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Zen to Dilithium Values Reduced??
clannmac
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Am I mistaken, or have they reduced the amount of Dilithium/Zen? Last week, I recall 1 Zen = 225 Dilithium; today 1 Zen = 192 Dilithium?
Before I get really angry and say something amount money-grubbing and/or robbery, can someone set me straight on this?
Before I get really angry and say something amount money-grubbing and/or robbery, can someone set me straight on this?
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
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I actually like that the dilithium price of zen is dropping. It's far easier for me to farm dilithium than it is for me to shell out money for zen.
I agree with this statement. The only reason this message is this long is because when I just tried saying agreed it said it was too short.
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
In general, low value of dilithium per zen benefits everyone except people who want to buy dilithium and it benefits them just fine as long as they're willing to pay.
In general, the less dilithium you can buy with a Zen, the more VALUE actual gameplay has.
It actually is very cool that the players have some sort of control over at least one currency. I agree with the play vs. Zen thing, but thought I might spend my stipend on a bit of the purple stuff - sure as hell not going to use it for the overpriced TRIBBLE in the Zen store...
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
I don't have much use in a starbase so it lets me stock up on Zen.
So for those that need dilithium going $$$ -> zen -> dilithium is getting more expensive.
Of course those that want to trade dil -> zen this is a good situation.
Out of all your posts this is my favourite. I salute your market manipulation, as it benefits most of us.
FACT
175 is the correct value (zen/cp adjust) from the pre starbase stupidity
speculators will always fail
Set by the players.. blah, blah, blah...
I want to know how is that money-grubbing? The rate is more favorable to dilithium hoarders now than is was a week ago. "Those mean old Perfect World people. Charging me less for stuff. *sniff*"
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We already know (well some of us do) for a fact that a certain Cryptic producer paid hundreds of millions upon millions of energy credits to remove the ferengi purple lock boxes from the exchange listings. He used his magical developer powers to conjure up that many hundreds of millions of energy credits
There is no proof the Cryptic isn't just generating Cryptic points magically the same way to drive the market price because dilithium is so in demand right now.
You mean to tell me they will jack with one aspect of the economy but not the other because they are a moral and ethical company? You are either naive or a comedian.
They are here to make money hand over fist and the price of the dilithium exchange currently with dilithium so in demand certainly facilitates this.
Others tried to tell the person that they Cryptic does not take a cut - that those prices were player postings. They said WRONG CRYPTIC DOES TAKE A CUT - LOOK AT THE 5 POINT DIFFERENCE!!
Then the conversation went down into insults and name calling. Because the person just could not understand the exchange window shows the last 5 best trades. They just didn't know how the exchange worked.
272 would have been, actually.
And more demand for dilithium and people placing a higher cash value on it encourages logging in and playing the game to get your C-Store stuff for free.
272 dilithium per ZEN is about the same as 340 dilithium per C-Point.
It was around 340 before the currency conversion.
before the madness struck C points traded for ABOUT 200
my 375 sell of my entire z-points collection and 195 rebuy say otherwise...
120 is the correct value when converting from Emblems.
Here's my proof:
Before dilithium was introduced, VA ships could be purchased for 500 emblems.
1 VA ship = 500 Emblems = 1600 CP = 2000 ZEN
You could earn emblems from dailies which rewarded 1-3 Emblems. After the change to dilithium, the dailies that rewarded 3 emblems now gave 1440 dilithium and ones that gave 1 emblem gave 480 dilithium.
1 Daily that rewarded 3 Emblems = 1440 dilithium
1 Emblem = 480 dilithium
So if a VA ship was worth about 500 emblems, that means that
500 Emblem = 240,000 dilithium = 2000 ZEN
Which means that if you divide the ZEN and dilithium by 2000, you get
1 ZEN = 120 dilithium
If the price is higher or lower than that, that's just how the market works. But in terms of work put into the game, if you wanted to be able to buy ships at about the same rate as before, the rate would have to be 120 dilithium per zen.
If you're just talking about what the price was right before season 6 came out, that's irrelevant since the exchange is affected by the supply and demand, and those have changed. If you mean in general, I've seen the dilithium exchange go as high as 450 dilithium per CP to as low as 174 dilithium per CP before season 6 came out.
Dilithium and Zen are corporate currencies that affect Cryptic's income. Cryptic isn't going to do anything to TRIBBLE with that. But even if they did they would take the Exchange in the exact opposite direction it has been going for the last 3 weeks. They'd want more Dilithium per Zen, not less. They'd want Dilithium to go for 500 for 1 Zen. That way all the grinding people do would earn them less Zen - and thus they'd get less free stuff.
When Cryptic established the system the price was round 120 Dilithium per Zen. Since then it's gone up and down - all due to what the players demand/need - just like the stock market. .
a) Free players still have to gather a considerable amount of dilithium, so they don't get C-Store stuff too easy.
b) Paying players get less dilithium for Zen, which means they have to spend more money than a month ago.
If the price of Zen is too low, less people spend money on Zen. If the price is too high the company looses free players (who would still occasionally buy something for real money). I would say the 200-250 range is optimal. Of course the extremes are also good for certain groups but not for the majority.
At 500 per I would be earning 34 Zen per day, or just over 1,000 Zen per month. From a financial perspective Crytpic would rather I earn 1,000 Zen per month then 2,500 - because at 1,000 I'd need to purchase Zen from them to buy the various ships/items released each month.
The higher the Dilithium rate the more money Cryptic can make because they're not giving as big a discount in the C-Store - where all their income comes from.
And I don't think they're losing any free players over the cost of Dilithum, as people are willing to spend $125.00 on Lockboxes just to get a Tholian ship.
The only way cryptic makes money is if people purchase zen. The more zen people purchase the better for cryptic's bottom line. I think we can all agree on that.
People do two things when they purchase zen. They buy in game virtual items from the c-store or they trade it for dilithium. Currently, the starbases are a huge dilithium sink which makes dilithium in high demand.
Dilithium is a time gated currency. Only so much can enter they economy with in a 24 hour period. Zen however is an unlimited currency that is only regulated by your purchasing power. Currently in the short term with dilithium in such a high demand, the lower you make the return for your zen to dilithium means more players have to re-purchse more zen for dilithium. This generates more profit in the short term for cryptic than giving a high return of dilithium for zen.
Now if that helps or hurts cryptic in the long run with people grinding the other way - dilithium to zen is up for debate but I'd wager that they are making more money currently of folks purchasing zen and trading it for dilithium versus the loss of folks trading dilithium for zen to subsidize their c-store purchases. The average player is too casual to grind out a TRIBBLE load of dilithium.
I realize that some hardcore players can grind 17 bazilliion dilithium per day but this is not typical for the average player who only play a few hours per day.
With Fleet bases there's a greater demand for dilithium so players with the money to spend are willing to take a loss on zen to get it quickly.
It balances out for Cryptic, they still make money on the initial zen purchase, players getting more zen per dilithium pretty much equals those losing zen to buy dilithium. Cryptic actually profits because Zen has a real world value while dilithium and everything it can purchase does not.
It's makes for a real good time to sell dilithium, but a lousy time to buy it, unless Zen sellers stop undercutting each other. As a dilithium seller I'm not going to complain about the current situation.
Offer to sell your ZEN at 225 or 230, might take a few days to sell, but it'll go.
Zen/dil exchange rates are player driven
Emblem ships were per character and about 1/3rd as valuable.
I always calculated an emblem at about 1.3 cents in value because of that.