I rather think I understand the point well enough. People think that having a Cloak and a Phaser Lance on top of what a normal cruiser of its level has is not enough. This despite the fact that this was known to be exactly the ship they were purchasing when they bought it.
This also despite the fact that the ship that is the stablemate to it (the Odyssey-Tactical) also only gets two special abilities (Quantumn Slipstream and Aquarius Escort).
And all of this on a hull that is defined as an upgraded retrofit of the Galaxy Class, and required extensive hull modifications to pull off.
Might as well ask for a new class of ship, as this one seems pretty much where it should be, and the only way it will satisfy people who don't think that is with the modifications I suggested.
But then, I don't -really- understand, do I?
I wouldn't mind a new ship at all to accomplish this.
The reason the topic is most prevalent with the Dreadnought is because people expect the Federation to have atleast one "Battlecruiser" and I think they expect more than what the Dreadnought and Odyssey Tactical deliver. Consider the Bortasqu Tactical on the Klingon side. That is what a "Battlecruiser" is supposed to be. Look at that and compare it to the Dreadnought and on the surface I think they were designed with the same goal in mind but the Dreadnought was stuff with engineering consoles and BOFF's instead. The Dreadnought seems to exist in the middle of two worlds of combat when it seems like it should just be Tactical. Hope I am making sense.
Judging by everyones response it sounds like I should just play Klingon to get what I want since the play community seems to hate people that want the Federation to have a Battlecruiser. Just don't understand the hatred.
...So you're saying the cloak works better on the Fed dread than the KDF ship ?
I have no idea how you were able to come to that conclusion based on what I said. I didn't say a thing about the Bortasqu cloak being less effective....
If you are trying to tell me that I should be happy with the Dreadnought being far inferior because the cloak works slightly better try again.
The Romulans were so friendly to give us the cloak for ****ty D7 Cruisers
Back to the topic,
If the Galaxy X gets a Refit I think I'm going to buy it. Atm I fly an Assualt Cruiser and I think I will buy the Regent for Dilithm (Dilithium Exchange). But I would throw it away for a Gal-R Refit!
Yes. they traded the ability for warp travel to an agressive empire which since then has attacked them several times and actually is more or less their blood enemy for.. the ability to hide.
Good job klinkers, good.job.
galx refit would be fine with +2 turnrate (bumping it to escelsior) and the regent boff setup.
Oh and make the lanco combo-capable with bo3? ^^
I have no idea how you were able to come to that conclusion based on what I said. I didn't say a thing about the Bortasqu cloak being less effective....
If you are trying to tell me that I should be happy with the Dreadnought being far inferior because the cloak works slightly better try again.
My bad, I thought you were saying the fed cloak was good for sneaking up on someone and 'one-shotting' them, in a ship with 4 forward weapons and ENG console heavy.
My bad, I thought you were saying the fed cloak was good for sneaking up on someone and 'one-shotting' them, in a ship with 4 forward weapons and ENG console heavy.
too funny.
It's the same Cloak the Klingons get....
With all the buffs on, quad cannons, 3 DHC's, 4 turrets on the back, and the phaser lance....yeah it can easily one shot people. The evidence to this is practically all over the place. If you that's not enough for you than I don't know what is.
With all the buffs on, quad cannons, 3 DHC's, 4 turrets on the back, and the phaser lance....yeah it can easily one shot people. The evidence to this is practically all over the place. If you that's not enough for you than I don't know what is.
Did I just hear the words One-Shot, Spinal Lance, and Quad Cannons in the same sentence? :rolleyes:
Did I just hear the words One-Shot, Spinal Lance, and Quad Cannons in the same sentence? :rolleyes:
I don't know if that's what you read as I don't know what level you're reading at. If you would like we could start with "Goodnight Moon" and see how you do?
The funniest part of this is when people tell me that the Dreadnought is a worthless pile of TRIBBLE and then when people ask to change it the same people say its too strong....
The Dreadnaught as is is perfectly fine. The only things that SHOULD be done is make a fleet version that bumps the LT Boff up to Commander and drop either a console slot or downgrade a Boff. The cloak is ok but I never use it. The Lance should be the energy type of choice. I would grind FM and maybe spend a couple dollars for those changes.
EDIT: A Tactical Cmdr slot, that is.
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If they were to do a refit of the Dreadnaught I?d really only like to see four simple changes to the ship to make it worthwhile for me to purchase it.
