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Other Sci Fi series besides Star Trek with messed up timespace
lonnehart
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Star Trek has a lot of timeline tangles. Such as the Voyager episode "Endgame". I mean... if Janeway went into the past and helped her past self get home early, then she would've had told the younger Janeway to do what she did in the future to maintain the timeline. Except the timeline would've been altered by Janeway getting home early and....
AAARRRGH!!!! MY BRAIN!!!
Anyways...
What other sci fi shows do you know of that have messed up instances of time and space?
One anime series I know of like this was called Super Dimensional Century Orguss. From what I remember watching, the first series had the protagonist and his partner activate a bomb that tangled up several alternate realities of Earth. After journeying with a trade vessel (and using his transforming mecha to defend it and himself from enemies) and having a daughter who he ends up having to fight later he decides to fix things by travelling into the past and killing his past self to keep the bomb from being dropped, and thus fixing things...
But if he killed himself in the past to prevent the bomb from going off, then he wouldn't be in the future and....
Yeah... brain's overheating right there...
I'm sure Dr. Who might also have messed up timelines, but I haven't watched enough of the series to be sure...
AAARRRGH!!!! MY BRAIN!!!
Anyways...
What other sci fi shows do you know of that have messed up instances of time and space?
One anime series I know of like this was called Super Dimensional Century Orguss. From what I remember watching, the first series had the protagonist and his partner activate a bomb that tangled up several alternate realities of Earth. After journeying with a trade vessel (and using his transforming mecha to defend it and himself from enemies) and having a daughter who he ends up having to fight later he decides to fix things by travelling into the past and killing his past self to keep the bomb from being dropped, and thus fixing things...
But if he killed himself in the past to prevent the bomb from going off, then he wouldn't be in the future and....
Yeah... brain's overheating right there...
I'm sure Dr. Who might also have messed up timelines, but I haven't watched enough of the series to be sure...
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"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
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Voyager does that a lot doesn't it?
I'm impressed you've even heard of that one! It's a real unsung gem (despite the wibbly wobbly, timey wimey nature of its premise).
If I recall correctly, the ending of the series was ambiguous precisely because of the paradox and the unraveling of it. Basically, the two main characters forcibly separated the mish-mash of timeline dimensions that was causing every intersecting dimension instability by... well... removing themselves from the equation.
Which means that the dimensional bomb both DID and DID NOT explode.
But whether it did or not all the various timelines are now separated, and in some of them, all the characters we learned to care about lived, and in others they died, and in others they were... changed. (Which is why at least one of the ending stills shows Kei with Mimsy and their baby, but HE has one of the Emaan tendrils!)
Don't try to think about these things too much. You just hurt your brain that way.
(Logan Pops out of the top of a closed box screaming "HEISENBERG!!! I WANT A WORD WITH YOU!!!!")
In part 2, old biff goes back in time, gives the book to his younger self and changes the future to where biff is now the richest guy ever.
BUT.... old biff then goes back to 2015 in the original timeline that also has marty and doc in it. this timeline should no longer exist though. in fact he should no longer exist as he would be replaced by his older richer self. even if he does and can return to 2015 he should return to the alternate one he has created and not the original.
Some of the biggies
the movie declares the Doctor half human (previously stated to be genetically impossible)
the chronology has been rewritten at least 12 times
three seperate origins for the Cybermen
etc
A) has many writers tinkering around with it (human error + human error due to many writers messing with continuity)
Doctor Who first springs to my mind also
Futurama kinda did an episode about it, 'roswell that ends well' wonderful episode if you havent seen it already
War of the Worlds (the series) the home planet and bioform of the aliens changes twice
Quantum leap (sudden change in direction in season three)
Terminator the sarah connor chronicles (too many to list)
I tend to break my desk over my head trying to explain to newbs how Vulcan can be destroyed in the new movie and NOT be destroyed in STO. :eek: Did NO ONE pay attention to Professor Harkin's Temporal Mechanics 101 class?
JJ abrams was stopped by Robots from the future and was never born in STO time
With grateful thanks to John connor for the loan of his Terminator
That's not a paradox. That is just using time travel to solve a perceived problem.
I personally have 0 problem with the new movie. The entire thing takes place in a separate timeline, (except for everything in the Classic Spock/Kirk Mindmeld), so countinity is not broken. And the style is new and fresh for a new generation of viewers.
Still too many plot holes, the entire thing has to take place in an alternate reality to not break continuity.
I knew there had to be a few in there...
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
The whole movie DOES take place in an alternate timeline. Since Nero's ship was punching through reality as soon as the lights dimmed. However, Everything that is establish BEFORE that second is canon. For Example, George Kirk DID serve onboard the USS Kelvin. Also, everything that was established in the mindmeld, Romulus Exploding, The Jellyfish being built, and Nero's enraged pursuit of Spock, all of that takes place in the Alpha timeline, not the Beta. Therefore, all of that is still cannon, as far as this universe goes. Which is why Romulus is destroyed and Spock is still MIA, presumed KIA.
Still canon. And still relevant to us as the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire is what fueled this war between the Klingon Empire and the Federation. It is also heavily implied in the missions that the Iconians were involved in that.
Messed up timelines, you can say that again.
There's the Total Event Collapse of the universe at the end of Series 5 (That's every star in the universe going supernova at every moment in history) and the subsequent "rebooting" of it via the second Big Bang.
There's the disintegration of time at the end of Series 6 that led to every moment in history happening simultaneously.
There's the parallel world where humans created the Cybermen
Then there's the Often mentioned, rarely seen Last Great Time War
There's probably hundereds more examples I can think of as well, that's probably one of the reasons for the show's longevity, 50 years old next November
Red Dwarf (Though I think continuity takes second place to comedy:P)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It's a ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.
Correct he himself admitted he was "likely wide of the mark" more than once
Actually there is only one universe (thats what universe means) but it can have short lived subverse bleeds (pocket universes) these however rarely last more than a couple of seasons
From a Non-Linear, Non-Subjective point of view
JK
And wierdly many of the same people are in them
You would not believe how many really BAD series have one or more star trek links
(buffy the vampire slayer being one of them)
Buffy the vamp wasn't so bad (as cheesey time fillers go)
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An honest question:
How can anyone consider "Buffy the Vampiire Slayer" a science fiction series?
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It's more a fantasy/horror mix really
also its more science than horror
For a minute there I thought Star Trek: Voyager had completely twisted the timespace around you so you only saw that show.... :eek:
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*