Fleet Marauder would be insta-get for me. The Fleet Corsair they butchered the boff layout so it isn't really an improvement over the Marauder, just a side step. And while the retrofit Corsair keeps the boff layout it has way less hull.
A fleet Hegh'ta with the stats/slots of the Bug ship. I don't need a cloak with that kind of firepower.
The Bugship is easily the most OP ship in the entire game and then some. We don't need more unbalanced stuff like that in the game.
As for a hypothetical fleet ship, I'd say this: A K'Vort class BOP. It essentially was a BOP enlarged to a Cruiser size. It was powerful and naturally more durable than the original, much smaller version. But it also did not have the same agility as the smaller version.
The B'Rel model is already in the game. Make it bigger for a K'Vort.
They just buffed it to keep it in line with the new fleet ships. If that's where they want things then so be it, but I'll be dammed if I ask for "less" when everything else is getting more powerful. Hybrids are on the rise and the flexibility that the BOP class once offered has been greatly diminished, and it's only going to get worse with new ships.
So no, I have no problem asking for a bug ship look alike with my favourite Klingon ship skin. That's where things stand with "balance", and unless they go nerf the fed fleet ships & the bug I'm not going to ask for "less" for the sake of bringing the balance bar back to where it was. You and I both know they are not going to nerf fleet ships or the bug, so why ask for less when the ceiling of power has been raised.
At the end of the day I just want my BOP to be on an equal level (what ever that may be at the time) with other escorts, and as it stands the BOP gives up its soul for flexibility that newer ships are getting with minimal drawback. There's no Klingon fleet escort that counters the F:AE or the F:TER, so why not ask for one ?
This game is making a shift to Zynga type activity. I know the big guy worked there for a while, but why take the idea that every new thing has to be bought with real cash is beyond me. This isn't the path an MMO with longevity should take. If the developers insist on constantly adding Zynga-nomics it is going to kill this MMO.
I am sorry I think that the idea of fleet ships is great but even to get a fleet ship you must pay cash not just go through the issues of joining a fleet or creating one then there is the economics of building up the shipyard. Why when they did this additional game play could they not have added a Lt. Gen. KDF ship that was energy credit based or even one which was Dilithium only based?
Milking players constantly is counterproductive and does not lead to better game play and fixed bugs just the next new shiny thing we must have. STOP THE MADNESS. Be happy people will buy memberships and the occasional item.
I want a Fleet B'rel, and another Fleet raptor with a different boff layout then the Qin, but not with the nerfed hull and shields of the Fleet Somraw.
there really should have been a fleet gorn tier 4 ship, with a recon sci setup. if not only becase there is a fleet orian and fleet nasican ship.
the fleet ktinga is the best cruiser in the game imo. the turn rate gives it amazing flexibility for beams and cannons, and the durability hit is extreamly minor.
of course the fleet vorcha is the dream cruiser for all the kirks out there, but for a cruiser doing its cruiser job, ktinga is best.
I don't know, i have the fleet vorcha, and in practice i find its performance to be only moderate for a tac captain. for a eng captain it should be much better.
the boff layout is way to splintered compared to the original vorcha.
Currently i'm debating going back to my old vorcha.
I don't know, i have the fleet vorcha, and in practice i find its performance to be only moderate for a tac captain. for a eng captain it should be much better.
the boff layout is way to splintered compared to the original vorcha.
Currently i'm debating going back to my old vorcha.
get at least 3 blue damage control doffs, you can run EPtW and EPtS with basically 100% up time with only 1 copy of each. that should free up some eng stations
It starts out with retrofits, then fleet ships, then it will be tactical wings, and so and so on selling you a ship with small increases in stats and with this will be rising profit for the company but you will mainly still have pi canis and whatever rehashed fed stuff they copy and paste for us KDF players.
Its just nickel and diming and bleed it dry and then stick those dev resources into the next game before this one fades away thats how they do it to it.
its right kdf get from my side 0 interesting ships in starbase but i lvl starbase for fun, but its sad to build a base for nothing only coz the great company give the fed some interesting option into for that it makes sense to upgrade and kdf nothing.
and on the karfi story like only c store ships with a console get fleet versions i never have seen a answer on any way from cryptic.
I would gladly pay for a Qin C-Store variant skin, particularly one who's hull included some of the Puyjaq's cannon artwork...
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For the paltry sum of 3000 zen I can have a fleet koro-tinga that my raptor can turn circles around, and with a BOFF layout a garbage scowl could be proud of. At least it's pretty.
Now lets get serious- PWE can have my money IF they take the fleet K'Tinga: Fleet K'Tinga Retrofit
To answer the question originally asked, heck, give every ship a fleet version. That is really a no brainer.