1. Remove the Cloaking Device console and make it a ship specific ability like the Phaser Lance
2. Add the Saucer Separation ability. (Saucer Separation disables the Phaser Lance)
3. Make the Lieutenant Science Slot a universal Lieutenant Slot.
4. Add another Science Console upgrade slot.
I agree that the cloak should be a ship ability akin to the Lance and similar to Klingon cloaks. But even then, I wont use it often if at all. Its not a combat cloak like the Klingons have, or like the Dreadnought used in "All Good Things" and as such its effectiveness will always be questionable.
Saucer separation is a must. It'd give the ship a much needed boost to maneuverability. Especially for players who run a high DPS cannon setup. The base turning speed is very low, too low even for such a ship.
Lieutenant Universal slot would be slightly too easy to use. Add another engineer Boff for some serious tanking? If any changes should be made to the Boff layout, it should be for a Tactical gain. Considering the Dreadnought is such a combat orientated vessel, its current Tac Boff slots are woefully underpowered.
Adding another science slot couldn't hurt. It'd be somewhere to place that useless cloak console...
I'd much rather they remove the Lance ability, combine it with the Cloaking device, and give it some RCS converter stats.
Dreadnought Cruiser Refit Package
+Cloak
+Spinal Phaser Lance if used on the Dreadnought Cruiser or Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser
This console can then be used on other Galaxy-class ships, and mounting the DCRP, AMS, and SSC on one ship will grant set bonuses to Driver Coils, Impulse Thrusters, and Power Recharge rate.
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I must confess i am not a big fan of the Galaxy X. I would prefer if we could get a Galaxy -R with the same Hull, BOFF & console layout as the Regent Class. (rather a Regent with the looks of a Galaxy Class.)
The Galaxy -X variant should get the same BOFF & console Layout, but a bit less hull and turnrate, in exchange for its phaser lance and cloak.
I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i am actually unable to find the right words in my native language.
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Just my 0,02 Eurons.
I must confess i am not a big fan of the Galaxy X. I would prefer if we could get a Galaxy -R with the same Hull, BOFF & console layout as the Regent Class. (rather a Regent with the looks of a Galaxy Class.)
The Galaxy -X variant should get the same BOFF & console Layout, but a bit less hull and turnrate, in exchange for its phaser lance and cloak.
I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i am actually unable to find the right words in my native language.
I've never understood this fascination with the Ambassador. Basically it only existed in 1 episode and for the sole purpose of showing off the Enterprise C. In every Star Trek game I've played otherwise that it was in, it was always one of the most despised Federation chassis types. Not so here *boggle*
The Galaxy X is in a similar boat. It's an alternate universe ship that Q conjures up briefly in the final episode of TNG, that Riker never actually commands because of Picard's choices.
Filler is filler. I'd rather see more pertinent designs added, or more 25th century style ones than the more trivial ships like these two.
At least with the Rhode Island, they made it a low level ship. I think it actually had more screen time than the Ambassador and Galaxy X combined. :rolleyes:
Just my 0,02 Eurons.
I must confess i am not a big fan of the Galaxy X. I would prefer if we could get a Galaxy -R with the same Hull, BOFF & console layout as the Regent Class. (rather a Regent with the looks of a Galaxy Class.)[/FONT]
The main idea is very few people will find value in it. There is no differentiation between the two ships at that point. It makes no sense for a business to have two models that are the same thing. Most people just get the Regent if the other ships specs aren't to their liking. The idea you had a bit back with enhanced science boff stations (two Lt.'s if memory serves) would at least serve to differentiate it from the other ships.
Also, what are you willing to give up to have the ship saucer separable?
The main idea is very few people will find value in it. There is no differentiation between the two ships at that point. It makes no sense for a business to have two models that are the same thing. Most people just get the Regent if the other ships specs aren't to their liking. The idea you had a bit back with enhanced science boff stations (two Lt.'s if memory serves) would at least serve to differentiate it from the other ships.
Also, what are you willing to give up to have the ship saucer separable?
Quite the contrary, i think Cryptic would make a lot of money with it. Especially people who are dissappointed by the Galaxy variants in STO would buy it.
On the other hand the Regent is just a Sovereign variant (ship model), it can be made to have the same appearance as the Sovereign class.
What about the other Mirror ships we have in STO?
They are the same ship model of slapped on another ship.
My suggestion is exactly the same, a Galaxy class with the stats of a Regent. They did the same thing with the Mirror Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser, RSV and DSSV.
About the saucer seperation, they easily could keep the Galaxy Class slow turn rate as tradeoff.
