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Come on cryptic! Get the low levels out of fleet alerts!

skytexskytex Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Anymore it's almost 100% if there is one single sub-va in any fleet event, we loose. I just played a game with 3 sub-50's. Couldn't even kill the 3rd wave in Fleet Alert. Only myself and the other VA were even killing anything. They other 3 were just getting blown up. Please for the love of god get them out of our events! Separate it like you do the Mirror event... 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, and 50. That way people can all play on their own level. What you've got now isn't working. These low levels don't have the survivability, crowd control ability, or damage to keep up.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I LIKE working with lowbies in Fleet alert and blockade

    Actually my favorite team mate (we run together about twice a week on alerts) flys a rainbow warrior (Three different coloured cannons/turrets)
    it really ANNOYS VA's when he turns up
    Live long and Prosper
  • velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    skytex wrote: »
    I just played a game with 3 sub-50's. Couldn't even kill the 3rd wave in Fleet Alert.

    And I played one this morning with a full VA team that couldn't kill the siege group in the given time.

    I played one last week with a couple of "lowbies" that was completely successful.

    The players' ranks do not determine whether you will win or lose.
    Demons run when a good man goes to war.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Anyone seen a ship in Fleet alerts that seems to be flying backwards??
    (Orion siege vessel)
    Live long and Prosper
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    patrickngo wrote: »
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek
    Oooh! Oooh! I wanna volunteer! My Fed Science toon just got promoted to LT Cmdr. Completely by accident, I assure you. If I go buy an Escort, will you help me pick out the right weapons so I get that "for real" Failboat effect? Just whistle and I promise I'll come runnin'! I also promise to excel at mediocrity for ya! Nobody is better at being just below average than I am. Nobody. USS Torp Magnet NCC-9101101101, reporting for duty, Sir! Giving FanBoys apoplexy is something I wanna devote the rest of my life too. Can I help? Puh-Leeese? Don't make me set my phasers on 'Bambi Eyes'! You know I'll do it if I have too. roflmao!
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Im actually tempted to make a "quaker" defiant
    Live long and Prosper
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  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    My friend and I play this mission a lot. Me in my Atrox and him in his lvl 30 escort. He is a level 35 and he knows how to play the mission. I have found many, many VA who have no idea how to do it and then blame my friend. My friend and I alpha strike one of the groups and take it out before the other 3 usually blow up the other group.

    On a different note. If you are looking for another LTC rainbow boat then count me in! That would be so fun to do that!

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    @patrickngo: I wasn't mocking you. I agree wholeheartedly with that post of yours I quoted. Who says being a Redneck is bad? Not me! No, sir! If you ever do need a pilot and his Failboat to die gloriously while failing epically in the cause of ticking off every FanBoy in range, I'll be your huckleberry. Been giving some thought to this. All Mk I or Mk II and everything white in quality seems a good start. Far too many people around these forums take this here com-pyu-ter game waay too seriously. I do not believe it is possible to grief a FanBoy enough. Most of 'em can't hear us anyways. Because of how awesome they assume they are.

    Your second post has high merit as well. Well reasoned, Sir. Well reasoned, indeed. I hadn't thought about this from the viewpoint you presented. However, since you pointed it out, it is now obvious. I guess since I do not get all tied up in how much loot I garner, I am missing out on something only the "Real STO Players" truly understand. :D
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • oldkirkfanoldkirkfan Member Posts: 1,263 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    patrickngo wrote: »
    and once again, something I said in haste and frustration comes back to bite me in the TRIBBLE, proving that no matter how much cultural detergent I use, I will always be a redneck.

    Seriously, now, doing that is called "Griefing" and it's every bit as rude and douchey as being a whiny elitist snob throwing tantrums.

    But...

    The core point still stands- The "Fleet Triple" of Starbase Incursion, Fleet Alert, and Starbase Defense were obviously and visibly structured intentionally to cause mixing between new players, returning players, old hands, and high end players. If you play out Incursion enough (either Klingon, or Feddie) you already KNOW where the Sabos are going to spawn (within a few meters), about when, etc. based on which race they are. Likewise, enough goes at the two space events, and you'll have a fair idea of the "Tactics" (and I use that word loosely) of the AI-driven opposition, their capabilities, and about where the boss is going to spawn from.

    The only REAL variable, is what your team is going to do-and that's the variable that takes it from being a low-buck, low-effort one-shot module into something challenging.

    Which it is SUPPOSED to be-not just a predictable grind like Nukara's outdoors portion or the initial levels of the city on Defera, but a challenge. (note that the Defera missions payout is pretty low folks. Hours of work for about six FM if you're soloing. That's on account of it being predictable if it's not your very first go down there.)

    15+ FM for fifteen minutes of time? not bad, compared to the endless grind of the two VA ONLY sites where you don't have to PUG because you can solo it through all the Green, most of the Purples, and some of the Yellows (admittedly for less).

    There is NO reasonable expectation of maximum payout, but most of the failures I've seen come from people expecting to have it all their own way, all the time, and who tantrum when they don't get it.

    Being a Redneck myself, I see nothing wrong with this. The idea of a FLEET, is to work together.
    The reason "Lowbies" are given command, is because we are "At war".
    StarFleet depends on us, (the VA, RA and captains to HELP the lower officers. Not shove them to the left of the sector to fend for themselves.

    btw.... the worst alerts I have been in, have been with VA's whinning about LTC's on the team, instead of fighting.
    YES, I do watch "Lowbies", but to throw heals if needed and pull agro. And you know what... Never have I been thanked by a VA for this.... It has always been a Captain or lower.
  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    thunderfoot006, what about standard issue stuff instead? You can't do rainbow but it is weaker. You want to do it sometime? I can get a LT Tac and just go pew pew with a half equipped ship. You in?

