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Fleets and Teams Currently Participating
Guide: Bold indicates definite participation, italics indicates potential participation, underline indicates individual participation
Turkish RP Heroes - Pax has indicated TRP may participate, now awaiting team member names.
-X-treme - amidoinitright has indicated he will attempt to bring -X-treme on board. If not, he will indicate which team he will attach to.
Sad Pandas - The following are participating from Sad Pandas
@marctraider (MT)
@naz1911 (Naz)
@hurleybird (Jorf)
Federation Emergency Services - guriphu has indicated FES may participate, now awaiting team member names.
I'm not sure there's enough participation yet for this weekend, but who knows? We might get enough just today that we could do it this weekend.
If you want to sign up, please fill out the following form and post it in reply to this thread, and I will add you to the list:
Team <name>: - this will be your team's name. This is just a formality, to make it easier on me
, so that I don't have to refer to you as "Naz and Jorf and ...". If you are not a fleeted team that's OK, that's what the next part's for, but you still need a team name, like "Pax's Team".
Team Members: - List the @handles of the members that will form your team. Please indicate which member of the team will serve as the team's leader (for organizational purposes).
Pledges: - Please indicate any pledged amounts of EC (if any). This is not a requirement, but if any participant would like to pledge some EC to the prize money, please indicate here the @handle of that participant and the amount of EC pledged.
Time Zones & Dates: - Please indicate here the best dates and times that your team can play. If possible, list several, because I'm going to be using this to pin down a time to host this thing.
IMPORTANT NOTE: As the host of this event, I will volunteer myself to be one of the observers, since as host it would not be appropriate for me to participate anyway. However, I would like someone to volunteer to be the secondary observer (on the other team). If you'd like to volunteer either respond to this thread or PM me (either in game - @ProjectOctober, or here in the forums).
PaxOttoman has graciously offered the TRP Teamspeak server for this event. I accept your offer, Pax, thank you very much for this. When the time comes I will contact all team leaders with the TS info, in the meantime, Pax, could you PM me with that info?
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I'm not wealthy enough to afford prizes, but I know some of you are. The only thing I can offer is EC (and not that much of it), but I can chip in around 80million worth to the prize money if it'll encourage people to compete.
So what of it guys? You think we can convince more fleets to join the tournament? We'd need to pin down a date and time, and give people time to prepare. I'd propose a weekend, maybe something like the 20th of October, to begin the tournament?
Depending on participation it could be either single elimination or double elimination.
And we'd have to set ground rules for the tournament. I propose the following:
Tier 1: The following Duty Officers and Consoles are banned as Tier 1. No captain participating in this tournament is permitted to carry any number of these.
- Subnucleonic Beam Duty Officer
Tier 2: The following Duty Officers and Consoles are restricted as Tier 2. A team (of 5) is only permitted to carry one of these.
- Theta Radiation Vents
- Graviton Pulse
- Siphon Drones (only one carrier is permitted to equip these. If the team has more than one carrier the other(s) MUST equip something else)
- Danube Runabout (only one carrier is permitted to equip these. If the team has more than one carrier the other(s) MUST equip something else)
- Antimatter Spread
- Plasmonic Leech
- Aceton Assimilator
Failure to do this will be grounds for immediate disqualification from the tournament. It is a three-strikes policy per team.
In other words, say Critz has a team of 5. If one of theirs decides to equip 3 Subnuke doffs, that player is immediately disqualified, but the team is not, and is permitted to slot another to take his place. However, if this happens three times, the team is disqualified.
Tournament will likely take place in a private match, with a neutral vessel (who is required to remove the weapons from his ship and remain at least 20km away from the action) to act as referee, and to ensure the rules of the tournament are being followed.
I think those rules are fair, but if we do this I'm open to hammering out something better if you think I missed something.