For all i care the Galaxy Battleship can go without a saucer seperation, but i wouldn't make it science focussed. I would leave that for the prime universe Galaxy Class.
Personally i think, the Mirror universe Galaxy Class Battleship would be perfectly ok with the Hull HP, BOFF and Console Layout of the Regent Class and maneuverability of a Galaxy Class so it could even keep the saucer sep. but i don't set a high value in it TBH.
It would be a pure fan service ship, thats all i want.
I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.
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When you start comparing c-store with RA ships, it becomes apples and oranges. You're also not making the proper comparisons. The Galaxy and Nebula is more appropriate, both in functionality, their roles and timeline.
If they did a MU galaxy, they'd have to do a MU Nebula in which case the Nebula would become the engineering oriented ship, and the galaxy a more sci focused ship. Somehow, I don't think that's what people would want, the MU Galaxy would be a hybridized sci ship, though with at least a decent turn rate.
I also don't see them making an MU Dreadnaught and allowing people to circumvent the C-Store by getting a cloak for a measely 100k after the first week.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the spinal mount's structure prevented saucer seperation, and that's why the Galaxy-X doesn't have it.
More than likely, they've been looking at the Tor'Kaht and deciding whether to continue using a similar layout and offering it to the Federation. It's pretty much the ultimate cannon cruiser in the game atm and is similar to a Galor in many respects. It wouldn't surprise me if the Vesta uses a similar setup.
The irony is, if it had been made a T5 fleet ship instead of the anniv Oddy, it'd have an extra engineering console and no BOFF change.
My guess is, if they do decide to explore this further, it'll be a new ship class entirely and not a Galaxy-X refit because the latter is decidedly an engineering ship, not a tactical cruiser.
Quite the contrary, i think Cryptic would make a lot of money with it. Especially people who are dissappointed by the Galaxy variants in STO would buy it.
On the other hand the Regent is just a Sovereign variant (ship model), it can be made to have the same appearance as the Sovereign class.
What about the other Mirror ships we have in STO?
They are the same ship model of slapped on another ship.
My suggestion is exactly the same, a Galaxy class with the stats of a Regent. They did the same thing with the Mirror Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser, RSV and DSSV.
About the saucer seperation, they easily could keep the Galaxy Class slow turn rate as tradeoff.
For all i care the Galaxy Battleship can go without a saucer seperation, but i wouldn't make it science focussed. I would leave that for the prime universe Galaxy Class.
Personally i think, the Mirror universe Galaxy Class Battleship would be perfectly ok with the Hull HP, BOFF and Console Layout of the Regent Class and maneuverability of a Galaxy Class so it could even keep the saucer sep. but i don't set a high value in it TBH.
It would be a pure fan service ship, thats all i want.
I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.
Mind you, there's already five iterations of the Galaxy class in the game:
-Captain Level Galaxy
-Venture Class
-Galaxy-R
-Galaxy-X
-Fleet Galaxy
That's more than any other ship in the game, even the Connie and Defiant classes (almost put together even). How many more do you want them to come out with, especially since most of what you desire is in an already existing ship class?
The thing that strikes me the most about the Galaxy-x is the terrible bridge officer layout. If it's suppose to be a dreadnought you would thing it would be more tactical in nature. Because of the lack of tactical skills this ship is reduced to alpha strikes...then it has to limp off until it's tactical skills recharge or remain engaged with the enemy doing sub-par damage. Revamp the bridge officer layout and the ship is instantly fixed.
The thing that strikes me the most about the Galaxy-x is the terrible bridge officer layout. If it's suppose to be a dreadnought you would thing it would be more tactical in nature. Because of the lack of tactical skills this ship is reduced to alpha strikes...then it has to limp off until it's tactical skills recharge or remain engaged with the enemy doing sub-par damage. Revamp the bridge officer layout and the ship is instantly fixed.
Actually, if a Tac runs it, it can shrink the cool-down time, as do many DOFF's. Plus you can use DEM, AB and a few other Engi skills to keep adding damage. I am not saying the ship is perfect (more of an extension of the basic design with a tweak), but isn't all that horrible.
Actually, if a Tac runs it, it can shrink the cool-down time, as do many DOFF's. Plus you can use DEM, AB and a few other Engi skills to keep adding damage. I am not saying the ship is perfect (more of an extension of the basic design with a tweak), but isn't all that horrible.
No it's not horrible, but it's not very good either. When compared with some of the other cruiser bridge officer layouts it just seems really weak. I really want to like the ship, but everytime I look at that bridge layout I think meh...pass.
