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Ok so it looks like our friend borticuscryptic... has looked into and hopefully is fixing Chron resistances... and is now willing to do something to correct the phaser issue...
I would say next up is tactical team. (imo anyway)
So what is it that needs to change... imo... 10 seconds is way to long and 5 seconds would be fine outright for the skill... however I doubt people will be happy about the loss of there 10 second shield spinner....
So what I think would be a good solution if borticuscryptic can make it work...
10 Second Shield Distribue
5 Second Debuff Clearance
I think the fact that tac team completely removes tac debuffs including FOMM, and can be chained to be up 66% of the time is silly and very bad for the game. Every other team skill clears debuffs for 5 seconds... tac team is twice as good.
It also makes Boarding Party a joke of a skill for pvp. Which could be a semi good counter to high spam teams as they have as hard a time targeting as there opponents do. However having always on tac teams sort of hinders that idea.
Anyway what are peoples thoughts on Tac Team... am I alone?
I would say next up is tactical team. (imo anyway)
So what is it that needs to change... imo... 10 seconds is way to long and 5 seconds would be fine outright for the skill... however I doubt people will be happy about the loss of there 10 second shield spinner....
So what I think would be a good solution if borticuscryptic can make it work...
10 Second Shield Distribue
5 Second Debuff Clearance
I think the fact that tac team completely removes tac debuffs including FOMM, and can be chained to be up 66% of the time is silly and very bad for the game. Every other team skill clears debuffs for 5 seconds... tac team is twice as good.
It also makes Boarding Party a joke of a skill for pvp. Which could be a semi good counter to high spam teams as they have as hard a time targeting as there opponents do. However having always on tac teams sort of hinders that idea.
Anyway what are peoples thoughts on Tac Team... am I alone?
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i thought that the chrono resists werent working right even though they "fixed" them?
If they decide to nerf tac team, then they had better come up with another way for escorts to stay alive in PvP, because Tac Team is all that keeps me from blowing up 80-90% of the time, in both STFs and in PvP. Only other option I can think of is Reverse Shield Polarity, which has far too long of a cooldown to make it viable. With the sheer amount of DPS being thrown around, and the way most escorts, BoPs, and raptors are meant to be used (high DPS, minimal healing). . .there have to be options.
I agree with this, just "clears tac debuffs" rather then 5 secs or so, makes it more situational.. tactical. As for the shield dis, thats way too useful and its not like I have it running 100% what is it with two tac teams? 20 secs out of 30? Or something I cant remember.
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I'm a bit unsure about tac team... In one way, the shield distribute is the best thing to ever hit STO, in another way, it's the worst. It gave a boost to survivablilty, much needed for BoPs, and is helpful to survive long enough to get your heals going. This is especially important because of STO button lag.
Clearing debuffs for 5 sec only, or maybe just upon activation, would be a good start to bring TT back in line.
That being said. Minimum change to tac team right now is probably the best. Shorten the cleanse of TT.
does it seem like distribute all works better then distribute top, bottom, etc? seems like distribute all causes all the facing to shuffle around, wile distribute top doesn't seem to shuffle the other facing, just redirect all the shield regeneration forward, or something. bug?
Completely stupid and backwards from how it should be.
IDK, I guess I wouldn't object to changing the shield distribution. I'd be easier to pop but so would everybody else.
Maybe buff Eng Team and Sci Team instead?
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I'd rather see more competitive Ensign skills, to be honest.
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For the record I am fine with 10 seconds of distribute... there are ways around it and it isn't always a help if you have 2 escorts on opposite ends of you.
My main issue is the 10 second cleanse... which makes Beta and Delta pretty much useless... I mean no one runs beta 2 or 3 anymore they simply don't stick to anyone.
Boarding Party... I know we all laugh at it... but if tac team only cleared for 5 seconds... it would make it a useful skill in pvp... the shuttles got a speed upgrade and with all the spam that people pump out it is funny landing them on people dropping tons of pets.
Anyway, not as major an issue as the chrons and phasers... still it would be nice to have options for a Commander tac slot that doesn't include... Rapid Fire 3 and Rapid Fire 3.
and make tac team just a damage buff that actually means something per rank.
Ensign Tac Team I should be 5 second distribution, Tac Team II should be 7.5 second distribution and Tac Team III can be 10 seconds of distribution. If they didnt want to make tac team a completely seperate skill this change would make it so at the very least Tac Captains would have to sacrifice SOMETHING like Engineers and Science Captains have to in order to slot the very best Team Skill available to them. The problem is not the distribution but its effectiveness at ensign level. There is no reason to run any higher level tac team. Thats just my two cents.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
Pretty good point... it is a very powerful ensign ability... of course so is EPTS. I like horizons idea... new skill for shield distro... perhaps with a higher cool down so it can't be chained to be almost perfect... and then revert tac team to what it used to be... heck even let it give you crew back like it used to.
Responsive Shield Distribution (RSD)... 45 Second cool down
Level 1 - 10 seconds of distribution
Level 2 - 15 Seconds
Level 3 - 20 Seconds
I think that would be balanced... yes it would be an increase in time of the distribution... it however would no longer negate things like beta / delta and fomm... so in general people would take more dmg. Only level 3 could be chained for 100% up time with a 45 second cool down, but really who would give up 2 lt. commander slots to do that ?
It would become a tactical usage skill that would be a powerful life saver... but NOT the easy spam 100% up time debuff killer tac team is now at ensign.
Then tac team can go back to pretty much the way it was ... 5 second debfuff remover, crew replacer... and 5 second dmg buff (which could increase along with number of crew returned for levels 1-3)
You can blow a hole in a engineer captain with an alpha strike, but he will likely pop a ET2 or 3 (because they are significantly better than 1) along with EPtS2 or 3. Now his hull, which is already larger to begin with, is back up and his shields are back right away and regening faster.