I think a tournament could also raise awareness and interest in PvP again. If anybody has anything they'd like to contribute to the prizes, please let me know! So far, of the 80million, I envision:
50 million to the first-prize team (split 5 ways)
25 million to the second-prize team (split 5 ways)
5 million to the third-prize team (split 5 ways)
EDIT: I don't think the tournament necessarily needs to be fleets only. We can have pugmade teams participate, as long as they're recorded down and given a temporary team name (even something like, "Naz's team").
Fleets and Teams Currently Participating
Guide: Bold indicates definite participation, italics indicates potential participation, underline indicates individual participation
Turkish RP Heroes - Pax has indicated TRP may participate, now awaiting team member names.
-X-treme - amidoinitright has indicated he will attempt to bring -X-treme on board. If not, he will indicate which team he will attach to.
Sad Pandas - The following are participating from Sad Pandas
@marctraider (MT)
@naz1911 (Naz)
@hurleybird (Jorf)
Federation Emergency Services - guriphu has indicated FES may participate, now awaiting team member names.
I'm not sure there's enough participation yet for this weekend, but who knows? We might get enough just today that we could do it this weekend.
If you want to sign up, please fill out the following form and post it in reply to this thread, and I will add you to the list:
Team <name>: - this will be your team's name. This is just a formality, to make it easier on me
, so that I don't have to refer to you as "Naz and Jorf and ...". If you are not a fleeted team that's OK, that's what the next part's for, but you still need a team name, like "Pax's Team".Team Members: - List the @handles of the members that will form your team. Please indicate which member of the team will serve as the team's leader (for organizational purposes).
Pledges: - Please indicate any pledged amounts of EC (if any). This is not a requirement, but if any participant would like to pledge some EC to the prize money, please indicate here the @handle of that participant and the amount of EC pledged.
Time Zones & Dates: - Please indicate here the best dates and times that your team can play. If possible, list several, because I'm going to be using this to pin down a time to host this thing.
IMPORTANT NOTE: As the host of this event, I will volunteer myself to be one of the observers, since as host it would not be appropriate for me to participate anyway. However, I would like someone to volunteer to be the secondary observer (on the other team). If you'd like to volunteer either respond to this thread or PM me (either in game - @ProjectOctober, or here in the forums).
PaxOttoman has graciously offered the TRP Teamspeak server for this event. I accept your offer, Pax, thank you very much for this. When the time comes I will contact all team leaders with the TS info, in the meantime, Pax, could you PM me with that info?
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I'm not wealthy enough to afford prizes, but I know some of you are
. The only thing I can offer is EC (and not that much of it), but I can chip in around 80million worth to the prize money if it'll encourage people to compete.So what of it guys? You think we can convince more fleets to join the tournament? We'd need to pin down a date and time, and give people time to prepare. I'd propose a weekend, maybe something like the 20th of October, to begin the tournament?
Depending on participation it could be either single elimination or double elimination.
And we'd have to set ground rules for the tournament. I propose the following:
Tier 1: The following Duty Officers and Consoles are banned as Tier 1. No captain participating in this tournament is permitted to carry any number of these.
- Subnucleonic Beam Duty Officer
Tier 2: The following Duty Officers and Consoles are restricted as Tier 2. A team (of 5) is only permitted to carry one of these.
- Theta Radiation Vents
- Graviton Pulse
- Siphon Drones (only one carrier is permitted to equip these. If the team has more than one carrier the other(s) MUST equip something else)
- Danube Runabout (only one carrier is permitted to equip these. If the team has more than one carrier the other(s) MUST equip something else)
- Antimatter Spread
- Plasmonic Leech
- Aceton Assimilator
Failure to do this will be grounds for immediate disqualification from the tournament. It is a three-strikes policy per team.
In other words, say Critz has a team of 5. If one of theirs decides to equip 3 Subnuke doffs, that player is immediately disqualified, but the team is not, and is permitted to slot another to take his place. However, if this happens three times, the team is disqualified.
