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TOO COMPLICATED
I think the title says it all!
I have been a member since launch.
I do not often voice my opinion, being a player who trusts that Cryptic/Perfect World is taking this game in the proper direction.
However, I must voice my opinion now. Season 6 has become overly complicated.
I think major changes need to be made that include:
1) Separate the idea of fleet ships and Fleet Star bases.
2) Have a universal Star base (Earth Space Dock) that can be accessible by all (Fleets and Non Fleet players) in order to upgrade ships as the current model intends.
This way competitive game content (Ships) is made available to all...... equally.
3) Fleet Star bases should remain the same as intended to upgrade and develop, minus fleet ships . Provide content and other perks to Fleets in this regard.
This way everyone who wishes to fleet or not, can get a competitive in game ship.
I am unsure the current model as intended is going to be successful and would like to encourage Cryptic to reassess. EVEN IF THIS MEANS POSTPONING SEASON 6
I would rather play content that is enjoyable for all providing resonable options than forcing all players in a singular direction not all want to take nor should be forced to take.
I love this game but lately this has been way too complicated for my enjoyment. I would like to encourage taking a step back to evaluate the direction we are going.
I think the title says it all!
I have been a member since launch.
I do not often voice my opinion, being a player who trusts that Cryptic/Perfect World is taking this game in the proper direction.
However, I must voice my opinion now. Season 6 has become overly complicated.
I think major changes need to be made that include:
1) Separate the idea of fleet ships and Fleet Star bases.
2) Have a universal Star base (Earth Space Dock) that can be accessible by all (Fleets and Non Fleet players) in order to upgrade ships as the current model intends.
This way competitive game content (Ships) is made available to all...... equally.
3) Fleet Star bases should remain the same as intended to upgrade and develop, minus fleet ships . Provide content and other perks to Fleets in this regard.
This way everyone who wishes to fleet or not, can get a competitive in game ship.
I am unsure the current model as intended is going to be successful and would like to encourage Cryptic to reassess. EVEN IF THIS MEANS POSTPONING SEASON 6
I would rather play content that is enjoyable for all providing resonable options than forcing all players in a singular direction not all want to take nor should be forced to take.
I love this game but lately this has been way too complicated for my enjoyment. I would like to encourage taking a step back to evaluate the direction we are going.
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If you want a casual fleet that you don't have to talk to us or anything, reddit.com/r/sto has 350 members, many who never talk or post.
Not only does it truely add meaning to fleets, but it also encourages more co-ordination internally.
I say "let it be as it is".
ESD pretty much became useless when I discovered that other hubs had the bank and the exchange right beside each other.
Did that ever happen?
If it did, that makes it possible for EVERYONE to have their starbase and have access to fleet store and fleet ships.
If they didn't, then I feel the OP's pain, as I don't want to be forced into a guild just to have a competitive ship, or access to T5 ships that are not available anywhere else. (such as the T5 Nova)
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This is an MMO, and, at the moment, more than 90% of the game content does not require you to interact with another human. What is the point of an MMO that is effectively single-player?
More multiplayer content is a good thing, imo. And it doesn't bother me that rewards for that content are locked off to solo players. I suspect it may be a while before I see the top quality fleetbase ships unless my fleet recruitment methods are ultra successful, but it doesn't bother me. Is my Armitage suddenly not going to be able to hack end-game content once the Fleetbase ships come in? Doubt it.
The only people I can see being really put out by it are solo PvPers, who actually would be at a disadvantage by not having the ships.
That's still there, but most people get around it by hiring someone for a few EC and then allowing them to leave once the fleet is formed. That said, if you could form a fleet with 2 people, it wouldn't change the fact that those 2 people would be working for a long time to get their projects up and running.
1 - It's where new characters start off. They always know where it is.
2 - Everybody gets a transwarp to ESD.
3 - It's all the starbase that a newbie's got until they either travel elsewhere or join a fleet.
4 - It's a good place for fleets to look for people who need help and seek recruits.
5 - It's a door zone for the Foundry.
6 - It has all of the services available (mail, bank, exchange, shipyard, tailor/ship mod, engineering, medical, vendors, etc.), not just a subset of them.
I'm not saying it's the best social zone in the game... just that it's not useless and won't be even when Fleet Starbases are in. Players don't start out as members of a fleet and some people may never join one.
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Even when you've got five people lined up, if you can't get them all online at the same time you're still out of luck.
I finally got our fleet up and running by bribing four other players to join for a Blue quality Boff of their choice. Starting a fleet that way (bribery) isn't pretty, but it's fast and effective.
Still, if they lowered the requirement to three players instead of five it would make it a lot easier.
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ESD is already a universal starbase. Which is why everyone starts out with a transwarp option there. It has all the amenities you could possibly need, save the PVP arena and the STF store.
There is a reason to have fleet specific rewards, to reward players who have joined fleets. that is the WHOLE BLOODY POINT of this season. Time and Time again the Devs had said that Season six is all about Fleets. Fleet Advancement, Fleet Play, and Fleet Ships. Here is the thing, they know that there are lots of one player fleets out there. They do not mind. IF you want to make your lone wolf fleet, there is nothing stopping you. So there is no barrier between you and these high end ships.
