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skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
One of my friends (well my brother),

Seems to have a 3rd Character Slot, AS A FREE TO PLAY USER.

He has a FED/KDF Character Already and the Buttons to make a new character are clickable, when mouse over it says "you have 1 unrestricted character slot available"

i know for a fact he hasnt purchased any,

So where did this third slot come from?

I dont have a 3rd Slot and I registered before him, I also have a "Purchase Additional Slots" button underneath the greyed out "create new character" buttons.
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Was he ever a gold user? I have heard of people who were gold, then downgraded to silver, but still got to keep their third character slot somehow.
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    Was he ever a gold user? I have heard of people who were gold, then downgraded to silver, but still got to keep their third character slot somehow.

    nope, he's FTP, just like me,

    the only differences are:

    -I've logged into my account on his PC (authorizing my account on his PC as well as mine).

    -He Plays Community Authored content sometimes (I havent touched them)


    He doesnt have any Zen (well he does now), but He has nothing on his account purchase history, so it was unlocked some other way.
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    nope, he's FTP, just like me,

    the only differences are:

    -I've logged into my account on his PC (authorizing my account on his PC as well as mine).

    -He Plays Community Authored content sometimes (I havent touched them)


    He doesnt have any Zen (well he does now), but He has nothing on his account purchase history, so it was unlocked some other way.

    So, somehow, his account has acquired Zen, and unlocked a capability you can only acquire via Zen?

    Wipe his PC. Reinstall the OS. Install a good anti-virus. Then have him change his passwords; first on his email, then on STO.

    He's been TRIBBLE. Either that or he is lying to you and bought Zen, or shared his account with somebody who put Zen in it.
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    nope, he's FTP, just like me,

    I understand that he is currently FTP, but I was asking if he was gold before?
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    I understand that he is currently FTP, but I was asking if he was gold before?


    nope never gold,

    and its only 1 slot, last time i checked they had to be bought in pairs,

    he hasnt been TRIBBLE, or shared his account either.
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    nope never gold,

    and its only 1 slot, last time i checked they had to be bought in pairs,

    he hasnt been TRIBBLE, or shared his account either.

    If you are gold, you get 3 slots total. There was another guy about a month ago who downgraded to silver and even though he didnt create a third character while he was gold, the slot remained after the downgrade.

    Another way to confirm would be to check to see if your brother has more inventory and bank slots than you do. If he does, then he was definitely gold at one time or another.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    If you are gold, you get 3 slots total. There was another guy about a month ago who downgraded to silver and even though he didnt create a third character while he was gold, the slot remained after the downgrade.

    Another way to confirm would be to check to see if your brother has more inventory and bank slots than you do. If he does, then he was definitely gold at one time or another.

    I can confirm that you retain some perks after downgrading from Gold. I've still got a 3rd character slot, and several Gold-level perks on the toons I had at the time that I haven't deleted. I created a new one recently and it doesn't have the perks because I created it while freeplaying.
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  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »

    Wipe his PC. Reinstall the OS. Install a good anti-virus. Then have him change his passwords; first on his email, then on STO.

    That is the dumbest advise ever.

    I Built his PC, and Installed all the software, though its 100% virus proof, it's secure, even if it becomes infected,
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I can confirm that you retain some perks after downgrading from Gold. I've still got a 3rd character slot, and several Gold-level perks on the toons I had at the time that I haven't deleted. I created a new one recently and it doesn't have the perks because I created it while freeplaying.



    I know this, he was never gold though, so I have no idea how he obtained the extra slot.
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I can confirm that you retain some perks after downgrading from Gold. I've still got a 3rd character slot, and several Gold-level perks on the toons I had at the time that I haven't deleted. I created a new one recently and it doesn't have the perks because I created it while freeplaying.

    I did that as well, I specifically just subbed gold for 1 month for the respec tokens, extra inventory slots, extra bank slots and third character slot. Difference is I created the third toon while still gold and parked him because I thought the slot would disappear when I downgraded.