You can blow a hole in a sci captain with an alpha strike, but she will likely pop a SC2 or 3 (also significantly better) along with HE2 or 3. Again, her larger shields pop back immediately and her hull regenerates quickly.
Tac Captains due to limited bridge stations cannot get any of the decent eng or sci skills which would allow them to heal up after taking a beating like the other two ships. They could to a lesser degree using the level 1 versions, but as we know they are very weak. That is where they need to have Tac Team and they really need the higher version to be better than it is. As it stands i see no reason to have the debuff removal removed from the ability or decrease the duration. It is really all they have to survive.
If a sci captain or and engi captain takes Tac Team as one of their tac abilities they are significatly reducing their ability to output damage because that usually only leaves them with one other ability. Sure they can take it, and yes it will make them harder to kill due to the debuff, but if they use the tac team, they are not gonna pop Eng or Sci team for at least 15 seconds, and that is an eternity in combat. That also is taking their teeth which means they are not gonna kill the scort quickly at all and the Tac Team the escort has is more than enough to keep them alive.
IMHO TT should stay exactly how it is right now. If there was a buff that should be changed its subnuc beam. It has too long a cooldown and already has a very limited arc.
I'm all for just straight up removing boff super speed shield distribution and making it full on manual, leave balance as a slow distribute, but make the targeted manual distributes (front, rear, and the sides) be nearly on par if not better than current TT distribute speeds.
Bring more player interaction to shield distribution not just "lulz I can keep up EPTS and TT, so I can cruise around being super hard to kill".
TT should instead of a distribution buff get a more offensive slant to it. Keep its clearing as is, but instead of distributing give it a buff to targeting, manuvering, and threat control. So it would clear boarding parties/tac debuffs, and improve your accuracy, defense, and threat control which would scale with rank.
Or if you do want distributing to be a boff power, give it to engineers, they need more realistic low end choices between, EPTS, EPTS, or EPTS. Further for ship durability it would put sci's and escorts at having to choose between EPTS or automatic distribution in many cases making them abit squishier in most cases.
TT1- 10 second distribute, +32 weapons training for 10 seconds, 5 second debuff heal, 20% crew heal
TT2- 11 second distribute, +40 weapons training for 11 seconds, 6 second debuff heal, 30% crew heal
TT3- 12 second distribute, +48 weapons training for 12 seconds, 7 second debuff heal, 40% crew heal
but i would also make the distribute all function a bit better, so TT wouldn't necessarily be required just for that. it would be more about the damage buff and the crew heal. i guess its a buff defensively, but its also a true offense buff to whoever uses it too.
I liked having to kill someone fast or die... I liked having to know when it was time to run... IMO escorts have become 500x easier to play... which I don't think is a good thing. There is no tactics involved in simply having 2 copies of everything.
Also escorts don't need to tank like champs if cruisers and sci ships where not using tac team to be immune from the escort debuffs.... beta and delta. Frankly with out tac team around Getting beta 3 on someone was a killer... I remember bleed killing people with beta 3 on them... now ya no kidden the escort needs to tank his debuffs are useless. I could be wrong but I think 5 second tac team debuffs and the game would be alot more fun.
Yet to be seen if chronitons are/will be fixed, a few tribble patchnotes back they said the fixed them and that they are also coutnerable with internal dampeners, but i think they only put the fix in the release notes :P
For the Tactical Team issue, I dont really see the issue. At least I do not experience them that much. Even a tactical team can be ***** through with enough DPS or some nice crits hehe. Besides we have the subnuke doffs now!
Unfortunately as one of his own pet projects, not an 'official' one... Now that he's left... All we can do is hope Borticus picks it up some day.
Anyway, my favourite suggestion: 10 second redistro speed buff (perhaps scaling with team level) (*not* auto redistro), and a 5 second debuff clear, along with an energy/projectile weapons skill buff for 10 seconds, scaling with team level.
this, and drastically increase its damage buff.
it could be, that simple....
its not hard to balance your shields.
you all know that distribute does not equal balance right?
hrm.
some of us actually like the dps boost...........
yes yes yes yes. i use tt to clear debuffs and better dps. not because of an omg alpha(tho that helps) but i do hate that tt alone is the reason not to even run beta over delta. give tt the dps boost and 5 sec clear to tact debuffs. thats all thats needed. if u want tt to blance sheilds then make a version 2 for that.
maybe also if u take off shild distro escourts might not seems so stupidly tankey as they are now. we all mostly came from the days of the tt just to use a slot. well wtf did we all do back then? did we come so dependent on this skill that we all forgot how to stay alieve? go old school or GTFO
on a side note maybe it will force logimo even in 1v1 to see why epts are so important when his lolz tt dose not disto his shields for him and he has to learn to keep shild power up with resit and blance thoes with space bar.
Balancing is so slow it's barely more than a tool for distributing shield facings when you're not in combat...
so do i, im advocating for it to be increased
those of you saying you don't need TT to distribute shields and that the standard distribute is enough, have been living inside premades with overlaping ES active on you for too long. if the lol bug decides to alpha strike you, and you don't have TT, there is really not much you can do by yourself to prevent immediate death, save for an RSP with 3 out of 4 facing healthy.
TT's current functionality is required in a pvp environment with 5 tac console escorts, and 20 different ways of turning your defenses off, or stopping you from turning at all. the standard distribution comes no were close to being enough to outpace an alpha strikes damage, or focus fire. its only good enough for off peek damage and cruiser damage over time.