No it's not horrible, but it's not very good either. When compared with some of the other cruiser bridge officer layouts it just seems really weak. I really want to like the ship, but everytime I look at that bridge layout I think meh...pass.
And thats the great thing about having so many cruiser hulls to choose from, if one doesnt do it for you, you can try another. There are many times where the extra engie boffs come in handy for me, other times not.
Mind you, there's already five iterations of the Galaxy class in the game:
-Captain Level Galaxy
-Venture Class
-Galaxy-R
-Galaxy-X
-Fleet Galaxy
That's more than any other ship in the game, even the Connie and Defiant classes (almost put together even). How many more do you want them to come out with, especially since most of what you desire is in an already existing ship class?
I need only one, but one that is actually useable and versatile. I don't need a Super tank in this game, even escorts can tank well enough, i especiall don't want to see the Galaxy Class in that role. Cryptic should have taken one of their designs, like the original Dreadnought (you know the flying skyskraper) for that role.
What i want is finally to get a Galaxy Class which isn't the most boring ship in the game. Even if this ship is just a copy of another ship class, which only looks like a Galaxy Class.
If it where up to me, all other Galaxy Class variants could get erased and substituted with just one Galaxy Class in STO, a Regent clone that looks like a Galaxy Class.
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I think a Mirror universe Galaxy and Galaxy X
Should be released
With a full tactical orientation to them they would
Be cannon to that universe
No cloak
No cannons because there not cannon
Same movement and speed
Same crummy turn rate
Keep Spinal Lance
Beefed up phaser arrays at average Dps
of a avg escort "bound to ship"
Gal X
Consoles.........Boffs
5 Eng............:Cmdr Tac
3 Tac..............LT Cmdr Eng
2 sci...............LT Cmdr. Sci
.......................LT. Tac
The Galaxy should have
Uni commander giving the play a choice where
To put his/her commander better fitting the role
As a multi purpose ship
Their slow can't cloak turns slow accelerates slow
But do offer a high Dps cruiser for those who want one
As a Mirror ship it should be available to both factions
Many ships I'n the game are already more powerful
Than this already
Saucer sep isn't something the Mirror universe
Would consider either
It's cost should reflect it's power Sold as a 2 pack
5000 zen perhaps
Cool thing for cryptic there already made
Minor skin color changes
Minor programming time
No need for special consoles
I think it would sell well and not be overpowered
Or threaten escorts but would fill a Nich missing
I'n cruisers
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I need only one, but one that is actually useable and versatile. I don't need a Super tank in this game, even escorts can tank well enough, i especiall don't want to see the Galaxy Class in that role. Cryptic should have taken one of their designs, like the original Dreadnought (you know the flying skyskraper) for that role.
What i want is finally to get a Galaxy Class which isn't the most boring ship in the game. Even if this ship is just a copy of another ship class, which only looks like a Galaxy Class.
If it where up to me, all other Galaxy Class variants could get erased and substituted with just one Galaxy Class in STO, a Regent clone that looks like a Galaxy Class.
Your posts always make me lauugh. Your last chance at your super galaxy was most likely the fleet version. I don't think cryptic will be updating the galaxy class anytime soon You've basically got two choices. Use the garbage galaxy, or use the regent since its exactly what you want...other then the skin of course.
Your posts always make me lauugh. Your last chance at your super galaxy was most likely the fleet version. I don't think cryptic will be updating the galaxy class anytime soon You've basically got two choices. Use the garbage galaxy, or use the regent since its exactly what you want...other then the skin of course.
That sort of what I have been hinting at. His issue is he can't get past captaining any other ship skin than a Galaxy class. I can appreciate and respect his desire, but desire does not necessitate reality.
To me its sort of similar to someone wanting to drive an Akira (and variants) because it was their favorite and complaining that isn't tanky enough because it in the show it was supposed to be a workhorse cruiser and a replacement for the Excelsior class. Or that the Defiant is too much of a "glass canon" because it was tougher in DS9.
I love the look of the Sovy' and would love to drive the Regent (in Sovy' skin) more, but the versatility of the Excel' keeps pulling me back in. Luckily I love the look of the Excel as well. Yreo' doesn't like the looks of the other cruisers and doesn't want to be seeing his space avatar looking bad. I can understand that, but its simple economics; drive the ship that you like the looks of the most, or drive the ship that is the most effective for your playstyle, sometimes both ships are not the same and you end up choosing the ship with the worse appearance.
drive the ship that you like the looks of the most, or drive the ship that is the most effective for your playstyle, sometimes both ships are not the same and you end up choosing the ship with the worse appearance.