    After I downgraded, used my single stipend to unlock the EC limit. Good value for $15. :D
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    I know this, he was never gold though, so I have no idea how he obtained the extra slot.

    Did you check his his inventory slots as well to confirm?
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    If he bought a copy of the game, even a $5.00 copy off of ebay or put in a code from some free offer, he would be considered gold for a month even though he's silver. That would explain the extra character slot.
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    stf65 wrote: »
    If he bought a copy of the game, even a $5.00 copy off of ebay or put in a code from some free offer, he would be considered gold for a month even though he's silver. That would explain the extra character slot.

    the 3rd slot just came up recently as far as I know. I'll check his inventory.

    and wouldn't that have shown up on his account history?
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    That is the dumbest advise ever.

    I Built his PC, and Installed all the software, though its 100% virus proof, it's secure, even if it becomes infected,

    I'd love to know how you make a PC 100% virus proof. I do computer security for a Fortune 500 global megacorp for a living, and we don't know a foolproof method of that. :)
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    the 3rd slot just came up recently as far as I know. I'll check his inventory.

    and wouldn't that have shown up on his account history?

    I have to double check my history, but I dont think subscriptions show up in the purchase history, just the actual store purchases. Don't quote me on that though.

    I think SFT65's suggestion is the most probable though.
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    Did you check his his inventory slots as well to confirm?

    His Federation Character only Has 48 Slots,

    His Klingon Character has 48 Slots.

    He hasnt entered any promo codes.

    Is there anyway to unlock a 3rd (DoFF Ranks or whatever?)
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    I'd love to know how you make a PC 100% virus proof. I do computer security for a Fortune 500 global megacorp for a living, and we don't know a foolproof method of that. :)

    I agree, no PC is 100% virus proof, but implying somebody TRIBBLE his computer with the purpose of upgrading his start trek online account was kinda lame.

    I wish those hackers would break in to my computer and pay some of my bills for me, lol.
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    I agree, no PC is 100% virus proof, but implying somebody TRIBBLE his computer with the purpose of upgrading his start trek online account was kinda lame.

    I wish those hackers would break in to my computer and pay some of my bills for me, lol.

    That and Nothing is ever missing, and his ship is always where he leaves it last.
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    skatezilla wrote: »
    His Federation Character only Has 48 Slots,

    His Klingon Character has 48 Slots.

    Hmmm, dunno what to tell you then. Must just be glitch...a good glitch :)

    If he was gold at any time, he would have had 72 inventory slots. Unless...he was gold, but never created those characters until after he downgraded. I know I am really stretching it here, but just spitting out possibilities.
  • skatezillaskatezilla Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    I'd love to know how you make a PC 100% virus proof. I do computer security for a Fortune 500 global megacorp for a living, and we don't know a foolproof method of that. :)

    meant to say "though it's not"
  • mewimewi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    So, somehow, his account has acquired Zen, and unlocked a capability you can only acquire via Zen?

    Wipe his PC. Reinstall the OS. Install a good anti-virus. Then have him change his passwords; first on his email, then on STO.

    He's been TRIBBLE. Either that or he is lying to you and bought Zen, or shared his account with somebody who put Zen in it.

    Yeah... someone TRIBBLE into his friends account to buy him a 3rd character slot...............................

    Reinstall the OS.... really? Please tell me this post is a joke :/
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mewi wrote: »
    Yeah... someone TRIBBLE into his friends account to buy him a 3rd character slot...............................

    Reinstall the OS.... really? Please tell me this post is a joke :/

    This is what happens in games where F2P players have restrictions; the gold farmers spend whatever the minimum they can to get the restrictions lifted is. It's a common sign of your account having been TRIBBLE if you've never spent any money and suddenly it's got restrictions lifted. Often the account holder is reluctant to report the hack, because they don't want to lose the "gift" they've received, too.

    However, yes, my post was meant to be sarcastic; to get the poster to look closer into the account history. 99% of the time when somebody says an account has a capability that can only be acquired through something they say didn't happen, it turns out it actually happened.

