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Fleet Ships Too Expensive
robdmc
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In order to get a fleet ship once the Starbase tier is achieved you need to have 4 Fleet ship modules.
Each Fleet ship module costs 500 Zen
That means you have to spend $20 for a ship with no console/skin and is not an account wide unlock.
Each Fleet ship module costs 500 Zen
That means you have to spend $20 for a ship with no console/skin and is not an account wide unlock.
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I know I'm not forced to buy it. that is not why I started this thread. I want people to point it out to others. I also never indicated whether or not I am going to purchase it. The problem is the perceived value.
On a side note there is also an inconsistency with the price. the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit, Fleet Advance Research vessel Retrofit and Fleet Heavy escort carrier seem to have a different requirement making them about $5. I'm hoping that is the right price point.
<# of Modules> <Ship>
4 Fleet Patrol Escort
4 Fleet deep space science vessel
4 Fleet Heavy Cruiser retrofit
4 Fleet Research science vessel retrofit
4 fleet star cruiser
4 Fleet reconnaissance science vessel
4 Fleet escort retrofit
1 Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit
1 Fleet Advance Research vessel Retrofit
4 Fleet science vessel retrofit
4 Fleet Exploration cruiser retrofit
4 Fleet Aquarius Destroyer
1 Fleet Heavy escort carrier
4 Fleet Long range science vessel Retrofit
That explains a couple of things I did not know.
IF that is the case then it is kinda disappointing that most of the fleets ships are based off the free ships. I know I would love the fleet version of the reconnaissance science vessel but that ship was never on the c-store to be discounted.
I think I understand the confusion over the Gladius.
The Gladius is the Escort refit. The Fleet Escort retrofit is based on the Escort retrofit which is purchased through fleet credit only. Since the escort retrofit is not a Z-Store ship it does not qualify and the Refit version is not the retrofit so no discount again. (I think that is wrong)
The other problem With that is the va token ships. If you got the long range science vessel retrofit you would still have to buy the z-store version to get the discount for the Fleet version. (I feel sorry for long time players with a couple dozen alts)
I personally think the discount should be based on whether you have the ship in your ship yard or not.
1. NO KDF Fleet Ship can get under 4 moduls because none of them was a t5 (20 euro) ship
2. we paid 16 euro for the c store KDF Ships they come to the Fleet Ship System and we should pay 20 again to get the Fleet Version? and the only excuse is that they are no t5 c store ship? Are they Serious?
3. 20 euro for a none accountwide, none console ship is a big nogo but hey! They see that it works with much higher prices. Lockboxships are nonaccountwide too and mostly way over 30 euros (have a 280 euro jem hadar) so we see the new way of STO.
Letz hope thats upcoming ships are not Fleetships ... i dont pay for non accountwide ships anymore after my Jem hadar disaster.
"Work your butt off in your fleet, then pay $20 to get the fleet ships!" No thanks.
We're not being forced to pay for the ships, there are "free" options but they're significantly worse than the Fleet variations. The biggest problem with the new ships is that they're $20 for a ship that isn't worth $20. They have a minor upgrade in hull/shields and get an extra console slot, but outside of that they're just rehashed ships that we've been using for several years.
The only *new* ships for the Fed side is the Aquarius, an unplayable destroyer with lower base hull, and shields than either T4 Escort, minus a rear weapon! It has no advantage at all to what current ships have(in fact its actually worse) and it still costs $20? I don't understand. The KDF side is hit even harder imho. Of the two BoPs they were given to play the Norgh has 16.5k base hull(its a T3 ship, yay) And the Hoh'sus has next-to-nothing for an increase in hull over the Hegh'ta(about 500?), and looks horrible(at least thats my opinion, I would never personally play a ship that looked like that).
In addition to those problems, I *own* the Tactical Escort Retrofit, yet I still don't get it at a discounted price from the Shipyard.
I realize this needed more testing, and the dev team HAS to make Perfect World happy, but if you're doing it at the cost of the happiness of your paying players....you have a serious problem.
Season 6 is live guys! Lets work our butts off to get our Starbases to the level where we can *pay Cryptic to use the same tired old TRIBBLE*.
