If STO were "real" the junk ships in this game would be the Galaxies, Intrepids, and Defiants and all the good ships would be designs never-before seen in any Trek series.
Just because a design is 30 or 40 years old means its junk?
The real life USS Enterprise CVN-65 is going to be retired after 51 years of service.
The Russians got a submarine rescue ship named the VMF Kommuna in active service today; she was launched in 1915.
The US Navy is considering buying Arlegh Burke class destroyers until 2041 (the 1st of the class was launched in 1988).
The B-52 has its 1st flight in 1952, they are seriously considering upgrades that would keep it flying past 2040.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
Just because a design is 30 or 40 years old means its junk?
Trek's not about "real life." In TNG alone the Galaxy was replaced by the Sovereign in just 15 years - and I won't even go into how great the Prometheius was supposed to be. I'm sure there'd be plenty of other newer and better ship designs in the 3 decades after Nemesis. That's just the way production works in non-real life environments.
In a real 25th century Trek environment Galaxy would be a T1 ship, Sovereigns, T2, with T3-T5 being completely new designs that make a Galaxy seem like a Model T.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I hate it when people ask themselves what gene would think. Tbh he envisioned a lot of things differently then they ended up. And im glad some of his ideas never saw the light of day. Otherwise TNG would prob have ended up being a horrible show for me instead of the awesomeness that it turned out to be.
That aside, to put things as simple as possible
Lockboxes are an insult to what Star Trek stands for.
None of the series ever focusses on the value of money, always on the value of an open mind on cultures and ideas, and humankind its passion and love to explore new things, its curiosity.
NEVER EVER MONEY
Its insulting, and the fact the devs dont even see that, means they are not driven by a need to bring us a good ST experience. Just stuff their pockets and abuse our love for the ST franchise untill we stop bothering to fight back at this disgrace.
Edit: Ive seen these kinds of threads a lot of times before. And some of the more senior people on the forums might think what exactly is the point. But its natural for somebody to react to injustice. And to stop responding is to invite more.
You're forgetting something. Ferengis are now a part of Star Fleet and over 50 years have surely corrupted the idealistic humon notions of a "non-economy" that we have seen in the shows. This was actually shown in many instances as Nog was trying to join Starfleet. Do you think every Captain would have been so righteous as to refuse his bribe to get into The Academy as Sisco was? What about when Nog or other Ferengis become captains? Do you think they will throw away their entire culture and refuse bribes/trades/transactions and risk not getting into The Divine Treasury?
Trek's not about "real life." In TNG alone the Galaxy was replaced by the Sovereign in just 15 years - and I won't even go into how great the Prometheius was supposed to be. I'm sure there'd be plenty of other newer and better ship designs in the 3 decades after Nemesis. That's just the way production works in non-real life environments.
In a real 25th century Trek environment Galaxy would be a T1 ship, Sovereigns, T2, with T3-T5 being completely new designs that make a Galaxy seem like a Model T.
Even Trek isn't that ridiculous.
The Enterprise (NCC-1701) was 40 years old when she was destroyed and Starfleet was still building fresh ships of the Constitution class (NCC-1701-A as an example), and the Enterprise wasn't even the oldest of the Constitutions. The Excelsior-class Lakota was in service in 2372, a full 87 years after the original Excelsior's famous stall, and could still be refit to be a threat to a Defiant-class ship (regular refits being a standard practice to extend the operational lifetime of a vessel, both real and fictional).
The Excelsior-class USS Melbourne had a registry number (NCC-62043) that put its construction after the Ambassador-class USS Zhukov (NCC-26136). In fact, most of the Excelsior-class ships in TNG have numbers that put their construction after the Zhukov. The TNG Technical Manual has the spaceframe life of a Galaxy-class ship pegged at 100 years with regular refits every 20 years.
Ultimately, canon just doesn't agree with your assertion.
Lock box ships is how you sacrifice Star Trek for profits. Starfleet captains flying bugs, galors or even tholian ships ? Why not ? It's money. I'm glad for Gene Roddenberry that he cannot see what Earth Ferengis made out of his dream.
Don't know about others, but for me personally it ruins the the Star Trek immersion. I personally am disgusted.
Ultimately, canon just doesn't agree with your assertion.
All I need to do is actually watch the series to see that new ship designs were introduced with each series and movie. Again, the Enterprise E was introduced only 15 years after the D. The Intrepid came after the D and had a whole new engine design system making it one of the fastest ships in the fleet. And, of course, the Defiant was a "war ship." And we only need to watch the series to see that the Promethius and other ships were introduced after the Galaxy.