    That being said, if you are TRIBBLE, as a well-paid security professional I stand by the steps I listed:

    1) Wipe the PC.
    2) Reinstall the OS, then a good anti-virus and firewall, then all available vendor patches.
    3) Change your email password.
    4) Change your game passwords.
    5) Only then reinstall your games.

    I've never been among the "try letting your anti-virus/anti-malware remove stuff first" crowd. We don't do it at (giant company I work for who'd prefer I didn't mention their name, but better than 99% of you would recognize it if I said it), we didn't do it at (big company I worked at before), and you shouldn't either.

    In the old days devs would sometimes research these things and then post an analysis saying "your friend actually bought Foo 11 months ago, and probably forgot". I miss those days; Rehpic used to post some great ones.

    I can't link it, but an ArenaNet dev recently outed people on Reddit for claiming their bans were for "no reason", listing the often-hilarious reasons, completely uncensored. I LOLed hard.
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    This is what happens in games where F2P players have restrictions; the gold farmers spend whatever the minimum they can to get the restrictions lifted is. It's a common sign of your account having been TRIBBLE if you've never spent any money and suddenly it's got restrictions lifted. Often the account holder is reluctant to report the hack, because they don't want to lose the "gift" they've received, too.

    However, yes, my post was meant to be sarcastic; to get the poster to look closer into the account history. 99% of the time when somebody says an account has a capability that can only be acquired through something they say didn't happen, it turns out it actually happened.

    That being said, if you are TRIBBLE, as a well-paid security professional I stand by the steps I listed:

    1) Wipe the PC.
    2) Reinstall the OS, then a good anti-virus and firewall, then all available vendor patches.
    3) Change your email password.
    4) Change your game passwords.
    5) Only then reinstall your games.

    I've never been among the "try letting your anti-virus/anti-malware remove stuff first" crowd. We don't do it at (giant company I work for who'd prefer I didn't mention their name, but better than 99% of you would recognize it if I said it), we didn't do it at (big company I worked at before), and you shouldn't either.

    In the old days devs would sometimes research these things and then post an analysis saying "your friend actually bought Foo 11 months ago, and probably forgot". I miss those days; Rehpic used to post some great ones.

    I can't link it, but an ArenaNet dev recently outed people on Reddit for claiming their bans were for "no reason", listing the often-hilarious reasons, completely uncensored. I LOLed hard.

    I am sorry dude, but that is bunk. You are now just being stubborn and holding fast instead of saying "yeah, i dont know what I was thinking, lol"
  • viper40wattviper40watt Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    I'd love to know how you make a PC 100% virus proof. I do computer security for a Fortune 500 global megacorp for a living, and we don't know a foolproof method of that. :)

    Well prepare to have your mind blow because the solution is easy peasy. Remove all internet access and block all usb ports.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    I am sorry dude, but that is bunk. You are now just being stubborn and holding fast instead of saying "yeah, i dont know what I was thinking, lol"
    Or he's a professional giving you his professional opinion, but you're the one being stubborn because you think it's stupid...

    Hey, you never know ;)
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Well prepare to have your mind blow because the solution is easy peasy. Remove all internet access and block all usb ports.

    I'm sorry; I should have specified "and have the machine still be useful for the purposes at hand". :)
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    Or he's a professional giving you his professional opinion, but you're the one being stubborn because you think it's stupid...

    Hey, you never know ;)

    So you buy in to the whole "they TRIBBLE his computer in order to upgrade his account" theory? The problem is there are far too many brown-nosing fanbois around here who think cryptic is infallible.

    Given the state of the game and all the bugs in it, it is highly more probable that it is simply a glitch.

    Sure hackers have been know to exploit accounts to gain unfair advantages. In WoW, hackers would routinely compromise accounts then use teleport hacks to gather all the ores and herbs. They wouldn't go into the WoW store and spend hard currency to load up somebody's toon with premium mounts and vanity pets, lol.

    Suggesting to wipe the pc and reinstall the OS will not solve a thing.

