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matteo716maikai
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so, with the polaron buff on tribble and i think being pushed out today without any testing...
do they still stack?
it gives a 5second drain, but with each proc does it reset and drain more the 5 seconds or does it only reset the 5 second countdown?
did anyone test these on tribble?
what the hell cryptic, i thought we were told all pvp related stuff would be put on tribble for "proper" testing?
do they still stack?
it gives a 5second drain, but with each proc does it reset and drain more the 5 seconds or does it only reset the 5 second countdown?
did anyone test these on tribble?
what the hell cryptic, i thought we were told all pvp related stuff would be put on tribble for "proper" testing?
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Honestly it's getting to the point where more things are on the cheese side of the camp than not.
It's kind of like how level one fights in DotA are always the most exhilarating (because damage sticks and actually matters). Maybe we'll all just end up agreeing to use Mirandas with photon torps or something.
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lol this!
silly buff imo. This will just put them on everyone's **** list and then there will be a major nerf.
Their going to break their computers with stacking lolarons.. (since we started out on lolarons!)
I'll go log in to go see it.
I seriously doubt it though. This is cryptic we are talking about after all. These are the people that think DMGX4 will magically go away when they kick a weapon up to XII instead of X
really? i doubt it. the max i could get it to on my excelsior was ~570, so a significant increase, but whats the dps on that proc compared to glider damage? more then likely it still barely registers.
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This is actually one thing that the community wanted fixed. It got fixed so they dont stack.
Hopefuly not the same limiter power leech has.....
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so a single stack? 2 stacks? how many?
Hey Jman, the "buff" you guys gave to plasma is no where near enough.
20 percent Straight Up DR that the end game shields have, is no where close to compensated for by the "increased damage" which is still far under what plas torp procs can do. (and with torp doffs you can fire plas torps almost constantly if you are setup correctly)
The plasma proc, doesn't even have the ability to stop native hull regeneration of an Escort, it's that bad.
I'd suggest throwing in Particle Generators into the skill, as well as upping it's proc chance to 10 percent instead of 2.5.
The problem is, whether anyone at cryptic wants to admit it, plasma is going to be heinously underpowered as long as the Shields have 20 percent resistance to plasma, at no cost to the shields other statistics. If you're going to make plasma viable without removing the stupid resistance, you're going to have to vastly improve the proc to an unbalanced state, just for it to be even considered a viable weapon in pvp.
Since it didn't go in with the changes, it's still subject to review. And since nobody here knows our original intent, why don't we poll the PvP crew to see if we got close to your expectations?
How 'bout it? What does this crew consider a reasonable Stack Limit on Polaron Proc debuffs?
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if you raise the proc chance for plasma, raise it on tetryon too!
also an unpublished update to the disruptor proc was discovered this morning, apparently [dam] mods increase the % of the proc debuff now. forget about that one?
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The only problem with that idea, is phasers still have the best proc right now. 600 shield strip potentially on a tet shot, vs out right shield removal from phasers.
Polaron, drain vs, out right subsystem removal.
Plasma, though direly needs a much much stronger proc, due to Endgame shields.
the ideal solution of course would be to remove the 20 percent bonus SDR, which does not affect what make borg deadly in stfs in the first place anyway.
Even as it stands, proc to proc, plasma's proc is the third worst in the game even after your buff. (Disruptors are the second worst, and AP is the worst.... bonus CrtD doesn't matter when the weapon system can't actually hit the target properly in the first place!) I can and have stripped ships off with tetryon fire over a (very long)duration before with the old tet proc.
Phasers I've completely gibbed ships and vaped them by the time the 1st phaser proc was over.
Plasma can't even stop an Escorts native hull regen. The plas torps on the other hand I have roasted people inside of their full shields with a very specialized build.
well, i can get poloran to drain 44 energy with 9 too flow cap and 2 +28 consoles. 2 stacks of that would be 88, which would leave 3 out of 4 subsystems at or near 0 assuming there is a subsystem set at 100power ..... you see were this is going right
if it were me, i would have them stack consecutively, not concurrently (sequentially, not on top of each other) and not limit the amount that can stack. thats what i would try first, and if we can stack 20 seconds worth of procs on someone reliably then maybe add a cap.
i would also have insulators reduce the amount drained, AND duration drained.
those 2 procs are different. they are extra damage, phasers and polaron right now have a chance to remove subsystems for 5 seconds, under focus fire an instant death sentance.
i would give disrupters, plasma, and tetryon all 5-10% proc chance, and anti proton an extra free acc mod with their crit mod. in this form, energy types would finally have balance*, imo.
*balance if 9 into particle generators at least doubled the plasma energy weapon dot, and the set shields were without thier 20% resistance to plasma energy damage.
1) What is the range of a polaron proc's magnitude? How does it scale with skills/consoles? If there is a big gap between the lowest and the highest possible value, you cannot properly balance it unless you balance for the highest value.
2) Do you want to allow stacking in general (i.e. from the same player and from others) or only from different sources? Do you put a limit on individual stacking or on total stacking or a combination of both?
3) What kind of power drain is acceptable? How does this work when combined with other "always-on" power drain abilities like plasmonic leech (please fix the leech stacking problem while you're at it) and the gurumba's siege mode power drain?
4) Is it fun? Power drain can potentially disable a target and leave it defenseless. This is not fun. You need to avoid that situations where a player loses control over his ship and has to sit by and watch his ship explode. Make sure the power drain doesn't lead to a reliable way to disable someone's ship.
5) How is it working when 5 players use it on a single target? What is the magnitude of the drain and how long is the effect sustained? 5 players shooting a single target means (some approximate math) one proc on the target every 4-5s on average. Avoid perma-proc situations.
My suggestion: if you really go with a 5s duration without "EPS refill" for the drain, disable stacking completely.
I agree with this post, you can already stack power leech 32+ times, you cant throw polaron proc stacking on top of that.
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Just wanted you to know and this seemed the best way (at the spur of the moment) to throw past you all.
thanks.
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