And I'm not saying they wouldn't use older ships. The Enterprise A was turned into a training ship after being refitted twice, and the B only served 6 years before supposedly returning to Spacedock to be decommissioned at the end of UDC to be replaced by the newer Excelsior types.
These things keep evolving. It's clear the Galaxy was supposed to be the "king of cruisers" in TNG, but it's also clear that the Sovereign was built and replaced the Galaxy only 15 years later. In Trek it's all about new and exciting.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It's so funny about people saying Gene would not want to exploit Star Trek in as many ways for profit as possible - your joking right?
He would have put women completely naked on ST in the 60's if he could have - he certainly kept the women in as little as possible as much as possible to sell the show - heck by comparison other shows of the time had women covered head to toe!
Sex sells and Gene pushed the censors right to the limit all the time on the show.
And Kirk hated and wanted to kill klingons all the time - not just them - I think Kirk must have at least punched someone in the face or hit them with a "karate" chop to the back of the neck in every single episode - if you re-watch it was a very violent T.V. show by the standards of the day.
It's so funny about people saying Gene would not want to exploit Star Trek in as many ways for profit as possible - your joking right?
The problem is that Trek fans are scattered now across 5 series and 2 continuities. There are whole groups of "Trekkies" who haven't seen more then a handful of episodes of Voyager or Enterprise. There are people who only really know the movies, and so on. People will remember something Gene said in 1990 but completely forget something he said in 1970. It's all just selective memory based on their own wishful thinking.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It's so funny about people saying Gene would not want to exploit Star Trek in as many ways for profit as possible - your joking right?
He would have put women completely naked on ST in the 60's if he could have - he certainly kept the women in as little as possible as much as possible to sell the show - heck by comparison other shows of the time had women covered head to toe!
Sex sells and Gene pushed the censors right to the limit all the time on the show.
And Kirk hated and wanted to kill klingons all the time - not just them - I think Kirk must have at least punched someone in the face or hit them with a "karate" chop to the back of the neck in every single episode - if you re-watch it was a very violent T.V. show by the standards of the day.
Problem is you are looking back at the Star Trek of the 1960's from the perspective of someone in the 2010's.
You are right that Gene put women in as little cloths as possible. He also did it to men! In how many episodes does Kirk lose his shirt? But you are forgetting the Star Trek aired in the middle of the sexual revolution. Putting a women (who in some cases were officers) in a mini-skirt was actually empowering to women because the male attitude was to stick them in a potato sack of a dress otherwise they might use their sexiness to tempt other men.
But the major thing is how many times does a women in the show who is a member of Star Fleet end up wearing a skimpy dress besides the regulation mini-skirt? Heck the female crew members originality wore pants. Occasionally they were forced by malevolent aliens to wear some kind of fancy late 1800's style dress, but that was against their will.
Yes there was violence on Star Trek. It was a violent time in American history, that was not unknown on TV. The Rifleman or The Untouchables were quite violent, Paladin in Have Gun killed more his fair share (he was a man who avoided violence if possible). While Kirk fights many people/aliens in hand to hand combat he kills very few, and how many times on the original Star Trek is killing someone the solution to the plot? Very few and only when there are lives at stake. Most importantly in all of TOS he never killed a Klingon, the principle adversary of the series.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
i was thinking a good way to go about this would to put the lock box ships from previous lock boxes say 2 sets back in the lobi store so the Galor would go in now that way those who get them have had them for quite a while before others can get them and then people still have to get Lobi to get at them. i wasnt thinking for cheep either.
Just an idea please dont kill me forum goers
Ketan Merious
Captain, U.S.S Transcendent
Explorers Fleet, Senior Member
The problem is that Trek fans are scattered now across 5 series and 2 continuities. There are whole groups of "Trekkies" who haven't seen more then a handful of episodes of Voyager or Enterprise. There are people who only really know the movies, and so on. People will remember something Gene said in 1990 but completely forget something he said in 1970. It's all just selective memory based on their own wishful thinking.
ya because people want up to date and accurate information. As for the lock box tholian ships, they look amazing and the mirror ships to.
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The real life USS Enterprise CVN-65 is going to be retired after 51 years of service.
The Russians got a submarine rescue ship named the VMF Kommuna in active service today; she was launched in 1915.
The US Navy is considering buying Arlegh Burke class destroyers until 2041 (the 1st of the class was launched in 1988).
The B-52 has its 1st flight in 1952, they are seriously considering upgrades that would keep it flying past 2040.
