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intrepid74656intrepid74656 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Looking through all the weapon types on http://www.stowiki.org/Category:Ship_Weapons and what kind of quad cannons there are I found a minor inconvenience. The Klingons have the ability to get a Disruptor Quad Cannon + Polarized Disruptors while the Federation doesn't have the option to use Polarized weaponry in combination with the Quad Cannon.

Shouldn't there be Polarized Phasers in the game aswell?

And yes I know there are Phased Tetryon weapons but when you have a Phaser Quad Cannon you can't stack your tactical consoles.
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  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited October 2012
    I'd rather wait until the next weapon hybrid and get something like Phased Plasma weapons (Phasers with plasma proc).

    Sure disruptors are nice but so is the plasma proc.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Not sure if we will see anything to do with phasers the next box since we had the phased tetryon weapons. Might end up going with different types...but hopefully not something with plasma as the damage unless they change the mods on stf space gear.
  • intrepid74656intrepid74656 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Phased tetryons are something completely different. The thing is, Klingons can have their cake (quad cannon) and eat it too (dubble procs)!

    I want to be able to have weapons with dubble proc while using phasers or make the disruptor quad cannon available for Federation to balance things out.
    I'd rather wait until the next weapon hybrid and get something like Phased Plasma weapons (Phasers with plasma proc).

    Sure disruptors are nice but so is the plasma proc.
    Phased Plasma would suggest that you have a basic plasma weapon with the phaser proc. not the other way around.
    And the plasma proc is probably the worst proc to have imho.
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  • tlamstriketlamstrike Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    And the phaser proc is probably the worst proc to have imho.

    The phaser proc is possibly one of the best for PvP.
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  • intrepid74656intrepid74656 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Not sure if we will see anything to do with phasers the next box since we had the phased tetryon weapons. Might end up going with different types...but hopefully not something with plasma as the damage unless they change the mods on stf space gear.
    tlamstrike wrote: »
    The phaser proc is possibly one of the best for PvP.

    I ment plasma. Fixed.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    *sigh* I'm not even sure how to tackle this one. Best just to get started.

    Ok, to start, there will probably end up being Polarized Phasers, or Phased Polarons (hopefully the latter) in the future. I don't doubt that in the slightest. There will probably eventually be something like a Tetryon-Disruptor hybrid and such.

    Secondly, why is it that you must bring up the Klingon's having X, so the Feds MUST now have access to X? You did that in two ways, the first just wanting these Polarized Phasers, and the second was saying Feds should get Quad Disruptor Cannons.

    Third, the Quad Cannons are good for leveling, but that's about ALL. Seriously, no Acc modifiers, no CrtD or CrtH, just that Dmg x4, fine for leveling and general PvE, but not really useful otherwise. I only use my Quad Disruptors sometimes because I like how they look firing from my Bortasqu' as I shoot my CRF 1 at Borg and such.

    Fourth, you said that Klingons can 'have their cake and eat it too'. Well, Feds have their 'cake, and eat it too', and on top of that, steal from everybody else's slice. You want more, and give up nothing in return. Even if Klingons got Quad Phasers in return, it wouldn't be that useful for them at all, for the same reasons you've given in the first place about not having Polarized-Phasers and such.

    I don't play exclusively KDF, or Fed, but all this want, want, want, is selfish and heavily self-centered.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • intrepid74656intrepid74656 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    *sigh* I'm not even sure how to tackle this one. Best just to get started.

    Ok, to start, there will probably end up being Polarized Phasers, or Phased Polarons (hopefully the latter) in the future. I don't doubt that in the slightest. There will probably eventually be something like a Tetryon-Disruptor hybrid and such.

    Secondly, why is it that you must bring up the Klingon's having X, so the Feds MUST now have access to X? You did that in two ways, the first just wanting these Polarized Phasers, and the second was saying Feds should get Quad Disruptor Cannons.