Sorry for the ranting and nerd rage. But it needs to be said.
So, to clear up. When you buy a Fleet ship, you don't even get a new special costume for it. It's the exact same thing, only with T5ish level stats?
Cause I've kinda heard it being said both ways. Fancy new look alongside the stats, and the same old look, but better stats.
Sigh. and the release notes were PARTLY bringing me out of the "Meh STO" level I've been at. This kinda stuff alongside the STF information they've been talking about for a good while, and now going "It'll be way later." does not make me enthused.
Hell, a friend said Cryptic better be releasing big and great stuff, especially with GW2 just around the corner.
Edit: At the very least, I will say it is a nice thought that they are adding in some lower tier looks to Tier 5, it'll definitely make starship events more diverse (I hope at least) instead of everybody being in the exact same escort or cruiser.
They want to sell a t5 ship for 25 euro (20 ground version 5 upgrade)
So they can make a 16 euro ship upgradeable for 10 euro (16 + 10 = 26) for ships u already have. Its still a high price but way smoother to take ...
Cryptic/pwe get some little money for the ships and can justivy no developent.
Sry for the frustrated post...
I think we are all frustrated. I was under the impression that the Fleet system was suppose to get people tier 6 ships without conflicting with the c-store. I listened to all the pod casts and I was never under the impression that you were building star bases for an opportunity to spend all that money.
When I look at the Odyssey That is still a much better deal then the fleet exploration cruiser retrofit. At this point I don't think it is going to be worth it. I might as well wait for the tier 6 ships to hit the c-store.
When I see this it make me wonder if only the very rare gear is free and all this Ultra Violet stuff will cost money.
Their lack of communication and intent undermines trust.
some might be cheaper by 500 zen, but they are 2500 retrofits, which means they have a cooler console than the 2000 versions.
and now you would say, at least it is not more expensive. yes it godamn is. you have to grind grind grind for your fleet ship. ofc not fleet creds, because you get a lot of it, but to get your starbase to military t5
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Federation NX Class Starship Replica (NX-01 Enterprise) - 400 (No fleet version)
Federation Escort Refit - Gladius Class - 600 (4 Modules for Fleet Still)
Federation Caitian Atrox Carrier - 2000 (No fleet version)
Klingon Bortasqu' Pack (Bortasqu' Command Cruiser, Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser, Bortasqu' War Cruiser) - 4000 (No fleet version)
Klingon Defense Force Marauder Patrol Cruiser - 1600 (No fleet version)
Klingon Defense Force Dacoit Flight-deck Cruiser - 800 (No fleet version)
Klingon Defense Force B'rel Bird-of-Prey Retrofit (B'rel) - 1600 (No fleet version)
Federation Long Range Science Vessel Refit - Bellerophon Class - 1200 (4 Modules for Fleet Still)
Klingon Defense Force Corsair Flight-deck Cruiser - 1200 (4 Modules for Fleet Still)
Armitage Heavy Escort Carrier - 2000 (1 Fleet Module fore Fleet Variant)
all bought with real money at full price and only the Armitage gives a discount on the modules and many of them don't have fleet versions. At this rate I see no reason to buy any of the pay ships or even spend anymore money on this game. At another $20 per ship per character either don't waste your money on the Zen store ships or just don't buy the fleet modules. Save your money for something else. I bought the corsair because I heard that having it would give you a reduced cost on the fleet version according the dev on one of the recent interviews. Now I am wishing that I never did buy it as it is still 4 modules. PW will not see anymore of my money for along time after this.
Lock Box Ships get Buffed for free and no fleet versions, Many Pay ships don't get a fleet version and no buff, Pay ships with a fleet version still require 4 modules per ship. It looks like the only ships worth owning are the lockbox ones if you are lucky enough to get one for a decent price on the exchange or after only opening a couple lock boxes.
I wanted to pvp and pve, so i needed a tier 5 ship that was competitive. That used to mean, BUY the retrofits from the c-store and equip them with dilithium gear. All real money mind you since i don't have 22.5 hrs a day to play.
Now my tier 5 c-store ships are no longer going to be competitive in pvp because the fleet variants are where it's at. That means grinding fleet currency (another friggin currency..
