Yay for space content! Question: Will only the new content be award Romulan marks, or will existing Fleet Events also reward them? The concern being that if folks are solely going for the new Romulan marks, they may begin to ignore the existing Fleet-only mark events (No Win Scenario, FFA, etc.) entirely.
I surely hope that before this "Azure" mission gets released, that the "Azura" mission (Ya know? The first mission in the game?) gets fixed so that new players and toons can actually advance in the game!
Yeah, because the Romulans and Klingons didn't work together against the Federation, other Klingons, or other Romulans in numerous instances known and indicated - and it wasn't just the Duras. This, by the way, would be the third type. New Romulus is a new splinter from what's left of the RSE. From the text in the various events, they appear to be enemies of the Tal'shiar and allies of Obisek's Remans, which would presumably mean they're enemies of Rator III as well, but with Sela out of the picture Rator might not matter in the current picture.
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I understand the mechanics and Fed./Klinks putting the war aside to fight the Borg. But a armistice even temporary to help a bunch of romulan refugees - which will likely be killed in less then a day then Sela returns from the Iconians with the Iconians?
Starfleet accepting the aid of the Klingons that we are at war with to work together to save Romulans we both cant stand ......:rolleyes:
At least its a guaranteed battle to face the Tholian ships, Ive yet to encounter them in the current fleet missions I did before I got bored of the grind.
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Starfleet accepting the aid of the Klingons that we are at war with to work together to save Romulans we both cant stand ......:rolleyes:
At least its a guaranteed battle to face the Tholian ships, Ive yet to encounter them in the current fleet missions I did before I got bored of the grind.
Starfleet and the KDF are already working together to keep the Borg out of their space... what's another enemy at this point?
And besides, the Klingons are only 'helping' the Romulans to gather intel for their future invasion plans Or so I'm assuming
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I understand the mechanics and Fed./Klinks putting the war aside to fight the Borg. But a armistice even temporary to help a bunch of romulan refugees - which will likely be killed in less then a day then Sela returns from the Iconians with the Iconians?
Same thing as the Defera truce against the Breen. D...err... Ship waving in front of an emerging neutral power in a strategically useful position.
Hasn't the story of the Federation and the Klingons always been one of back and forth?
TOS: They're practically enemies.
TNG: They're practically allies.
DS9: About 3 flip-flops? From friend to enemy to ally against the Dominion.
STO: Enemies due in part to the Undine infiltration pulling similar tricks to the Founders. Now, after fighting the Borg, perhaps a temporary truce? And as one said, perhaps so they can get intel of their own so it's not a completely selfless act.
Well, once again PWE/Cryptic gives yet another ef you to Star Trek's canon lore.
Like I said above, they're probably only doing that so they can get good valuable intel about the Romulan colonies nearby
And then use that intel in their planning.
And also, the game's events are non-canon anyway. Anything you like or don't like doesn't count affect anything anyway, if you don't want it to. So nothing they do screws canon in the first place
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I have not yet logged into Tribble, so this may be a moot point. There are 2 Azure nebulas now? There the one in Omega Leonis SB and now there's one in the new SB?
Like the STFs, now. You can join a queue and have a mixed-faction team.
Cheers,
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Didn't notice you guys did that finally haha, I gave up on STF's because we wwere forced to mega-grind. Glad to see STF teams can finally be multi-faction.
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I think the Klingon/Romulan thing comes from a fan misinterpretation, trying to treat individual Klingons from the show as representatives of the culture.
Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.
As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.
My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:
You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.
You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.
It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)
It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
I think the Klingon/Romulan thing comes from a fan misinterpretation, trying to treat individual Klingons from the show as representatives of the culture.
Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.
As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.
My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:
You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.
You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.
It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)
It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
Very cool read, thx for posting that. I love the idea that there isn't just 1 type of Klingon. They haven't "evolved" into a homogenized race like humans where all we care about is discovery, and expanding human potential.
I think the Klingon/Romulan thing comes from a fan misinterpretation, trying to treat individual Klingons from the show as representatives of the culture.
Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.
As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.
My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:
You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.
You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.
It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)
It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
Very insightful! I just figured the Klingons wanted to be a good example to this new Romulan colony - "We're helping you get your ships back. Now follow our example and start acting honorably!"
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Thanks stoleviathan. I also see it as good for the KDF, that way we can join in activities with the Federation and get more gameplay. Also makes it easier for Branflakes when he does his get together's in game and not have to worry about setting up anything for the die-hard KDF fans who show up.
Ideally someday we would have 3 full factions with meaningful PVP, perhaps even a full blown FvF (faction vs faction zone). Ok I will wake up...
yah that will keep me interested... exactly as long as it takes to max out that Reputation syste...
oh Reputation System requires to pay dilithium!
Epic plan, make them play content that does not give Dilithium, take Dilithium every step of the way.
Cryptic what do you not understand about "TIME BASED CURRENCY" i spend time, i get it, that's the Deal.
I don't ask for 1440 dilithium for each 5 minute map you produce... but heck add 250 dilithium and i feel like i'm progressing somewhere towards my 8000 per day.
If DOff assignments give Dilithium in that range for a double click, why not give it when i actually PLAY the game itself?
Storywise, I appreciate the cooperation between the Federation and (its future members!) Klingons and Romulans. These powers are only at war with each other because of Iconian/Undine subversion. Pax Galactica!
Personally, I'd also like to see Dilithium added as a reward. There are a number of missions where you can earn it in sufficient quantities, but it requires travelling around alot.