Or do a little of both. Prometheus isn't my favorite ship, but it's what you'll find me running eSTF in. I also have a Chimera loaded with Adv. Fleet weapons for doing non-Borg stuff. I have a Venture-X too. I love it, it looks really cool. Unfortunately, I haven't found a build that I'd use for running really challenging content. BUT... for putting around the galaxy running dailies and TRIBBLE around, I have a lot of fun in it.
Personally, I love the Gal-X. The BOFF layout could use a tweak or two though, maybe more like the Sovvy. It's my understanding that adding the phaser lance removed the ship's abilty to separate the saucer section because it is physically mounted to both the saucer and engineering hull. In a novel I read some time ago, the lance is referred to as a "Type U Planetary Defense Cannon" which was raided by Admiral Riker from the parts stockpile of a starbase that was never built.
It is a challenging ship to get the most out of, especially for my Sci VA. Mine is loaded with the quad cannon, one dhc, and two singles, with turrets out back. Use Evasive to extend out of combat range, cloak, come about, close to point blank range, hit crf, dem, weapons battery, decloak, drain shields, fire all the cannons and turrets, then lance. Makes most targets very squishy.
I do think that since the Gal-X is supposed to be a very heavily modified boat, it SHOULD have a better turn rate than the standard Gal or Gal-R. Not Excelsior good, but at least better than it is.
Your last chance at your super galaxy was most likely the fleet version. I don't think cryptic will be updating the galaxy class anytime soon You've basically got two choices. Use the garbage galaxy, or use the regent since its exactly what you want...other then the skin of course.
Lol, that's why i want a Regent with a galaxy class Skin, is that so hard to comprehend?
It wouldn't unbalance anything, the "garbage" galaxy Class would still be in game, so you or anyone else are free to keep flying it as long as you want.
The point is that i don't want to fly a ship which looks either ugly (sovereign Style or most escorts) or uses cannons (escorts/ Akira).
I find cannons i STO are just annoying, i want to fly a big spaceship, without having to dogfight. If i wanted to do this i would play another game.
That sort of what I have been hinting at. His issue is he can't get past captaining any other ship skin than a Galaxy class. I can appreciate and respect his desire, but desire does not necessitate reality.
To me its sort of similar to someone wanting to drive an Akira (and variants) because it was their favorite and complaining that isn't tanky enough because it in the show it was supposed to be a workhorse cruiser and a replacement for the Excelsior class. Or that the Defiant is too much of a "glass canon" because it was tougher in DS9.
I love the look of the Sovy' and would love to drive the Regent (in Sovy' skin) more, but the versatility of the Excel' keeps pulling me back in. Luckily I love the look of the Excel as well. Yreo' doesn't like the looks of the other cruisers and doesn't want to be seeing his space avatar looking bad. I can understand that, but its simple economics; drive the ship that you like the looks of the most, or drive the ship that is the most effective for your playstyle, sometimes both ships are not the same and you end up choosing the ship with the worse appearance.
I have several other characters captaining other ships than a Galaxy Class.
Other characters fly a Mirror Assault Cruiser (just for the looks), Galor, D'Kora, Orb Weaver, Nebula, even a Regent. All those ships fit to my playstyle more or less, i don't like the looks of any of those ships, i somethimes even hate how they look.
What i want is to get finally ONE single ship that looks acceptable AND fits halfway to my playstyle at the same time.
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I doubt they will do much more with the galaxy now , a shame , but the supposedly upcoming dreadnought update is probably only thing that'll be done to a ( derivative ) of it
I love my dreadnought, it my be getting left behind in the current power creep of new ships but it's still the one I play the most.
I know I could max my dips, tanking etc on other ships but I play for fun and that little bit extra oomph just doesn't of set the joy I get from flying my dread, now on to the topic.
I don't like the idea of saucer sep for the dread or the idea of a shot gun lance, what I feel would be better is a redesigned saucer, trimmed on the sides a bit more angular, same for the hull.
The reasoning for this is Starfleet has a limited number of these powerful ships but they are getting outdated against new designs. How best to make the best out of what they got, instead of a complete resign of the main weapon why not make it more useful. Adding amour and decreasing its mass would make sense. On a warship why have such a large saucer designed for families etc, trim the edges to reduce weight and inertia, add extra RCS at the same time.