All this, while I'm still paying a subscription...
Seriously.. wtf are you guys trying to do to me? I feel cheated on my c-store ships now and i have no desire to try to keep up with the new TRIBBLE you want me to buy.
I hate to say it, I really really do. But you guys are actually hurting my feelings here. I know it seems silly, but I've gone to bat for you guys on many occasions. I've defended you on the forums over those damned lock boxes and c-store console ships, but this is actually going to be it for me. I'm officially going to back off for awhile and see how this pans out.
I will certainly miss the pvp and the fancy new ships, but I can't keep throwing away my money. I may even reduce my sub to the silver membership as there really isn't any point in paying if all I'm going to do is the occasional story mission or role play since i won't grind for gear I have to buy anyhow on a PER CHARACTER basis.
Heck, I don't even know why I bothered to write all of this since it's not likely to be read by anyone that could do anything to fix it. Maybe if it was in chinese, but alas.. i've spent all my time grinding dilithium and stf gear for my c-store ships that aren't even competitive anymore, so i never had time to learn chinese..
I'm going to shut up and go sit quietly for awhile while i consider the last two years of my life.
Thank you for the good times we've had. I wish we could get back to those days soon, but you're not leaving me much hope. Perhaps there is a way i could grind for six months and then pay you for a token to get some hope?
Nothing less of that is gonna make me buy a fleet ship. It's not about the money, it's about ethics. There's just so many underhanded deals that I can turn a blind eye to. This was the last straw. Guild Wars 2 here I come.
If you want things in this game now or in the future, you're going to have to buy them from the cash shop. Period. So stop throwing money at them every month for no actual return, and save it for the things you want, or find something else to spend it on.
Your right, and I agree 100%! This game is very fun, but Cryptic and Perfect World are way too greedy. Isn't the very foundation of the United Federation of Planets generosity amd empathy?! I guess none of that matters out here does it? I look back, and this was all my fault, but still, we have spent over $150.00 on this game! It's obviously not free-to-play if you have to pay to actually have fun. I maybe am being a jerk, but Cryptic doesn't need this money just to maintain the servers. Ex. Say 100 people by one of the 3 Odysseys. $25.00 each (As of late Season Five, at least). That's $250 right there, and there are thousands of people that make purchases like that everyday. 3000x25 is $70,000, get the picture people?
Hahahaha
This isn't the Federation.
It's the Ferengi Alliance. Pre-Rom
1st Rule of acquisition-"Once you have their money, you never give it back. "
21st "Never place friendship above profit".
The fandom they exploit via Rule 98 "Every man has his price. "
The fandom should learn to use the 190th Rule of Acquisition, "Hear all, trust nothing."
As for these modules......here's an unnumbered rule "Time, like latinum, is a highly limited commodity."
Still they could every once in a while follow the 57th Rule, "Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them."
I can only hope many many others feel the same way, so they can see their numbers drop off and maybe do some good work.
I have no desire to grind new missions for SLIGHTLY better ships. *meh* Keep your starbase.. which apparently you cannot even enter.
Dreadnot Crusier = no upgrade to
Mulit Verctor Escort = no upgrade
excreta....
I think if you have bought a z-store ship it should not only be discounted but also be upgrade able no matter what, because now its obsolete . It should also be an Account wide unlock given that you have purchased the Z-Store variant.
that's my two cents id like cryptic to know how i feal victum to this money hungry game as well, its is unfair to the most loyal players they have .
in recent weeks people like myself have paid cash for ships because they were led to believe those ships were top tier ships. now we find out those ships are no longer top tier and that you guys never intended them to be, point in case the HEAVY ESCORT CARRIER which only came out in the last few weeks. now theres the fleet version which u expect people to pay zen for ok u say its at a discount but considering the length of time between the the 2 releases ie HEC and fleet HEC people who bought the HEC before season 6 should get the fleet version for free, same for any cash store ship people have bought before the season 6 update. to do anything else is a kick in the teeth for your oldest and subscribed players as well as the new.
come on perfect world sort your heads out and remember we are people not just wallets/ purses for you to dip into. treat your gamers with a little respect and fairness and they will reward you with loyalty and their spare cash willingly.