    It's either not both. And preferably the Polarized Phasers then the Quad Disruptor Cannons.
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Third, the Quad Cannons are good for leveling, but that's about ALL. Seriously, no Acc modifiers, no CrtD or CrtH, just that Dmg x4, fine for leveling and general PvE, but not really useful otherwise. I only use my Quad Disruptors sometimes because I like how they look firing from my Bortasqu' as I shoot my CRF 1 at Borg and such.

    I like the sight from quad cannons shooting from a Defiant too. And with a CRF3 quad cannons should prove a bit more effective even without the other modifiers.
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Fourth, you said that Klingons can 'have their cake and eat it too'. Well, Feds have their 'cake, and eat it too', and on top of that, steal from everybody else's slice.

    Care to explain? Got no clue what you are on about here.
    mimey2 wrote: »
    You want more, and give up nothing in return.

    What would be there to give up?
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Even if Klingons got Quad Phasers in return, it wouldn't be that useful for them at all, for the same reasons you've given in the first place about not having Polarized-Phasers and such.

    I don't play exclusively KDF, or Fed, but all this want, want, want, is selfish and heavily self-centered.

    Wanting might not be the best word here as it does come off self-centered. Wishing then?
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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    sO, it kind of breaks down like this in my mind.

    The Klingons can have their cake and eat it too ?
    Sorry ... what ?

    Ok, let's go with analogy for a minute.

    The Feds have their cake, the pie, the cookies, the whip cream, some ice cream, sprinkles, hot fudge and the cherry on top. Oh and they eat all of it, including the stupid cake :D

    This is a stupid thing to complain about. Sorry. After the shaft the KDF has gotten historically, you choose to complain about this ?
    Sorry.
    Go read all about cryptic's shameful history with the KDF, and then come complain about KDF getting something the feds can't get.

    /no sympathy
  • intrepid74656intrepid74656 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Let's see...

    going off of raw comparison of hulls, the Federation has a nice, wide selection of specialized designs, including a full line of Science ships, plus time-ships, flatly better Escorts at every level (sorry, the Raptor turn-pivot is outright crippling against a Federation Escort, while the BoP is the nearest thing to a post-commander sci vessel in the Klink inventory until you get the lockbox ship-but without most of the inherent, non-console advantages Federation sci vessels have), Feds have Carriers-and good ones at that, with integral point-defense systems absent from the entire KDF inventory unless you're very lucky at lockbox lottery.

    (Oh, and the lockbox PD systems don't work with anything but Disruptors for KDF, just as they only work for Phasers in Fed play).

    Phasers have (still) got some of the best inherent Procs in the game for PvP. (arguably better than Disruptors by a signficant margin, all other quality modifiers being equal)

    fed Cruisers are better at tanking than KDF cruisers, which sacrifice toughness for a small increase in manueverability (which is kind of like putting afterburners on an AC-130, really...),

    FedScorts have more hull, more weapons, more turn, (pick any two-BoPs sacrifice hull and weapons/damage for turning and being half-assed science ship replacements). Fedscort at every level has more than their KDF level-equivalents.

    and Feds get their science ships for free. There IS NO KDF sci ship you do not pay Zen/C-points for. With those sci ships, Feds get a nice selection of inherent science-ship powers and a bonus to sensors to get through KDF cloaking.

    We have NOTHING that matches that for the price. zip, nada, not a damn thing.
    Forgive me but the last time I checked Klingons were fierce warriors that find scientists P?tachs.
    I understand that it would be nice to do something with science at KDF side but I think Cryptic made a fine basis for the KDF.
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Polarized Disruptors are only available through opening lockboxes, or finding one on the Exchange-at an exhorbitant price, so really KDF don't get much of a deal there.