I will likely never own a lock box ship. I hate lock boxes with a soul seething contempt descending to the gates of Hell. I have spent 3000 zen on them, gotten some ok stuff, but 3000 zen could have unlocked much better stuff so it won't happen again.
Just put everything up for sale for a real competitive price and I may buy what I want. I'm not weak minded enough to get into the compete with the Jones' mentality of buying just because someone else has it.
What I would like to see is more z-store science ships of KDF variety that fit the Klingon style, more raptors, and for the love of...just increase the B'rell weapons to 4 and 4. It's a purchasable Tier 5 ship! It SHOULD have more weapons than a regular BoP.
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Garumba kar`fi, heck most of them overtime. Im just not honna spend all my money one time and be expected to keep doing it everytime the next "new" purchasible comes along
You got that right..
you hear me, Cryptic/PWE? We aren't going to buy ships (pay real life money) if you are just going to make them obsolete at a future date....
... that would be stupid of us.
Scenario:
You go buy an expensive T.V. from a retailer. You get it home and hook it up and watch it. Then, the next day you come home to find your T.V. stolen. Little did you know, that the retailer you purchased the TV from had broke into your home to steal it. You file an insurance claim and they give you the money to go buy a new T.V. You then go back to the original retailer (because you didn't know they stole the first one) and you buy the next model up because they no longer sold your old T.V.
Rinse and Repeat.
This is what Cyptic did with fleet ships. Just because insurance picks up the cost of the T.V., does not mean you haven't paid for that T.V. over and over again for years on the insurance premiums. But we don't have insurance for online games.. do we?
I rest my case.
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MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
you hear me, Cryptic/PWE? We aren't going to buy ships (pay real life money) if you are just going to make them obsolete at a future date....
... that would be stupid of us.
Considering that the standard philosophie of " Things must be a little OP if players are going to buy them" means each new wave of stuff that comes out will be slightly more OP than the last, why bother to buy the old or try to keep up with the new.
Though sadly I may buy theFleet Somraw raptor. "May" mind you. I have not been completely sold on it, even if it can be fitted with a BOff layout like many Tac Jem'hadar attack ship of CMD;Tac/LTC:Tac/Ens:Eng/LT:Eng/LT:Sci.
The thing that PW/Cryptic keeps over looking is the Klingon side is getting more and more popular and the reason for this popularity is the star base. i understand even though we don't have the player base yet that the federation dose we still have loyal players that play on the Klingon side and of those players a lot of them spend lots of money on this game (my self included) on every thing from ships to the lock box keys. so if y'all could just put a little more love our way we would deferentially get the fleet versions of those ships and you would still be making bank
LOL,
An invisible scout ship with more weapons than a battlecruiser.
And Klingon science ships ?
I MUST be in the wrong timeline, thats just too funny to be serious.
Let's see. The Feds have the Dreadnought. 4/4 with a cloaking device. They have T5 escorts with 4/3 and a cloaking device. So how would it be in any way unreasonable that the KDF high command would order the B'Rel T5 z store ship to be designed 4/3 with a enhanced battle cloak to help counter those ships? And it wouldn't be "op" as it still has less hull and shields.
Absolutely nothing wrong with KDF science ships. Criticize less, think out of the box more.
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Visually for sure. Still a side step from the Marauder performance wise rather than a step up.
The Bugship is easily the most OP ship in the entire game and then some. We don't need more unbalanced stuff like that in the game.
As for a hypothetical fleet ship, I'd say this: A K'Vort class BOP. It essentially was a BOP enlarged to a Cruiser size. It was powerful and naturally more durable than the original, much smaller version. But it also did not have the same agility as the smaller version.
The B'Rel model is already in the game. Make it bigger for a K'Vort.
So no, I have no problem asking for a bug ship look alike with my favourite Klingon ship skin. That's where things stand with "balance", and unless they go nerf the fed fleet ships & the bug I'm not going to ask for "less" for the sake of bringing the balance bar back to where it was. You and I both know they are not going to nerf fleet ships or the bug, so why ask for less when the ceiling of power has been raised.
At the end of the day I just want my BOP to be on an equal level (what ever that may be at the time) with other escorts, and as it stands the BOP gives up its soul for flexibility that newer ships are getting with minimal drawback. There's no Klingon fleet escort that counters the F:AE or the F:TER, so why not ask for one ?
This game is making a shift to Zynga type activity. I know the big guy worked there for a while, but why take the idea that every new thing has to be bought with real cash is beyond me. This isn't the path an MMO with longevity should take. If the developers insist on constantly adding Zynga-nomics it is going to kill this MMO.
I am sorry I think that the idea of fleet ships is great but even to get a fleet ship you must pay cash not just go through the issues of joining a fleet or creating one then there is the economics of building up the shipyard. Why when they did this additional game play could they not have added a Lt. Gen. KDF ship that was energy credit based or even one which was Dilithium only based?