Tournament will likely take place in a private match, with a neutral vessel (who is required to remove the weapons from his ship and remain at least 20km away from the action) to act as referee, and to ensure the rules of the tournament are being followed.
I think those rules are fair, but if we do this I'm open to hammering out something better if you think I missed something.
I think a tournament could also raise awareness and interest in PvP again. If anybody has anything they'd like to contribute to the prizes, please let me know! So far, of the 80million, I envision:
50 million to the first-prize team (split 5 ways)
25 million to the second-prize team (split 5 ways)
5 million to the third-prize team (split 5 ways)
EDIT: I don't think the tournament necessarily needs to be fleets only. We can have pugmade teams participate, as long as they're recorded down and given a temporary team name (even something like, "Naz's team").
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In terms of rules, I would hold off on outlawing SNB doffs until we see the new changes in action.
I wouldn't allow any of those, with the exception of AMS and VTR, which I don't see as problematic at all anymore.
Private matches go up to 10v10, so you can do 5v5 with one or two observers.
Ideally the moderators should have Fraps to record the battle, to provide evidence that it in fact took place. If this tournament gets off the ground, I can go get Fraps myself, and upload the video of the tournament to Youtube as evidence that yes, the tournament is real.
I'm not saying this won't take some doing, or some work. But I'm hoping that, if we spread the word about it (especially if we can get some decent prizes for winning), we can get some participants going, which might raise awareness of the PvP format (which is good for all PvPers).
They may go up to 10v10 but even if you are allied you will be on a separate team (5+5v5+5) and may not be able to see everything. Groups can get divided and if a couple of people go out of range of the moderator then he cannot see them. If he is on team he can still see allies beyond range and see any buffs they have running or debuffs used on them. The moderator needs to be on the same 5 man team for each team participating.
Agreed. I don't know how to contact Borticus, but I'll try PMing him and seeing if he responds. Or maybe he'll read this thread and respond :P *hint hint nudge nudge*. As for what we choose to ban for the tournament, that's gonna have to be something that's agreed-upon between all participating members, or at least a majority of them.
There's gonna have to be a lot of negotiating, though. Just off the top of my head:
1) what will be the tournament stance on spam? Do we permit spam teams, or have a hard-cap on the number of carriers permitted per team?
2) How about captain abilities? Do we place any restrictions on Scramble Sensors, or the like?
My issue is that I want this tournament to be fun for everyone involved, but I don't want to stifle creativity. I'm very leery to out-right ban anything, but I DO want to restrict those things that give such an enormous advantage to a team as to dampen the fun. So far the only thing in the game that fits this description is the SNB doff (at least as it currently exists).
I know that it's being re-worked, but in the event that this tournament takes place before the next patch fixes the doff, you have to admit the current SNB doff should be banned from the tournament as quite legitimately OP.
I'm not personally privy to our exact patching schedule, but I'll look into it.
I'm fairly certain that this weekend is a good time for it, actually. Not a lot of time to plan, though.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
And guys, I'm effectively giving away all the EC I have as prize money as it is, and asking nothing of you, so I'll hold that as evidence I'd probably not take your money and run
Thanks a ton for replying to me, Borticus. I'm not sure about this weekend, because even if we're gonna do this thing, I have to prepare too :P. There's stuff to set up and I'm not sure I could do it in the time allotted. I'm hoping the weekend of the 20th, or something like that.
Plus, we'll need a little time to garner interest in the tourney, and get people to sign up! *nudge nudge* ~hey you reading this, that's right you! Sign up today! There's prize money!!~
EDIT: Plus, one of the things I want to have happen is for newbs to participate too. Just because they're new to PvP doesn't mean they shouldn't have a shot at the prize money. It's good PvP experience and practice, and who knows, they might win! OK, probably not, but even a 1million entry fee could potentially scare away a lot of the newer players.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
I'm not wanted the other times?