I would love to ask you and every other lone wolves what is so damning about joining a fleet? You make it seem like we are force enlisting you into one and stealing the ECs from your credit chit. No one, not the devs, not the fleets, not other players are forcing you to sign up.
Even if it is for the perks of having a high end ship, that does NOT mean you cannot stay competitive. Just like there is no requirement to have a Cstore ship in order to be competitive in endgame, there will be no requirement to have a Fleet Ship in order to be competitive. Ships are just a template. How you load it out and how you play have a greater impact on your competitiveness then which ship you have.
Part of the reason Fleet Ships are so "OP" is because it will take MONTHS of FLEETWIDE grinding in order to make these. No 3 minute swipe of a credit card will allow you to get it. It will take a long time to get these ships. Therefore, the reward should scale up based on the amount of grind you have to go through. Manager classes at the local fast food restaurant is a weekend. Becoming a Doctor is an additional 10 or so years on top of the standard 112 for high school. More grind means more payout.
And again. you still have the exploit of paying 4 noobs to sign your fleet charter and then adding your alts. Grind away. No one in life will, or even attempt to, bend over backwards for you. This includes the Devs.
But I like the concept of the Starbases and I like what you get for a lot of hard work for building it up. If you want a handout go play WoW.
A game where you're not burdened with people trying to turn your relaxation time into version of Second Life that isn't soul crushingly dull?
Anyway, Season 7 will be the test for me. If its designed that you can't do the content without the fleet ship, I will give my gear away for 1ec each when I quit.
When I first started playing STO, I was really taken off guard by how single-player the game really was. Even the PvEs could be done without the cooperation of those on your team. Teamwork didn't really come into play until you started doing STFs.
I can understand how people feel like they are being forced into a fleet. But I think for the majority, Season 6 will be the time when STO finally becomes a MMO not just in name only.
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YES DO THIS!!!
Everyone should be able to build a starbase! I wouldn't care about being a member of a fleet at all, if I could build my own starbase. I think it would make the new ships more accessible to everyone, and just be more fun for all of the players.
It would become like a second ship - it would have stuff you would upgrade, you could trick out its weapons and shields for starbase defense missions (which should be added, btw), you would have to man it with duty officers and do special assignments. The fun to be had. I can't wait!
Seriously, Cryptic. DO THIS.
I think STO is a very unique beast. Yes, it attracts MMO players who are in to interaction with other people but it also attracts Star Trek fans who don't play it because of other people, but rather because it's the most detailed Star Trek game around.
I fall in the the latter category. Sure, I enjoy the teamwork in the STFs, but 99% of the reason why I play is because I'm a trekkie. I love flying ships that I watched for years on TV. In primary school my friends and I used to pretend we were flying starships hunting klinks!!
I'm pretty sure PWE realises this and won't ever limit the game to cater for just one of the groups I described above. If it does, the game will really suffer.
we may not be in primary school, but why can't we be friends and pretend we're hunting klinks?
Being a grown up doesn't mean you can't make new friends.
Most people I've met were Okay, true some are real arsehole, but most us are trekkies, and hanging out with like-minded people is always fun.
Don't get me wrong, i enjoy the free-for-all chats on ESD and DS9 (which I fear starbases will kill), but I don't look to do team missions. Apart from STFs.
Seriously, don't play an MMO or other online game if you don't plan to be sociable.
I don't understand people who get annoyed at how other people play the game. Why does everyone who play MMO's have to be social bugs?
Personally while I don't want to be in a fleet, though I enjoy doing PVP once in a while, and use the exchange on an almost daily basis. Even if I didn't do these things, and avoided all interaction with other people entirely, I would still be paying into the game. Anyone who helps to fund the game helps to improve your gameplay experience, whether or not they choose to talk to you.
IMO Guild Halls are useless unless you are heavy into PVP or need a center to meet up with your Guild buddies. Does this sum up what a Fleet Base does?
Thank you, thank you very much.
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Agreed, people who get annoyed about others who don't WANT to play in their special little group for their special little people should play THEIR game the way they want and let others play their game the way THEY want. It's not rocket science to make it enjoyable for everyone, we are all paying customers.
Every ship directly reporting to Earth no matter how far afield they are is akin to every US Navy ship directly reporting to The Pentagon. Bureaucracy just does not work that way--you can't have every Captain reporting directly to the top, or else Admiral Quinn would have twenty times more appointments than would fit on his calendar.
Having my very own company (which includes all of my fed alts) is a blessing. :P
Now I have my very own starbase on which to house my companies operations and Starfleet is helping me to build it!
Hey, thats a useful, insightful post that really adds to the conversation.
Oh, wait. No it isn't. You just posted to tell everyone how smart you think you are.
Congrats on padding that post count, forum-warrior. :rolleyes:
You can make easy money from me Cryptic! Why am I standing in front of the Fleet Ambassador begging people for help? This is stupid. :mad:
yep. and the sad thing is, that i would welcome joining a fleet if 99% didn't have the most idiotic names. Warpigs and maddogs and such.. really? is it star fleet or a NY street gang?
Where the hell is Cruiser Division 12 or destroyer squadron 31? hell I haven't even seen 1st thru 12th fleet!
It still takes five. But, you can just find four people to help (a lot of people offer EC for this) then kick the other 4 people out. Now you have your own single player Fleet.
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