If I had any art skills I would draw an idea but I dont.
The up side of this, give the ship an improved turn rate and low inertia, as an extra bonus increase the Tac levels by one level each.
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I wouldn't mind a new ship at all to accomplish this.
The reason the topic is most prevalent with the Dreadnought is because people expect the Federation to have atleast one "Battlecruiser" and I think they expect more than what the Dreadnought and Odyssey Tactical deliver. Consider the Bortasqu Tactical on the Klingon side. That is what a "Battlecruiser" is supposed to be. Look at that and compare it to the Dreadnought and on the surface I think they were designed with the same goal in mind but the Dreadnought was stuff with engineering consoles and BOFF's instead. The Dreadnought seems to exist in the middle of two worlds of combat when it seems like it should just be Tactical. Hope I am making sense.
Judging by everyones response it sounds like I should just play Klingon to get what I want since the play community seems to hate people that want the Federation to have a Battlecruiser. Just don't understand the hatred.
I have no idea how you were able to come to that conclusion based on what I said. I didn't say a thing about the Bortasqu cloak being less effective....
If you are trying to tell me that I should be happy with the Dreadnought being far inferior because the cloak works slightly better try again.
Yes. they traded the ability for warp travel to an agressive empire which since then has attacked them several times and actually is more or less their blood enemy for.. the ability to hide.
Good job klinkers, good.job.
galx refit would be fine with +2 turnrate (bumping it to escelsior) and the regent boff setup.
Oh and make the lanco combo-capable with bo3? ^^
My bad, I thought you were saying the fed cloak was good for sneaking up on someone and 'one-shotting' them, in a ship with 4 forward weapons and ENG console heavy.
too funny.
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It's the same Cloak the Klingons get....
With all the buffs on, quad cannons, 3 DHC's, 4 turrets on the back, and the phaser lance....yeah it can easily one shot people. The evidence to this is practically all over the place. If you that's not enough for you than I don't know what is.
Did I just hear the words One-Shot, Spinal Lance, and Quad Cannons in the same sentence? :rolleyes:
I don't know if that's what you read as I don't know what level you're reading at. If you would like we could start with "Goodnight Moon" and see how you do?
The funniest part of this is when people tell me that the Dreadnought is a worthless pile of TRIBBLE and then when people ask to change it the same people say its too strong....
EDIT: A Tactical Cmdr slot, that is.
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I agree that the cloak should be a ship ability akin to the Lance and similar to Klingon cloaks. But even then, I wont use it often if at all. Its not a combat cloak like the Klingons have, or like the Dreadnought used in "All Good Things" and as such its effectiveness will always be questionable.
Saucer separation is a must. It'd give the ship a much needed boost to maneuverability. Especially for players who run a high DPS cannon setup. The base turning speed is very low, too low even for such a ship.
Lieutenant Universal slot would be slightly too easy to use. Add another engineer Boff for some serious tanking? If any changes should be made to the Boff layout, it should be for a Tactical gain. Considering the Dreadnought is such a combat orientated vessel, its current Tac Boff slots are woefully underpowered.
Adding another science slot couldn't hurt. It'd be somewhere to place that useless cloak console...
Dreadnought Cruiser Refit Package
+Cloak
+Spinal Phaser Lance if used on the Dreadnought Cruiser or Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser
This console can then be used on other Galaxy-class ships, and mounting the DCRP, AMS, and SSC on one ship will grant set bonuses to Driver Coils, Impulse Thrusters, and Power Recharge rate.
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I must confess i am not a big fan of the Galaxy X. I would prefer if we could get a Galaxy -R with the same Hull, BOFF & console layout as the Regent Class.
(rather a Regent with the looks of a Galaxy Class.)
The Galaxy -X variant should get the same BOFF & console Layout, but a bit less hull and turnrate, in exchange for its phaser lance and cloak.
I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i am actually unable to find the right words in my native language.
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Ambassador Dreadnought
I've never understood this fascination with the Ambassador. Basically it only existed in 1 episode and for the sole purpose of showing off the Enterprise C. In every Star Trek game I've played otherwise that it was in, it was always one of the most despised Federation chassis types. Not so here *boggle*
The Galaxy X is in a similar boat. It's an alternate universe ship that Q conjures up briefly in the final episode of TNG, that Riker never actually commands because of Picard's choices.
Filler is filler. I'd rather see more pertinent designs added, or more 25th century style ones than the more trivial ships like these two.