In a real 25th century Trek environment Galaxy would be a T1 ship, Sovereigns, T2, with T3-T5 being completely new designs that make a Galaxy seem like a Model T.
You're forgetting something. Ferengis are now a part of Star Fleet and over 50 years have surely corrupted the idealistic humon notions of a "non-economy" that we have seen in the shows. This was actually shown in many instances as Nog was trying to join Starfleet. Do you think every Captain would have been so righteous as to refuse his bribe to get into The Academy as Sisco was? What about when Nog or other Ferengis become captains? Do you think they will throw away their entire culture and refuse bribes/trades/transactions and risk not getting into The Divine Treasury?
@DevolvedOne
So if I win one it gets given to someone who can use it
some of the other stuff might be ok
but no tholians are getting aboard my starship
Even Trek isn't that ridiculous.
The Enterprise (NCC-1701) was 40 years old when she was destroyed and Starfleet was still building fresh ships of the Constitution class (NCC-1701-A as an example), and the Enterprise wasn't even the oldest of the Constitutions. The Excelsior-class Lakota was in service in 2372, a full 87 years after the original Excelsior's famous stall, and could still be refit to be a threat to a Defiant-class ship (regular refits being a standard practice to extend the operational lifetime of a vessel, both real and fictional).
The Excelsior-class USS Melbourne had a registry number (NCC-62043) that put its construction after the Ambassador-class USS Zhukov (NCC-26136). In fact, most of the Excelsior-class ships in TNG have numbers that put their construction after the Zhukov. The TNG Technical Manual has the spaceframe life of a Galaxy-class ship pegged at 100 years with regular refits every 20 years.
Ultimately, canon just doesn't agree with your assertion.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I cannot agree with you more.
+10 respect
And I'm not saying they wouldn't use older ships. The Enterprise A was turned into a training ship after being refitted twice, and the B only served 6 years before supposedly returning to Spacedock to be decommissioned at the end of UDC to be replaced by the newer Excelsior types.
These things keep evolving. It's clear the Galaxy was supposed to be the "king of cruisers" in TNG, but it's also clear that the Sovereign was built and replaced the Galaxy only 15 years later. In Trek it's all about new and exciting.
A Star Trek marshmellow dispenser and you're arguing about the virtues of Star Trek's IP virginity?
She's already slept with the entire NFL. Sorry bros, she's just not that intredasted in you. Maybe if you made more lockbox money
He would have put women completely naked on ST in the 60's if he could have - he certainly kept the women in as little as possible as much as possible to sell the show - heck by comparison other shows of the time had women covered head to toe!
Sex sells and Gene pushed the censors right to the limit all the time on the show.
And Kirk hated and wanted to kill klingons all the time - not just them - I think Kirk must have at least punched someone in the face or hit them with a "karate" chop to the back of the neck in every single episode - if you re-watch it was a very violent T.V. show by the standards of the day.
Problem is you are looking back at the Star Trek of the 1960's from the perspective of someone in the 2010's.
You are right that Gene put women in as little cloths as possible. He also did it to men! In how many episodes does Kirk lose his shirt? But you are forgetting the Star Trek aired in the middle of the sexual revolution. Putting a women (who in some cases were officers) in a mini-skirt was actually empowering to women because the male attitude was to stick them in a potato sack of a dress otherwise they might use their sexiness to tempt other men.
But the major thing is how many times does a women in the show who is a member of Star Fleet end up wearing a skimpy dress besides the regulation mini-skirt? Heck the female crew members originality wore pants. Occasionally they were forced by malevolent aliens to wear some kind of fancy late 1800's style dress, but that was against their will.
Yes there was violence on Star Trek. It was a violent time in American history, that was not unknown on TV. The Rifleman or The Untouchables were quite violent, Paladin in Have Gun killed more his fair share (he was a man who avoided violence if possible). While Kirk fights many people/aliens in hand to hand combat he kills very few, and how many times on the original Star Trek is killing someone the solution to the plot? Very few and only when there are lives at stake. Most importantly in all of TOS he never killed a Klingon, the principle adversary of the series.
Just an idea please dont kill me forum goers
Captain, U.S.S Transcendent
Explorers Fleet, Senior Member
ya because people want up to date and accurate information. As for the lock box tholian ships, they look amazing and the mirror ships to.
I don't hate the clothes.
I don't hate the lobi crystals.
I don't hate the consumables.
I don't hate the Doff packs.
I don't hate the weapons.....
.... I hate, I hate, I Hate, I HATE HATE HATE THEM SPAWNING AS LOOT!