    BTW, I am IT professional of 15 years now, so I am not a layman.
  • mewimewi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    This is what happens in games where F2P players have restrictions; the gold farmers spend whatever the minimum they can to get the restrictions lifted is. It's a common sign of your account having been TRIBBLE if you've never spent any money and suddenly it's got restrictions lifted. Often the account holder is reluctant to report the hack, because they don't want to lose the "gift" they've received, too.

    However, yes, my post was meant to be sarcastic; to get the poster to look closer into the account history. 99% of the time when somebody says an account has a capability that can only be acquired through something they say didn't happen, it turns out it actually happened.

    That being said, if you are TRIBBLE, as a well-paid security professional I stand by the steps I listed:

    1) Wipe the PC.
    2) Reinstall the OS, then a good anti-virus and firewall, then all available vendor patches.
    3) Change your email password.
    4) Change your game passwords.
    5) Only then reinstall your games.

    I've never been among the "try letting your anti-virus/anti-malware remove stuff first" crowd. We don't do it at (giant company I work for who'd prefer I didn't mention their name, but better than 99% of you would recognize it if I said it), we didn't do it at (big company I worked at before), and you shouldn't either.

    In the old days devs would sometimes research these things and then post an analysis saying "your friend actually bought Foo 11 months ago, and probably forgot". I miss those days; Rehpic used to post some great ones.

    I can't link it, but an ArenaNet dev recently outed people on Reddit for claiming their bans were for "no reason", listing the often-hilarious reasons, completely uncensored. I LOLed hard.

    As a computer technician and remote support employee for software, I cringe at your advice and recommend you not recommend people to do x y z, unless you know x y z is actually the cause of the problem.

    Wiping a computer's hard drive clean, is the LAST option ( and I do mean last, because there is usually always a solution ) you take when dealing with spyware/trojans/malware/etc. Also, not everyone will be experienced enough to know how to reinstall an operating system properly or even wipe a hard drive this is again not something you should be recommending as a viable solution to any regular user problem.

    In all honesty, this doesn't appear to be your area of expertise, it was bad advice.

    As for your gold farming post, again you have no proof to make such a suggestion, and you didn't ask any appropriate questions to gather that evidence to even determine a proper course of action for said player. Keep in mind, the initial poster is talking about someone else's account, so you are actually helping no one directly anyway except possibly causing problems with other peoples computers.
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    So you buy in to the whole "they TRIBBLE his computer in order to upgrade his account" theory? The problem is there are far too many brown-nosing fanbois around here who think cryptic is infallible.

    Given the state of the game and all the bugs in it, it is highly more probable that it is simply a glitch.

    Sure hackers have been know to exploit accounts to gain unfair advantages. In WoW, hackers would routinely compromise accounts then use teleport hacks to gather all the ores and herbs. They wouldn't go into the WoW store and spend hard currency to load up somebody's toon with premium mounts and vanity pets, lol.

    Suggesting to wipe the pc and reinstall the OS will not solve a thing.

    BTW, I am IT professional of 15 years now, so I am not a layman.
    I'm not buying into anything in this specific discussion, because I don't know a lot about the inner workings of computers ;) I'm simply stating my opinion, for what it's worth.

    Sometimes telling people that they're being stubborn helps them realize they are. Sometimes it doesn't, whether because they still don't see how or they weren't the first place. It's better than doing nothing though.

    And too many fanboys? I'd think that was sarcastic, considering the number of vocal people who oppose some of Cryptic's decisions.
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mewi wrote: »
    Wiping a computer's hard drive clean, is the LAST option ( and I do mean last, because there is usually always a solution ) you take when dealing with spyware/trojans/malware/etc. Also, not everyone will be experienced enough to know how to reinstall an operating system properly or even wipe a hard drive this is again not something you should be recommending as a viable solution to any regular user problem.

    Installing an OS is far easier than properly cleaning a system of malware. "Properly" doesn't mean "hope the anti-virus does a good job", and hasn't since Dark Avenger.
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