At least with the Rhode Island, they made it a low level ship. I think it actually had more screen time than the Ambassador and Galaxy X combined. :rolleyes:
The main idea is very few people will find value in it. There is no differentiation between the two ships at that point. It makes no sense for a business to have two models that are the same thing. Most people just get the Regent if the other ships specs aren't to their liking. The idea you had a bit back with enhanced science boff stations (two Lt.'s if memory serves) would at least serve to differentiate it from the other ships.
Also, what are you willing to give up to have the ship saucer separable?
On the other hand the Regent is just a Sovereign variant (ship model), it can be made to have the same appearance as the Sovereign class.
What about the other Mirror ships we have in STO?
They are the same ship model of slapped on another ship.
My suggestion is exactly the same, a Galaxy class with the stats of a Regent. They did the same thing with the Mirror Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser, RSV and DSSV.
About the saucer seperation, they easily could keep the Galaxy Class slow turn rate as tradeoff.
For all i care the Galaxy Battleship can go without a saucer seperation, but i wouldn't make it science focussed. I would leave that for the prime universe Galaxy Class.
Personally i think, the Mirror universe Galaxy Class Battleship would be perfectly ok with the Hull HP, BOFF and Console Layout of the Regent Class and maneuverability of a Galaxy Class so it could even keep the saucer sep. but i don't set a high value in it TBH.
It would be a pure fan service ship, thats all i want.
I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.
If they did a MU galaxy, they'd have to do a MU Nebula in which case the Nebula would become the engineering oriented ship, and the galaxy a more sci focused ship. Somehow, I don't think that's what people would want, the MU Galaxy would be a hybridized sci ship, though with at least a decent turn rate.
I also don't see them making an MU Dreadnaught and allowing people to circumvent the C-Store by getting a cloak for a measely 100k after the first week.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the spinal mount's structure prevented saucer seperation, and that's why the Galaxy-X doesn't have it.
More than likely, they've been looking at the Tor'Kaht and deciding whether to continue using a similar layout and offering it to the Federation. It's pretty much the ultimate cannon cruiser in the game atm and is similar to a Galor in many respects. It wouldn't surprise me if the Vesta uses a similar setup.
The irony is, if it had been made a T5 fleet ship instead of the anniv Oddy, it'd have an extra engineering console and no BOFF change.
My guess is, if they do decide to explore this further, it'll be a new ship class entirely and not a Galaxy-X refit because the latter is decidedly an engineering ship, not a tactical cruiser.
Mind you, there's already five iterations of the Galaxy class in the game:
-Captain Level Galaxy
-Venture Class
-Galaxy-R
-Galaxy-X
-Fleet Galaxy
That's more than any other ship in the game, even the Connie and Defiant classes (almost put together even). How many more do you want them to come out with, especially since most of what you desire is in an already existing ship class?
Actually, if a Tac runs it, it can shrink the cool-down time, as do many DOFF's. Plus you can use DEM, AB and a few other Engi skills to keep adding damage. I am not saying the ship is perfect (more of an extension of the basic design with a tweak), but isn't all that horrible.
No it's not horrible, but it's not very good either. When compared with some of the other cruiser bridge officer layouts it just seems really weak. I really want to like the ship, but everytime I look at that bridge layout I think meh...pass.
And thats the great thing about having so many cruiser hulls to choose from, if one doesnt do it for you, you can try another. There are many times where the extra engie boffs come in handy for me, other times not.
I need only one, but one that is actually useable and versatile. I don't need a Super tank in this game, even escorts can tank well enough, i especiall don't want to see the Galaxy Class in that role. Cryptic should have taken one of their designs, like the original Dreadnought (you know the flying skyskraper) for that role.
What i want is finally to get a Galaxy Class which isn't the most boring ship in the game. Even if this ship is just a copy of another ship class, which only looks like a Galaxy Class.
If it where up to me, all other Galaxy Class variants could get erased and substituted with just one Galaxy Class in STO, a Regent clone that looks like a Galaxy Class.