    So, when a Fed starts puling about KDF "getting thier cake and eating it too" I really, seriously have to wonder the following:

    1. What has said fed been smoking?
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    patrickngo wrote: »
    2. Has he even LOOKED at the "selection" of ships/equipment his faction already offers/has, and compared it rationally to what the KDF gets at the same level, for the same pricing?
    I've been over the prices just now and I agree, they look high. But this is merely a look in the zen store rather then going over all the stats of the ships and comparing prices.
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Klinks get a FEW things that differ from Federation, very few. Fewer since the Feds started fielding two of the best Carrier types in the game, and fewer still since faction-exclusive pay-consoles started cross-faction availability via Lockboxes.
    If you mean the Isometric Charge console, it isn't worth it. I tried it because I thought it would do same amount of damage the NPC Neg'Vars would do but no luck there.
    As for the torpedo point defense system of the feds, well it ain't that good in PvE. Just gets you alot of unwanted attention. I can't speak for PvP.
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Polarized Disruptors are one of those "few things" we get, that you don't-but stacked against what Fed side gets without spending a dime, it's not that big a deal, it's not going to make that Hegh'ta Bird of Prey a total Defiant-slayer, or make a Qin more effective against an MVAM or Defiant-R (or Fleet Defiant/Sao Paulo), it won't make a Vor'cha tank better against a Regent/Sovereign/etc.

    it's just another weapon with another funky name, and sooner or later, if it's popular, it'll turn up in Federation colours with a Federation name.

    Isn't unpopular the problem then with KDF then if so little improvements are released?
    hippiejon wrote: »
    sO, it kind of breaks down like this in my mind.

    The Klingons can have their cake and eat it too ?
    Sorry ... what ?

    Ok, let's go with analogy for a minute.

    The Feds have their cake, the pie, the cookies, the whip cream, some ice cream, sprinkles, hot fudge and the cherry on top. Oh and they eat all of it, including the stupid cake :D
    That's what we huumaans do ;)
    hippiejon wrote: »
    This is a stupid thing to complain about. Sorry. After the shaft the KDF has gotten historically, you choose to complain about this ?
    Sorry.
    Go read all about cryptic's shameful history with the KDF, and then come complain about KDF getting something the feds can't get.
    I'm not holding you back of making your own thread with suggestions/wishes for the KDF. Maybe you'll get a Rokeg blood pie with Racht next to it accompanied by some Firewine!
    hippiejon wrote: »
    /no sympathy
    No sympathy required. It is merely an observation and a wish to implement if/when possible.
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  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Feds have exclusive access to Polarized Tetryon weapons, enjoy your cake and stop complaining
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  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited October 2012
    Still want Plasma-infused Phasers.

    Then again might as well just use plasma. Fine for PVE and, cos noone thinks they are any good, you can get Mk XII purple consoles for them at 1/5 the price of phaser/disruptor/antiproton consoles.

    Plus the console that boosts plasma energy weapon damage also boosts the DOT effect of plasma torps and mines. Which is nice.
  • shakesfistatskyshakesfistatsky Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I know the common logic is that plasma is useless at endgame but why exactly? Is it because everyone has resistance to it by then?
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I see no issue with the amount science the KDF has.

    I want anti-Phased Proton weapons

    The Iso shock attack is/was quite devastating though inacurate when buffed by the Ta powers and such.
    Maybe they nerfed it on putting in a lockbox? Who knows?

    I don' t wont cake but completion.

    I think all existing energy or physical melee or space or ground should be availible as part of the random drop mechanic.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I know the common logic is that plasma is useless at endgame but why exactly? Is it because everyone has resistance to it by then?

    The Borg use plasma. Lots of STF equipment is anti plasma for borg battling.
    Or so the thought goes.

    I actually thought that plasma had gotten a buff recently.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Forgive me but the last time I checked Klingons were fierce warriors that find scientists P?tachs.
    I understand that it would be nice to do something with science at KDF side but I think Cryptic made a fine basis for the KDF.


    Lucky Strike.


    I've been over the prices just now and I agree, they look high. But this is merely a look in the zen store rather then going over all the stats of the ships and comparing prices.