Milking players constantly is counterproductive and does not lead to better game play and fixed bugs just the next new shiny thing we must have. STOP THE MADNESS. Be happy people will buy memberships and the occasional item.
I'd rather spend my money on lockbox ships!
The only fleet ship I'm even considering is the Corsair, and I know it would rot in dry dock while I was flying my current Kar'Fi around.
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the fleet ktinga is the best cruiser in the game imo. the turn rate gives it amazing flexibility for beams and cannons, and the durability hit is extreamly minor.
of course the fleet vorcha is the dream cruiser for all the kirks out there, but for a cruiser doing its cruiser job, ktinga is best.
the boff layout is way to splintered compared to the original vorcha.
Currently i'm debating going back to my old vorcha.
get at least 3 blue damage control doffs, you can run EPtW and EPtS with basically 100% up time with only 1 copy of each. that should free up some eng stations
The amount needed for one is absurd enough.
Its just nickel and diming and bleed it dry and then stick those dev resources into the next game before this one fades away thats how they do it to it.
I'd be happy with a Guramba with a 5th tac console, and the typical +10% buff.
For the Brel, give it a 4th tac console, no buffs for hull or shield, but let it use its shield while cloaked.
and on the karfi story like only c store ships with a console get fleet versions i never have seen a answer on any way from cryptic.
its very very sad.:(
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For the paltry sum of 3000 zen I can have a fleet koro-tinga that my raptor can turn circles around, and with a BOFF layout a garbage scowl could be proud of. At least it's pretty.
Now lets get serious- PWE can have my money IF they take the fleet K'Tinga:
Fleet K'Tinga Retrofit
34450 hull
3 device slots
4 tac/ 4 eng/ 2 sci consoles
0.15 impulse modifier
11 turn rate
35 inertia
+10 weapons power/ +10 engine power
Add the BOFF layout from the Qin Raptor with a universal ensign:
LtCmdr/Cmdr TAC
Lt ENG
Lt SCI
Ens Universal
...Change the weapons layout to 5 forward/3 aft, and give it Battle Cloak. I'll even pay EXTRA for the K'oro Tinga skin.
This makes for one VERY HAPPY T5 Klingon player that will never ask anything of PWE again.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
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Both need to be fleet variants yesterday, they are two of the most popular ships in game.
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I will likely never own a lock box ship. I hate lock boxes with a soul seething contempt descending to the gates of Hell. I have spent 3000 zen on them, gotten some ok stuff, but 3000 zen could have unlocked much better stuff so it won't happen again.
Just put everything up for sale for a real competitive price and I may buy what I want. I'm not weak minded enough to get into the compete with the Jones' mentality of buying just because someone else has it.
What I would like to see is more z-store science ships of KDF variety that fit the Klingon style, more raptors, and for the love of...just increase the B'rell weapons to 4 and 4. It's a purchasable Tier 5 ship! It SHOULD have more weapons than a regular BoP.
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An invisible scout ship with more weapons than a battlecruiser.
And Klingon science ships ?
I MUST be in the wrong timeline, thats just too funny to be serious.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
You got that right..
you hear me, Cryptic/PWE? We aren't going to buy ships (pay real life money) if you are just going to make them obsolete at a future date....
... that would be stupid of us.
Scenario:
You go buy an expensive T.V. from a retailer. You get it home and hook it up and watch it. Then, the next day you come home to find your T.V. stolen. Little did you know, that the retailer you purchased the TV from had broke into your home to steal it. You file an insurance claim and they give you the money to go buy a new T.V. You then go back to the original retailer (because you didn't know they stole the first one) and you buy the next model up because they no longer sold your old T.V.
Rinse and Repeat.
This is what Cyptic did with fleet ships. Just because insurance picks up the cost of the T.V., does not mean you haven't paid for that T.V. over and over again for years on the insurance premiums. But we don't have insurance for online games.. do we?
I rest my case.
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
Considering that the standard philosophie of " Things must be a little OP if players are going to buy them" means each new wave of stuff that comes out will be slightly more OP than the last, why bother to buy the old or try to keep up with the new.
Though sadly I may buy theFleet Somraw raptor. "May" mind you. I have not been completely sold on it, even if it can be fitted with a BOff layout like many Tac Jem'hadar attack ship of CMD;Tac/LTC:Tac/Ens:Eng/LT:Eng/LT:Sci.
$20 is a lot for a single ship for just one toon.
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Let's see. The Feds have the Dreadnought. 4/4 with a cloaking device. They have T5 escorts with 4/3 and a cloaking device. So how would it be in any way unreasonable that the KDF high command would order the B'Rel T5 z store ship to be designed 4/3 with a enhanced battle cloak to help counter those ships? And it wouldn't be "op" as it still has less hull and shields.
Absolutely nothing wrong with KDF science ships. Criticize less, think out of the box more.
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