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tourangeau001
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Hey all Sean here the designer of the Luna Class/Titan. I understand the pressures the devs here have on their plates with the ships. I just have never been happy with the way they represented the Luna in the game. I can handle the little details, but what really really ticks me off is the sensor pod and it's deflector that is installed on it.
The sensor pod does not have a deflector dish on never did never wanted.
As for other details they are minor, and I was going to get capt Logan all the detailed
images of the Luna for rework before he left. Since then I have tried contacting people at cryptic to get them the images but no one has.
As most of you know I also developed a Mirror Universe version of the Titan a while back, and when I saw what they were calling a Mirror Luna for the game I had really got ticked off. I designed a way better version that they could of used all they need to do is ask and I would of been more than happy to let them have it.
I have always been open to letting more of my design go into the game if they wanted.
Oh well off my soap box. Thanks for all of your support.
Here are some Links to my I.S.S. Titan and other Mirror Universe Creations Feel free to take a look.
http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/#/d3116pd
Mirror Universe Art - http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/gallery/445971
Commissions - http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/gallery/7624222
Titan Images - http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/gallery/445973
And the Titan Shipyards - http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com/TitanShipyards/
Enjoy,
Sean
The sensor pod does not have a deflector dish on never did never wanted.
As for other details they are minor, and I was going to get capt Logan all the detailed
images of the Luna for rework before he left. Since then I have tried contacting people at cryptic to get them the images but no one has.
As most of you know I also developed a Mirror Universe version of the Titan a while back, and when I saw what they were calling a Mirror Luna for the game I had really got ticked off. I designed a way better version that they could of used all they need to do is ask and I would of been more than happy to let them have it.
I have always been open to letting more of my design go into the game if they wanted.
Oh well off my soap box. Thanks for all of your support.
Here are some Links to my I.S.S. Titan and other Mirror Universe Creations Feel free to take a look.
http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/#/d3116pd
Mirror Universe Art - http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/gallery/445971
Commissions - http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/gallery/7624222
Titan Images - http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/gallery/445973
And the Titan Shipyards - http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com/TitanShipyards/
Enjoy,
Sean
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Also, the Imperial Starfleet ships in-game are, cosmetically, the same ships as their regular counterparts, just with an "I.S.S." and yellow markings. If Cryptic would adopt your Mirror Luna, it would stand out with its special pod and red markings. Not to say that's a bad thing, though. And it could provide additional options.
Thanks,
With my version of the ISS Titan you would also get a multi vector mode which the U.S.S. does not have and the Sensor Pod was replaced with two weapons pods. She has a lot more teeth so to speak than the USS version.
I know no budget or time for this but that is what you would of had with my design.
So you're saying that, additional work for Cryptic is a BAD thing? As is, they take the "easy way out" more often than not.
Honestly, as the designer of the Luna Class, I hope Sean Tourangeau takes legal action against Cryptic/PW for bastardizing his designs.
Would I rather they spend their time & money developing content for the KDF as opposed to making a new Luna? Yes! Would I rather they spend time & money on FES instead of working on a new Luna? YES! Would I rather they spend time & money developing playable Romulans instead of making a new Luna? Yes!
As for "legal action" I doubt he can do anything about it. If his arrangement w/ cryptic is anything like Adam Ihle's was for the Enterprise E then cryptic holds the right to tweak the design for the game if they want. Of course that's just basing it on Adam's agreement, I have no clue what Sean's agreement w/ cryptic actually is.
You're assuming that the SAME PEOPLE do all those things. If there is any rationale to how they operate, you have certain staff doing nothing but new Art Assets (such as Ships), Writers, Map Designers etc.
Thing is, Cryptic doesn't WANT to touch up the older ships, make them look better. They figure, it's better to gouge the players for more money via quick cash-grab lockboxes.
There is a ship team that works on ships, yes. However, Klingons could stand to get more ships, FEs sometimes need new ships, and if Romulans ever become playable they too will need more ships. Add to that the long list of ships many people would rather have as opposed to spending time retouching the Luna or making a new model for it's mirror version. I for one think after almost 3 years we've waited long enough for an Ambassador class and would rather see that.
I am going to assume that Sean sold his rights to the Luna to CBS/Paramount just as Adam did with the Odyssey. As such he has zero grounds to sue Cryptic. In fact, if CBS/Paramount wanted to be jerks they could sue Sean for having images of the Luna on his website - as it's their IP. Luckily CBS is quite lenient about ships on fan-sites.
I don't own the rights I just get designer credit attached to the design. I have no legal rights and personally wouldn't go after cryptic anyway. I just want my design to look right since my name is forever attached to the ship as designer.