    If you mean the Isometric Charge console, it isn't worth it. I tried it because I thought it would do same amount of damage the NPC Neg'Vars would do but no luck there.
    As for the torpedo point defense system of the feds, well it ain't that good in PvE. Just gets you alot of unwanted attention. I can't speak for PvP.



    Isn't unpopular the problem then with KDF then if so little improvements are released?


    That's what we huumaans do ;)


    I'm not holding you back of making your own thread with suggestions/wishes for the KDF. Maybe you'll get a Rokeg blood pie with Racht next to it accompanied by some Firewine!


    No sympathy required. It is merely an observation and a wish to implement if/when possible.

    So many things wrong, first off want to talk about the warrior part and all? Feds are supposed to be peace lovers? Then why do two fed fleet ships have 5 tac consoles and neither raptors or bops have 5?

    Your really out of your mind if you thought the isometric charge is going to be as powerful as the npc versions...I bet your upset you can't do 6 digit damage numbers with a HY Plasma torp like borg can right? I bet you probably don't even have any skills in particle generators.

    You know...just in case you couldn't figure it out...you can wield polarized disruptors as a fed, its not like they are exclusive to the kdf.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's either not both. And preferably the Polarized Phasers then the Quad Disruptor Cannons.

    I like the sight from quad cannons shooting from a Defiant too. And with a CRF3 quad cannons should prove a bit more effective even without the other modifiers.

    Care to explain? Got no clue what you are on about here.

    What would be there to give up?

    Wanting might not be the best word here as it does come off self-centered. Wishing then?

    Ok, either but not both, I can go with that a bit more, and I am guessing these Polarized Phasers wouldn't be Fed-exclusive of course.

    True though, CRF 3 Quads are quite pretty, on either side.

    Well, about Feds 'having their cake, eating it, and stealing everyone else's cake', is mostly going on that there are Fed-only players who come onto these forums, and pretty much whine and complain about Klingon's having 'X', and that Fed's should have 'X' too. I know you are newer to these forums, so you haven't seen a lot of that, but it has still happened a lot in the game.

    That's also why you've gotten such a rather negative response on this thread from several people already, because it seems to be another one of those kinds of threads is all.

    In turn, the Devs have bent to all this whining in the past, and given them what they want, and it doesn't help they keep doing it with the lockboxes by trading consoles over now.

    A couple examples of that include things like having playable Klingons on the Fed-side, all the anti-cloaking devices Feds have, and so on.

    As for what there would be to give up, if they just added Polarized Phasers, not much since Klingons could use them just fine still, I was mostly referring to the Quad cannons with that line.

    And wanting is fine, wishing is ok, just don't have your reasoning be that 'because Klingon's have 'X', Feds should have 'X' too'.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • xcom43xcom43 Member Posts: 723 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I am just going to say the KDF is kinda getting a little too much Focus right now.

    There is stuff on the Fed's side that need's too Be fixed.

    Right now the Dev's need to Worry about Fixing bug's on ESD and other place's be cause it is such a mess.

    But in many way's The Fed Side is kinda getting Ignored and they are focusing on the KDF side a little too much.
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  • reallydumbpwereallydumbpwe Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xcom43 wrote: »
    I am just going to say the KDF is kinda getting a little too much Focus right now.

    But in many way's The Fed Side is kinda getting Ignored and they are focusing on the KDF side a little too much.

    Let me guess.. you're from the Mirror Universe. KDF getting TOO MUCH focus?

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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xcom43 wrote: »
    I am just going to say the KDF is kinda getting a little too much Focus right now.

    There is stuff on the Fed's side that need's too Be fixed.

    Right now the Dev's need to Worry about Fixing bug's on ESD and other place's be cause it is such a mess.

    But in many way's The Fed Side is kinda getting Ignored and they are focusing on the KDF side a little too much.

    Little to much focus, excuse me? Are you nuts? When is the last time the KDF has got any focus? I dare you to tell me...I really do.