Does anyone not think that ending the war between the Federation and Klingon Empire is a good idea?
I think ending the war is a bad idea. At least ending it the way the game seems to be going that is.
Ending it without ever truely building it up to a point that allowed the player to work through the reasons why the war is what it is, overcome those reasons through working the storyline missions and then in the finality of endgame finish the war to fight the greater foe.
We as players have been in a war we never truelly got to play through, and now it seems just becuase the storyline has been ignored so long its gonna be ok to just walk away from that undeveloped storyline and just change gears for no other reason, offer no wrap-up to the lose ends that STO is riddled with before moving ahead to the future.
As to the whole, The Klingon people is divided on thier hate of the feds or thier hate of the romulans.
"The IP shows this".
I disagree.
The IP has never shown the Klingon people getting buddy-buddy with the Romulans unless said Klingon or KDF house was working with the Romulans to iether gain power in the High council through treachery or to undermine the existing ruling structure to place themselves in the seat of power.
We fought alongside but did not trust them in the Dominion war. Why would we suddenly go soft hearted and trust them now? Working like a Missionary institution to help rather than be ourselves and attempt to conquer while the time is ripe?
No, I say that the game and its backstory is being twisted to whatever the Devs thinks makes thier most recent addition easier and to hell with the game past stories left on thier ear becuase of it.
"The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade," Chancellor Martok, quote"
I guess JmPok is an Undine becuase the KDF is sure not acting Klingon at all. Frankly, we are just being portrayed like the federation even against the basic viewpoint and ideals of our own society.
We fought alongside but did not trust them in the Dominion war. Why would we suddenly go soft hearted and trust them now?
Maybe they'd buttering up this new Romulan colony. Or maybe it's the same deal as in the Dominion War: they need more fighting power, so they're reluctantly trying to get more allies.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
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Okay that's not your best season 7 mission so far as it is on tribble, but some people might like it because it's really incredibly easy.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I assume the Fed./Klingon war ends before Season 7 launch?
2) Klingons helping Romulans?
I assume every Klingon is dead and replaced with an Undine doppelganger, pursuing an hidden romulan friendly Agenda?
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Cheers,
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Shhhh, remember not to take this game seriously in the trek universe. This game is about as far from cannon as you can get.
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I understand the mechanics and Fed./Klinks putting the war aside to fight the Borg. But a armistice even temporary to help a bunch of romulan refugees - which will likely be killed in less then a day then Sela returns from the Iconians with the Iconians?
At least its a guaranteed battle to face the Tholian ships, Ive yet to encounter them in the current fleet missions I did before I got bored of the grind.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
And besides, the Klingons are only 'helping' the Romulans to gather intel for their future invasion plans Or so I'm assuming
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Same thing as the Defera truce against the Breen. D...err... Ship waving in front of an emerging neutral power in a strategically useful position.
So, the Federation get a strategically useful position against the klingons by working with the klingons and the klinks don't see it coming?
Well, once again PWE/Cryptic gives yet another ef you to Star Trek's canon lore.
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TOS: They're practically enemies.
TNG: They're practically allies.
DS9: About 3 flip-flops? From friend to enemy to ally against the Dominion.
STO: Enemies due in part to the Undine infiltration pulling similar tricks to the Founders. Now, after fighting the Borg, perhaps a temporary truce? And as one said, perhaps so they can get intel of their own so it's not a completely selfless act.
And then use that intel in their planning.
And also, the game's events are non-canon anyway. Anything you like or don't like doesn't count affect anything anyway, if you don't want it to. So nothing they do screws canon in the first place
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
O fight next to this guy fighting the Borg, but I come across him in Eta Eridani and we attack each other? Really?
Didn't notice you guys did that finally haha, I gave up on STF's because we wwere forced to mega-grind. Glad to see STF teams can finally be multi-faction.
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I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.
As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.
My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:
You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.
You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.
It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)
It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
Very cool read, thx for posting that. I love the idea that there isn't just 1 type of Klingon. They haven't "evolved" into a homogenized race like humans where all we care about is discovery, and expanding human potential.
Very insightful! I just figured the Klingons wanted to be a good example to this new Romulan colony - "We're helping you get your ships back. Now follow our example and start acting honorably!"
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Ideally someday we would have 3 full factions with meaningful PVP, perhaps even a full blown FvF (faction vs faction zone). Ok I will wake up...
yah that will keep me interested... exactly as long as it takes to max out that Reputation syste...
oh Reputation System requires to pay dilithium!
Epic plan, make them play content that does not give Dilithium, take Dilithium every step of the way.
Cryptic what do you not understand about "TIME BASED CURRENCY" i spend time, i get it, that's the Deal.
I don't ask for 1440 dilithium for each 5 minute map you produce... but heck add 250 dilithium and i feel like i'm progressing somewhere towards my 8000 per day.
If DOff assignments give Dilithium in that range for a double click, why not give it when i actually PLAY the game itself?
Storywise, I appreciate the cooperation between the Federation and (its future members!) Klingons and Romulans. These powers are only at war with each other because of Iconian/Undine subversion. Pax Galactica!
Personally, I'd also like to see Dilithium added as a reward. There are a number of missions where you can earn it in sufficient quantities, but it requires travelling around alot.
R.I.P
Maybe they'd buttering up this new Romulan colony. Or maybe it's the same deal as in the Dominion War: they need more fighting power, so they're reluctantly trying to get more allies.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone