. i was told you can get a free jam of 10 secs. even if this is not true even a 3-6 sec jam is way too op. non of this is even needed in pve. so i have to ask, why sub doffs, dem passive and jam passive? are they trying to make all the pvp'ers in this game leave? or is it to bring more pvp'er into it? if its to bring in new blood this is wrong way to do it. im sure you will make alot of people leave. if team a cant see team b and team b cant see team a then what is the point? the dem passive is a 2.5 chance with 100% sheild pen. the jam is a 20% chance that can be boosted.

    "Putting points into the Neural Neutralizer Duty Officer power will now properly increase the duration of the Placate."

    can the jam please be broken using damage? hate to see the kdf or the fed version of the kdf space set get placae plus the passive placae proc. then the dem passive comes in......we know every class will pick these 2 passives. but what about carrier pets? will these passives/procs apply to them as well?

    Do you really think PvP'ers have an effect on Cryptic's bottom line? They're a company. They have no morals. Their goal is to make money as efficiently as possible.

    Now, is that through PvE or PvP?
    "No, there is no real problem with P2W in STO. Obviously, if you fight against someone with an equal level of skill in the game, better equipment will give you an edge. But usually, it is the skill level that determines the outcome, not the P2W." -Logimo
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    falloutx23 wrote: »
    go(ing) straight to hull.

    Not much more to say........
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  • xtremenoob1xtremenoob1 Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    your going way to far i think. this new rep system is very good. with just i think they said 1 hour a week will get you to t5 in 90 days. this rep system is much better then the luck drop gozer gave. also kdf has awesome ships. what they are lacking is skilled players that dont use p2w. they are also lacking uni and skins and story lines.

    So your argument is, 1hr a day "of PVE" on each of my 15 toons will get them all to T5 after 90 15hr days? And this method is easier than doing 10-15 (at about 10 minutes each) elite STFs with fellow PVPers to get the gear I want/need for my toons?

    I'm all for more to do, and a more reliable way to acquire equipment so long as "PVP" is equally rewarded. As it is, as it has been, and obviously as it will remain ... you're rewarded NIL and are required to do PVE.

    Not to mention they made PVP a repeat mission for DIL and the gates have been flooded with AFK d-bags. That should go back to kerrat so all those d-bags can hog up that zone and be worthless somewhere no will care.

    kthxbai
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  • broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    lol so your upset at the rep system when you have 16 toons? wow.......makes no sence since you will be grinding no matter what. how many times did you grind an stf on just 1 toon? how long did it take to even get 1 mk12 item? so if just 1 hour a week for 90 days and u have t5 then its fine. im sure you grind for 2-3 hours for 1 toon. for 1 toon the way it is atm you can grind 24/7 for 5 years and not get 1 mk12 item. think people like you should stop b!tching. btw this topic isent even about stf. maybe head over to the pve fourms and voice complaints perhaps?

    also who says we dont get rewards out of pvp? even if i did not get any dil for doing pvp i would still be in it. i dont play online games for a nintendo game play. even if you call this multi player single mission co-op or what ever how you word it. i play for the pure fact of an actauly human controlling pixles. and winning or losing and having fun doing so is the reward its self. when p2w consoles get involved it makes me not want to play. now we have bs passives getting into the mix making it much worse.
    Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
    I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
  • xtremenoob1xtremenoob1 Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    lol so your upset at the rep system when you have 16 toons? wow.......makes no sence since you will be grinding no matter what. how many times did you grind an stf on just 1 toon? how long did it take to even get 1 mk12 item? so if just 1 hour a week for 90 days and u have t5 then its fine. im sure you grind for 2-3 hours for 1 toon. for 1 toon the way it is atm you can grind 24/7 for 5 years and not get 1 mk12 item. think people like you should stop b!tching. btw this topic isent even about stf. maybe head over to the pve fourms and voice complaints perhaps?

    Can you read? It's the fact that PVP doesn't provide the required marks for this new system.

    As for the passives, they are just stupid.

    As for the actual STF gear, on any given toon I have had to do them 10-20 times to get the proper MK XI/XII drops. 2 of my toons I got the MK XII on the first ISE. 9 more for the engine/def. Done. With a decent group, that's 7-10 minutes each. Not a big deal.

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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    dassemsto wrote: »
    now that's constructive feedback... tell me... why are you writing in this forum at all? You appear to have no wish or hope for the future of STO, and now you just want to drag as many people as you can down with you? Wouldn't it be better if you just moved on to "that better game" and started posting in it's forum instead?

    AGREE.

    I'm bored of hearing the same four people prattle on about Mechwarriot Online etc. if its really so good then **** off and play it. I respect you for getting sick and tired of PVP neglect and going off to find greener grass. How about you guys respect that some of us do wish to stay in STO for whatever reason.
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  • starcommando101starcommando101 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    AGREE.

    I'm bored of hearing the same four people prattle on about Mechwarriot Online etc. if its really so good then **** off and play it. I respect you for getting sick and tired of PVP neglect and going off to find greener grass. How about you guys respect that some of us do wish to stay in STO for whatever reason.

    This 100%
    Seriously, go...
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  • broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    well there is people that have done over 1000 runs and did not even get a mk12 item. so im very happy that you did recieve the "luck" drop. to be honest pvp should not get the marks needed for rep system to be honest. has nothing to do with this bs story line they got going. was hoping the star base would get an opposing fleet to take it over and that would be ground/space pvp. with fleet marks.
    Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
    I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
  • reichwald12reichwald12 Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The concept behind the passives is great. Many mmos have had alternate advancement-type systems.

    Personally, I'm looking at them along with the plans to dampen survivability through the Borg set nerf, possible changes to Tac Team, etc. With that in mind, the survivability passives appear quite logical.

    My concern is with the ability of the kinetic proc to not only be affected by tac buffs, but to proc repeatedly and often due to CRF.

    I hope that they take a look at that one. The others seem quite fine to me and offer genuine choices.
  • broken1981broken1981 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    My concern is with the ability of the kinetic proc to not only be affected by tac buffs, but to proc repeatedly and often due to CRF.

    I hope that they take a look at that one. The others seem quite fine to me and offer genuine choices.

    so you see nothing wrong with a free jam that cant be broken by damage? and possibly speced to last 10 secs?
    Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
    I can throw [Fireworks] at you and hope you catch on fire and burn to death lol
  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    well there is people that have done over 1000 runs and did not even get a mk12 item

    really......?
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