    People these days, seems like the forum is getting more and more delusional people. I can't believe the stuff that feds has wrote...stuff like this and stuff like the KDF is well off...maybe even better than feds.

    I just hope people aren't stupid enough to read it and think its true.
  • intrepid74656intrepid74656 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    So many things wrong, first off want to talk about the warrior part and all? Feds are supposed to be peace lovers? Then why do two fed fleet ships have 5 tac consoles and neither raptors or bops have 5?
    My suggestion, make a thread in the KDF section and complain/wish/demand there. Don't ask me why Feds have 5 tac console ships. Maybe this is a good point where Cryptic got it wrong for the KDF.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Your really out of your mind if you thought the isometric charge is going to be as powerful as the npc versions...I bet your upset you can't do 6 digit damage numbers with a HY Plasma torp like borg can right? I bet you probably don't even have any skills in particle generators.
    I assumed it would do about the same in damage, but assumption is the mother of all f'ups.
    And I have 6 skillpoints in particle generators, your point?
    lianthelia wrote: »
    You know...just in case you couldn't figure it out...you can wield polarized disruptors as a fed, its not like they are exclusive to the kdf.
    Not with the disruptor quad cannon, my enitre point.

    mimey2 wrote: »
    Ok, either but not both, I can go with that a bit more, and I am guessing these Polarized Phasers wouldn't be Fed-exclusive of course.
    Just to flip you guys off I should say: Yes, exclusive to feds =). But no, not more exclusive then the Polarized Disruptors would be just fine.
    mimey2 wrote: »
    True though, CRF 3 Quads are quite pretty, on either side.

    Well, about Feds 'having their cake, eating it, and stealing everyone else's cake', is mostly going on that there are Fed-only players who come onto these forums, and pretty much whine and complain about Klingon's having 'X', and that Fed's should have 'X' too. I know you are newer to these forums, so you haven't seen a lot of that, but it has still happened a lot in the game.
    I'm mostly a lurker and only started posting by starting this thread. Though I'm a fed player and keep lurking in feds threads, this has opened up some new insights into the KDF.
    mimey2 wrote: »
    That's also why you've gotten such a rather negative response on this thread from several people already, because it seems to be another one of those kinds of threads is all.
    I think it's not so bad. People are allowed to argue here, right? That's what I'll do. Some people won't get a reply because they make some rather boring non-sticking statement.
    mimey2 wrote: »
    In turn, the Devs have bent to all this whining in the past, and given them what they want, and it doesn't help they keep doing it with the lockboxes by trading consoles over now.

    A couple examples of that include things like having playable Klingons on the Fed-side, all the anti-cloaking devices Feds have, and so on.

    As for what there would be to give up, if they just added Polarized Phasers, not much since Klingons could use them just fine still, I was mostly referring to the Quad cannons with that line.
    Not sure I understand the last part. Should the feds give up the quad cannons?
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    If they aren't exclusive, that's fine. I wouldn't mind these really.

    Well, I can't speak for any KDF player except myself, nor will I try to. But for myself, I don't mind things being added into the game, like for example, if these Polarized Phasers were added. What I don't like, is that they add things for the Feds, and usually only the Feds, sometimes to the point of even taking it away from the KDF (like the console swapping they do in the lockboxes).

    Debating and everything is good, wouldn't be a forum if we didn't. So much though, there's just been things like, 'Waaaahhh! The dirty, rotten Klingons have X! We need X or something to counter X! Waaaahhh!' You aren't doing that of course, not in the slightest.

    Well, what I meant with all that, is that you were wanting Quad Disruptors possibly to use with Polarized Disruptors, but saying you wanted to give up nothing in return there at the start. I'm not saying Feds need to give up anything, just that the KDF shouldn't have to lose something they have though just so Feds can have it too.

    I have a hunch, regardless of anything else, they might make a 'swap' eventually be the Quad Cannons.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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