As I've mentioned to a few of the PvP fleets, it would be hard to sponsor an official tournament where there were items that were prohibited. There is no way for you to tell what participants have slotted or what they slot after the battle begins.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
not true 77th elite is pvp heavy and stf heavy and just about tier 3
I know my old fleet was doing tournaments from crafting stuff
it woul be a good idea if you unlock kits and ship consoles
Well, if Jeremy keeps up the good work restricting items might not be needed in the future, and then we can have a real sponsored tournament
Only way I could see tournaments being done is if say Cryptic builds a specific map for instance and say they wanted the pvp to be a redo the battle of say... Qam-chee where you select 2 people to be Kahless and Lukara and then everyone else is Molor's soldiers. Just out of purely imaginative purposes say the 2 players playing Kahless and Lukara would have specific powers so no kits or gear would ever change what they have and maybe somewhat the same for the troops/soldiers of Molor... I think that would be the closest to a type of tournament we would ever see in the game but it would have to be handled and created internally thus taking a long long time to put together.
And yes, bran, I know that it would be difficult to truly police the policies that we may or may not put in place. Honestly, though, if the referees are not asleep, certain things would be rather obvious. For example, if the participants agreed that, say, siphon drones are banned, it'd be pretty easy for the referee to see if the carriers are bringing those.
Also, this is a ban on things you USE, not things you CARRY. If you decide you want to carry some siphon drones but never launch them, be my guest, although you'd be gimping yourself since now one of your hangars is effectively useless.
If we can generate enough interest here, then I'd like to meet with at least the team leaders so we can hammer out the ground rules for the tournament. Most PvPers are pretty honorable, especially in situations like these, but in the event they are not, that's why we have the observers.
I'll talk to TRH members if availability will be an issue this weekend, not sure if it will be. But if it isn't we probably will be there.
Furthermore, I think our guys will play in this tournament for no prize. Meaning if we win anything, we will award you all of it for your efforts at hosting this.
We can also can host the teamspeak for this event, as ours can house up to 50 people.
Thank you for your conviction to make pvp interesting.
-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes.
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I think we can make that public. The address is internationalpvp.typefrag.com: 62245
We can lot respected channels to accommodate our guests/participants into their own distinct areas in our TS to make them feel at home. Also, we can administer admin powers to help create a "groove" on the couch in the channel rooms we designated them into.
-PaxOttomana
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Fleet: Sad Pandas
Let me see if others are interested.
Small Update.
@marctraider (MT)
@naz1911 (Naz)
@hurleybird (Jorf)
Seem to be interested so far.
I'm uncertain how you will be able to identify who, if not all members on that team applies a SN doff proc onto a target. Is there a way of being able to tell who has SN doffs equipped in a 5 man situation I am not aware of? Don't get me wrong, I doubt anyone will use any doffs but still would be nice to know.
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Perhaps a better way to handle this would be to just make the tournament no holds barred, anything goes, but draft a set of optional guidelines (like the one in the thread header) that fleets could voluntarily agree to abide by, on a match-by-match basis? That might help you get official support for this, too.
However I'm leery about an "anything goes" kind of deal because while the line between OP and cheese is thin, it is there. Cheese is OK, cheese allows for experimentation and innovation. But OP-ness is not.
I understand that many people have different ideas about what is OP and what isn't. I'm hoping once we've got a few people interested I'd meet with the team leaders for maybe 10 minutes and we can hammer out some ground rules.
Remember, as a tournament, there really should be limitations. I fully understand that in queues, anything goes, but this isn't a random queue, so we should establish some ground rules, for the sake of fairness and to encourage sportsmanship. If people can't abide by these rules, they shouldn't be allowed to compete. I don't think that's an unreasonable requirement.
I might be up for it.
@Mavairo. I can fill in for anyone that's lacking a full team and I can play virtually anything.
I might keep this in mind, as it seems some of our guys might not be available this weekend.
Also, thanks again for the feedback you gave by video on the weapons not firing bug from about a month ago. Some good deeds shouldn't be forgotten.
-PaxOttomana of TRH
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