This ship needs to be ingame. We need more softcannon ships
There are so many things non canon in STO, and there are so many plotholes that even a Super Star Destroyer could come through a temporal vortex at any time.
There are so many things non canon in STO, and there are so many plotholes that even a Super Star Destroyer could come through a temporal vortex at any time.
A carrier wouldn't hurt anyone!
I would expect Cryptic is atleast smart enough to... oh... right... that could be a problem...
There are so many things non canon in STO, and there are so many plotholes that even a Super Star Destroyer could come through a temporal vortex at any time.
Indeed I do believe atleast one of them is not... kekvin is right, more soft-canon (or non-canon, if you prefer to call them that) will not hurt you, me, or anyone else playing the game. It wont even hurt the IP... because the IP will be evolving, and not stagnating by being kept with in the limits and confines of canon. You are very close minded when it comes to non-canon stuff, it would seem... I'm surprised you dont hate the Odyssey, or venture, or Bellerophon or any of the other non-canon ships.
Indeed I do believe atleast one of them is not... kekvin is right, more soft-canon (or non-canon, if you prefer to call them that) will not hurt you, me, or anyone else playing the game. It wont even hurt the IP... because the IP will be evolving, and not stagnating by being kept with in the limits and confines of canon. You are very close minded when it comes to non-canon stuff, it would seem... I'm surprised you dont hate the Odyssey, or venture, or Bellerophon or any of the other non-canon ships.
i think she does hate them, but has an even more crazy sounding argument about it so doesnt bring it up, but on topic i cant wait for our carrier
Indeed I do believe atleast one of them is not... kekvin is right, more soft-canon (or non-canon, if you prefer to call them that) will not hurt you, me, or anyone else playing the game. It wont even hurt the IP... because the IP will be evolving, and not stagnating by being kept with in the limits and confines of canon. You are very close minded when it comes to non-canon stuff, it would seem... I'm surprised you dont hate the Odyssey, or venture, or Bellerophon or any of the other non-canon ships.
I hate things taken from the soft canon, things ripped from alternate story-lines and wedged into STO because some niche portion of the player-base wants them. It's why I oppose Mackenzie Calhoun being in the game, it's why I oppose the Vesta, and it's why I oppose the Akira as a no-way-around-it true Carrier.
Those things invented by and for STO, things which show a natural, logical progression from the hard canon, I'm fine with. Things invented and wedged in with no logical reasoning behind them (all Carriers) I positively loath.
I'm fine with the Odyssey (natural progression from the Sovereign), but not with the Gladius (extraneous flanges and angles unnatural to Starfleet design), I'm fine with the Destiny (natural replacement for the aging Oberth), but not with the Luna or the Vesta (soft-canon TRIBBLE that should never be in STO) or the D'Kyr (not a Starfleet vessel, shouldn't be flown by members of Starfleet). I'm fine with the Vor'Kang (natural progression from the Vor'Cha) but not with the BortaS (huge fugly design unlike anything the Klingons ever made in Trek). I'm fine with the Raptors (original works that all look Klingon) but not with any of the Nausicaan, Gorn, or Orion ships (not Klingon designs, shouldn't be flown by the KDF).
I hate things taken from the soft canon, things ripped from alternate story-lines and wedged into STO because some niche portion of the player-base wants them. It's why I oppose Mackenzie Calhoun being in the game, it's why I oppose the Vesta, and it's why I oppose the Akira as a no-way-around-it true Carrier.
Says someone who plays a completely non-canon game? Talk about double standards. :rolleyes:
It's a bit difficult to say - at certain points of Star Trek, unconventional designs were definitely wedged into the storyline.
The Defiant for instance was created in response to the then-dire Borg threat. It looks like no other Starfleet vessel in service - previous 'destroyer' or 'frigate' class ships were just miniature flying saucers with nacelles or even downsized Galaxy classes.
The Defiant used a monohull + sponson design with integrated quad pulse phasers and was truly radical.
This 'design revolution' in turn could very well influence contemporary STO-era ship design and produce those purpose-built Fleet Escorts which resemble A-10 aircraft - function over form.
By modern standards design revolutions too take place in aircraft and ship design. Witness the development of the Littoral Combat Ships, a totally new form of high speed, partial stealth multirole naval vessel; witness the dominance of the stealth fighters and bombers designed in the 1980s, which themselves evolved to today's F/A-22 and JSF which do back-incorporate noticeable "jet fighter" features (just as Defiant started off as a monohull and Fleet Escort became a compact saucer and nacelle design again.)
Early stealths (F-117A) definitely were out of this world in their heyday, but in time the lessons learnt and new capabilities developed were incorporated into next-generation fighter design proper.
So in conclusion I would say, bring on the revolutionary ship designs, you never know what some think tank and what strategic situation caused 25th Century engineers to think of novel ways to project power to defend the Federation from present and future threats.
Ok, so I'm borrowing a bit from this thread, which was originally based of of this thread, but I wanted to draw up some stats on the hypothetical (and probably never going to happen) Typhon-class Carrier.
The Typhon-class was stated to be a carrier/mobile outpost starship, designed by Starfleet shortly after the end of the Dominion War. As such, Ive designed a RA level ship, based off of an Escort, with Engineering sub-specialization. The ship was not much larger than a Sovereign-class Engineering hull, so I've given it some stats leaning toward the cruiser side as well. Ive also included the Valkyrie fighters, but you could just as easily replace the word Valkyrie with the word Peregrine, and it would likely be the same effect. I envision the Valkyrie's to be much the same as Klingon To'Duj fighters in ability and power.