Should be released
With a full tactical orientation to them they would
Be cannon to that universe
No cloak
No cannons because there not cannon
Same movement and speed
Same crummy turn rate
Keep Spinal Lance
Beefed up phaser arrays at average Dps
of a avg escort "bound to ship"
Gal X
Consoles.........Boffs
5 Eng............:Cmdr Tac
3 Tac..............LT Cmdr Eng
2 sci...............LT Cmdr. Sci
.......................LT. Tac
The Galaxy should have
Uni commander giving the play a choice where
To put his/her commander better fitting the role
As a multi purpose ship
Their slow can't cloak turns slow accelerates slow
But do offer a high Dps cruiser for those who want one
As a Mirror ship it should be available to both factions
Many ships I'n the game are already more powerful
Than this already
Saucer sep isn't something the Mirror universe
Would consider either
It's cost should reflect it's power Sold as a 2 pack
5000 zen perhaps
Cool thing for cryptic there already made
Minor skin color changes
Minor programming time
No need for special consoles
I think it would sell well and not be overpowered
Or threaten escorts but would fill a Nich missing
I'n cruisers
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Your posts always make me lauugh. Your last chance at your super galaxy was most likely the fleet version. I don't think cryptic will be updating the galaxy class anytime soon You've basically got two choices. Use the garbage galaxy, or use the regent since its exactly what you want...other then the skin of course.
That sort of what I have been hinting at. His issue is he can't get past captaining any other ship skin than a Galaxy class. I can appreciate and respect his desire, but desire does not necessitate reality.
To me its sort of similar to someone wanting to drive an Akira (and variants) because it was their favorite and complaining that isn't tanky enough because it in the show it was supposed to be a workhorse cruiser and a replacement for the Excelsior class. Or that the Defiant is too much of a "glass canon" because it was tougher in DS9.
I love the look of the Sovy' and would love to drive the Regent (in Sovy' skin) more, but the versatility of the Excel' keeps pulling me back in. Luckily I love the look of the Excel as well. Yreo' doesn't like the looks of the other cruisers and doesn't want to be seeing his space avatar looking bad. I can understand that, but its simple economics; drive the ship that you like the looks of the most, or drive the ship that is the most effective for your playstyle, sometimes both ships are not the same and you end up choosing the ship with the worse appearance.
Or do a little of both. Prometheus isn't my favorite ship, but it's what you'll find me running eSTF in. I also have a Chimera loaded with Adv. Fleet weapons for doing non-Borg stuff. I have a Venture-X too. I love it, it looks really cool. Unfortunately, I haven't found a build that I'd use for running really challenging content. BUT... for putting around the galaxy running dailies and TRIBBLE around, I have a lot of fun in it.
It is a challenging ship to get the most out of, especially for my Sci VA. Mine is loaded with the quad cannon, one dhc, and two singles, with turrets out back. Use Evasive to extend out of combat range, cloak, come about, close to point blank range, hit crf, dem, weapons battery, decloak, drain shields, fire all the cannons and turrets, then lance. Makes most targets very squishy.
I do think that since the Gal-X is supposed to be a very heavily modified boat, it SHOULD have a better turn rate than the standard Gal or Gal-R. Not Excelsior good, but at least better than it is.
Do you just randomly try to offend people or did you just start with it?
Lol, that's why i want a Regent with a galaxy class Skin, is that so hard to comprehend?
It wouldn't unbalance anything, the "garbage" galaxy Class would still be in game, so you or anyone else are free to keep flying it as long as you want.
The point is that i don't want to fly a ship which looks either ugly (sovereign Style or most escorts) or uses cannons (escorts/ Akira).
I find cannons i STO are just annoying, i want to fly a big spaceship, without having to dogfight. If i wanted to do this i would play another game.
I have several other characters captaining other ships than a Galaxy Class.
Other characters fly a Mirror Assault Cruiser (just for the looks), Galor, D'Kora, Orb Weaver, Nebula, even a Regent. All those ships fit to my playstyle more or less, i don't like the looks of any of those ships, i somethimes even hate how they look.
What i want is to get finally ONE single ship that looks acceptable AND fits halfway to my playstyle at the same time.
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I know I could max my dips, tanking etc on other ships but I play for fun and that little bit extra oomph just doesn't of set the joy I get from flying my dread, now on to the topic.
I don't like the idea of saucer sep for the dread or the idea of a shot gun lance, what I feel would be better is a redesigned saucer, trimmed on the sides a bit more angular, same for the hull.
The reasoning for this is Starfleet has a limited number of these powerful ships but they are getting outdated against new designs. How best to make the best out of what they got, instead of a complete resign of the main weapon why not make it more useful. Adding amour and decreasing its mass would make sense. On a warship why have such a large saucer designed for families etc, trim the edges to reduce weight and inertia, add extra RCS at the same time.
If I had any art skills I would draw an idea but I dont.
The up side of this, give the ship an improved turn rate and low inertia, as an extra bonus increase the Tac levels by one level each.
My Fleet dread, I can only hope......
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