As I said I am not looking for legal actions. part of my deal with winning the contest is, that Pocket and CBS own the Design, but I will have design credit attached to the ship.
And for CBS I have worked with John Van Citters (President CBS Consumer Products) in the past with the 6foot model that they commissioned for the Tour years ago. THey are
fine with me having images of my design on my sites.
I am all for Cryptic investing more time and money on other designs in the game. I feel the game needs the best art to keep the players.
this was probably done to let them just use reskins of existing models. so unless they want to replace every mirror universe ship in the game, odds are they won't want to replace the Luna class model.
that said accurizing the design of the regular Luna would be a good thing.
and i do wish they had used your model for the mirror version, i love that design.
honestly, i think they ought to redo the whole mirror universe fleet to use aesthetics similar to the style you'd developed.. it would looks way cooler. even if it is mostly just nacelle swaps on most ships for the more aggressive styling. (and IMO, the red markings look far more Imperial than the gold.. even if they don't fix the models, letting people use the higher contrast dark red markings ought to be added anyway.. )
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But while it's a shame they didn't put more time into the original or a mirror model, it seems they've already chosen that the mirror ships are simple swaps, and so it doesn't seem as big of a deal for me that they didn't contact Sean about a mirror Luna model. If they had made a special model, but it wasn't Sean's design, I'd definitely second the frustration, but in this case, they needed something that didn't take more modelling time. Perhaps the only reason we can have the mirror ships in the lockbox at all is that they're easy to make.
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With respect.
Sean, design some KDF ships, maybe some Romulan stuff and let us see what YOU would do to flesh out the empire. I for one would love to see what you could do.
Hell, Cryptic could shove this stuff in a lockbox and I'd buy the damn keys...
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Tbh, I think they should replace all Terran ships and base new ones on existing designs that Sean made (provided he actually allows them to do such a thing off course), his work looks far superior to any Terran ships we have in game.
In any case, I was also disappointed when I saw the Terran Luna, especially so when I saw Sean compare it to his own on DA.
The only reason for the game's Producer to even consider making that time available now is due to the Fleet versions of older models now being available. Since endgame player's really can look at their favorite starship for far longer.
Bolded for emphasis. Given that the idea is that we as players should congregate around "large fleets" and buying Fleet Ships, it makes complete sense to bring the older ship classes up to a higher standard, since we'll be flying them alot more (as Fleet Retrofits).
and I will get back to him with my concerns on the Luna.
It sounds like the Luna may be heading back to the Digital Spacedock in the future, just no stardate yet.
I take that as promising and plan on working with them in every way I can to get her looking right.
I am not sure about the I.S.S. getting retouched, but atleast it sounds like the U.S.S. might get an overhaul.
That's great to hear! The Luna's hands down my favoring of the hull-forms available for the RSV.
I would love a tac heavy version in sto that keeps the same turn speed and stats, but comes with a sci version of the Regent class boff layout!
1 Ensign Tac
1 Lt Cmdr Tac
1 Lt Sci
1 Cmdr sci
1 Lt uni
Make it so...
That's GREAT !
Sean talk to them about some of your other designs !
You mean it makes sense to polish up 20 dollar single character unlock ships so they become more appealing and thus more likely to be purchased?
Madness!:)
I've never bought a Fleet Ship and frankly I never will, I can never forgive them for the death of the c-store ships being the top end ships.
Frankly now C-store ships really aren't worth the 2000-2500 Zen, despite them being account unlocks. I'd rather buy a lock box ship of the exchange. :P
I bought 4 fleet modules instead for around 38 million ECs total and bought myself a nice Fleet K't'inga.
One of those ships we were never going to see in the C-Store because...it's a Klingon ship.
Anyway I hope they come around to fixing the ship's model now that it's an endgame ship and it makes sense to make it appealing again.
Dear Sean,
your ship is the greatest one. I like your concepts and hope that more of them be exactly implemented into STO. Years ago I ogle also with another ship from you, the Interceptor Class Destroyer. This could be a nice further ship for STO.
Greetings
Since the ship now looks the way it does, I shut off the yellow and the pod altogether and instead slapped on the Veteran skin.
The less it looks like the Cryptic version the better.:(
Very nice indeed, at least that is something.
I made pretty heavy use of the Luna-class during my first year of playing STO. I'd be glad to see it get something of a facelift. It's always been of pretty average quality. While I never felt the deflector on the sensor pod was such a big deal (I excused it under the '30 years later' clause) it did bother me to see the ship with sloppy geometry around the front of the stardrive (which should have had a much more definite arrowhead shape) along with the odious addition of twin torp launchers on the 'lower lip' on the saucer's rim.