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    That's the spirit! Hadn't thought about using Mk 0 stuff at all. Used to play as a Jade Falcon back in my MW4 days. It was a point of honor to use only enough resources to win the fight. Anybody can drop an Atlas when they're ridin' a Dire Wolf. Now the fellow who can drop an Atlas while piloting a Kit Fox, that fellow's got some skills.
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    Yeah, I wonder if there are other mk 0 weapons. Because then you could run a mk 0 rainbow boat in a LT. ship with no BOFFs equipped. :cool:

    Just think of the hate. :D

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    I LIKE working with lowbies in Fleet alert and blockade

    Actually my favorite team mate (we run together about twice a week on alerts) flys a rainbow warrior (Three different coloured cannons/turrets)
    it really ANNOYS VA's when he turns up

    Aka trolling. Love you sollvax :rolleyes:
    I need a beer.

  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Ok, "Whiny post" so call me what you will

    Right, I run 3 VAs (one tac, 1 engi, 1 science) and I do fleet actions from time to time, my engi can tank so well I can hold off half a wave in fleet defence for about 3-5 minutes (then my cycle breaks as the shields buckle and I then need help) but that's beside the point, I don't have a problem with the lower levels... correction I WOULDN'T have a problem with them if they were willing to talk and ask if they were doing something wrong, i have the same problem in STFs, I'm quite happy to help and teach if others are willing to be helped and taught (which they aren't).

    as for rainbow ships i ran 1 for a while, I then switched to single energy tyoe, you know how much damage difference i noticed? 0 That's right a big fat 0. So please don't have a go at those running rainbow ships, chances are they are having greater debuff effect than you are.

    However as stated previously my problem is not with the low level players but those who refuse to listen to experienced players
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  • kieshdorfkieshdorf Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    It would seriously help if you people taught the lowbies how to play and assist them especially if they are new. The community in this is the most horrendous even before F2P, while before F2P it wasn't bad it was really borderline with the Epenis showboating and harassment. I myself am simply a mediocre player in STO due to not cookie cutting into the min max builds, they do not fit my playstyle and do not make the game fun for me. I have gone out of my way many times to help and support in game quite often to support others.

    If you have lowbies in the fleet have them purchase operation Tac assets from the star base to support there DPS. A maranda pumping out elite fighters or a wing of ships is a lot better than watching them explode and be sure to have them slot heals, at least one.
    what the hell is up with the crappy "f" at the end of my name was never there on either website till the crappy change
  • ziploc332ziploc332 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Some people deserve to be banned.

    Those people are ones that exist to ruin others day, we have words for them, but I don't want to hurt their child ears, they might get boo-boos and cry to Cryptic about being audibly violated on the internet. Yet still they continue to ruin STO by intentionally making failure toons just to prove that they don't deserve to be gamers.

    The lack of level balance is unfortunate, and a debate to push at the developers, but intentionally antagonizing the situation is just another way kids get their kicks. Those people deserve to never play this game, or be allowed on the internet, again.

    Watch them reply to this.

    kieshdorf wrote: »
    It would seriously help if you people taught the lowbies how to play and assist them especially if they are new.

    They do, it's called a guide. Also, this stupidity about cookie cutter builds? In Champions Online, sure I would agree, but everything in this game is so under the hood that EVERYONE is a cookie cutter, some just like to try and be unique (read: stupid) and gimp themselves without bothering to read up. The level of sheer laziness in people that don't pre-plan is astounding, as Cryptic has made it beyond easy to respect bridge officers. Respeccing yourself is only a matter of making a new toon if you're such a bum that you can't be bothered to put down a pittance.
  • sean2448sean2448 Member Posts: 815 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I am tired of seein first tier starbase because they came in first

    it needs to be set on tier 2 at this point what most fleets are at this point
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Aka trolling. Love you sollvax :rolleyes:

    Being fair all the weapons on my friends rainbow warrior are Mk VIII (the highest he can use) and his DPS is comparable with any other captain level ship

    its just all in pretty colours
    Live long and Prosper
  • velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    sean2448 wrote: »
    I am tired of seein first tier starbase because they came in first

    it needs to be set on tier 2 at this point what most fleets are at this point

    Has nothing to do with who gets there first. It's randomly chosen from the five members of the team (and you don't know that most fleets are at tier 2 right now either).

    The only thing the first player in has anything to do with is team leader, which doesn't mean much in a PUG.
    Demons run when a good man goes to war.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    What a great idea OP... Wait... No...

    Actually this is still the worst idea ever.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • skhcskhc Member Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    It personally doesn't bother me all that much, especially on ground where a good player and the damage buff from level matching can make up the difference. The day I ragequit or throw a wobbly because a Commander or Lt. Commander entered a mission he has every right to enter is the day I need to stop playing the game.

    That said, it's not really fair on a Lt. Commander to have to go into a space mission and take on level 50 enemies. Even with their damage buffed, they still lack the BOff slots. Particularly on something like Blockade where you plain out need Lt. Commander and Commander BOff abilities to effectively protect a freighter. Without them you have one Tac Team, minor heals and maybe TBR1. Two players like that at the one freighter are going to struggle.

    But you can't divide them by rank either, because that'll kill the queues at lower levels. The only rank divided content it doesn't take 20+ minutes to get a group at below VA is Mirror Universe, and that's because people use it to power level their way to VA.

    I would be interested in knowing whether a middle ground option, namely have two queues, one for Lt to Commander, which spawns level 29/30 enemies, and another from Captain to VA which spawns level 50s, would work. I'm sure Cryptic could check the numbers on it to see would it be viable. Too bad they probably won't come in here and tell us... :D
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