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Ive also drawn up some stats on the Typhon's special console ability, Fortress Mode. In Fortress Mode, the Typhon reroutes all power from its weapons and fighter launch control systems to the structural integrity field and shield systems. The improves the starships survivability for 15 seconds, granting it a bonus to shield regeneration (that scales based on the current shield power level, up to a max of +3) and its damage resistance. This is similar to the Intrepid Retrofit's Ablative Generators, but is not toggleable and shuts down all weapons and hangars for the same period. The appearance of fortress mode is similar to Polarize Hull, where the ship glows yellow and gold, but with the added effect of a shimmering shield bubbled surrounding it showing that it also has increased regenerative abilities.
Ability: Fortress Mode
Used by: Rear Admiral - Lower Half
Target: Self
Attack Type: N/A
Ability Type: Buff
Activation: 1 second
Range: N/A
Shares cool down with: None
Starts cool down on: Self only
Modified by:
- Skills:
- Starship Shield Emitters
- Stats:
- Shields
Trained by: Not trainable
Cooldown: 180 seconds
Effects:
- +500 All Damage Resistance for 15 seconds
- +2 shield regeneration per second for 15 seconds
- All Weapons Offline
- Hangar Launch Control Offline
I understand that this is likely not to happen, ever, due to licensing issues and such, but I wanted to do it anyway, and post if for people to see....
men, i love the idea of the typhon class carrier in the game!... i love too much that ship and the valkiry fighter, the typhon class is one of the two ships i dream to use in sto (the other is the achilles class) but, like you said, i don't think to see them on the game
The Typhoon doesn't really have a carrier ?sthetic though - it's more of a heavy cruiser / battleship.
Now the Jupiter looks like a carrier...
they arent talking about the Typhoon class thats in game. they are talking about the typhon Class... its a crappy Battlestar Rippoff with Warp Nacelles put on it... The fighters are just a mix of the peregrine from DS9 and Viper from BSG.
and since its fan made and a BSG ripoff... it'll never see the drawing board in this game, let alone release.
they arent talking about the Typhoon class thats in game. they are talking about the typhon Class... its a crappy Battlestar Rippoff with Warp Nacelles put on it... The fighters are just a mix of the peregrine from DS9 and Viper from BSG.
and since its fan made and a BSG ripoff... it'll never see the drawing board in this game, let alone release.
How can you suggest this ship have a commander tactical station and only 1 science station when the description clearly says it's a science heavy ship?
How can you suggest this ship have a commander tactical station and only 1 science station when the description clearly says it's a science heavy ship?
My description says nothing of it being science heavy (while Memory Beta only says it has science/medical facilities (but then so do most Starfleet ships)
Its a mobile outpost and carrier. If anything its heavy Tactical with Engineering sub spec, and that was what I designed when I wrote these specs up.
For the record folks. Here's your mighty Typhon-class "Carrier-Cruiser" in actual size, as Amaya posted in the other thread that this thread was derived from.
See that tiny block that only matches the 2ndary hull of the Soveriegn class? Yeah. that's your mighty carrier-cruiser right there.
No larger than the Defiant.... In fact, only half as wide as the Defiant as well.
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For the record folks. Here's your mighty Typhon-class "Carrier-Cruiser" in actual size, as Amaya posted in the other thread that this thread was derived from.
See that tiny block that only matches the 2ndary hull of the Soveriegn class? Yeah. that's your mighty carrier-cruiser right there.
No larger than the Defiant.... In fact, only half as wide as the Defiant as well.
Its not that small... id say its atleast as wide as a Defiant at its widest point, and its fairly tall. And in that image it extend a bit forward of the Sovereign-s main deflector. So its not the largest of carriers, (infact its probably on par, sizewise with the Armitage, maybe a touch shorter, but taller.)
Oh look, a couple of space ships that follow the organized notion that space ships should have wings that allows people to familiarize themselves to it just the same as an aircraft, a control room at the front of the ship, engines at the back and ends of the wings, and a big cannon in the front.
Yeah... That's been done to death throughout all of science-fiction.
They are similar in generic constructions, but they still stand out enough that neither one can claim copyright infringement on the other.
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yes i would
KDF has ALOT of originality, battle cloaks, easy GTFO ability, true warships.
KDF is not played because of its presentation.
There are so many things non canon in STO, and there are so many plotholes that even a Super Star Destroyer could come through a temporal vortex at any time.
A carrier wouldn't hurt anyone!
I would expect Cryptic is atleast smart enough to... oh... right... that could be a problem...
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ify4qs&s=5 i just took a screenshot of that part of the PM
I sincerely hope you're both joking.
Indeed I do believe atleast one of them is not... kekvin is right, more soft-canon (or non-canon, if you prefer to call them that) will not hurt you, me, or anyone else playing the game. It wont even hurt the IP... because the IP will be evolving, and not stagnating by being kept with in the limits and confines of canon. You are very close minded when it comes to non-canon stuff, it would seem... I'm surprised you dont hate the Odyssey, or venture, or Bellerophon or any of the other non-canon ships.
i think she does hate them, but has an even more crazy sounding argument about it so doesnt bring it up, but on topic i cant wait for our carrier
I hate things taken from the soft canon, things ripped from alternate story-lines and wedged into STO because some niche portion of the player-base wants them. It's why I oppose Mackenzie Calhoun being in the game, it's why I oppose the Vesta, and it's why I oppose the Akira as a no-way-around-it true Carrier.
Those things invented by and for STO, things which show a natural, logical progression from the hard canon, I'm fine with. Things invented and wedged in with no logical reasoning behind them (all Carriers) I positively loath.
I'm fine with the Odyssey (natural progression from the Sovereign), but not with the Gladius (extraneous flanges and angles unnatural to Starfleet design), I'm fine with the Destiny (natural replacement for the aging Oberth), but not with the Luna or the Vesta (soft-canon TRIBBLE that should never be in STO) or the D'Kyr (not a Starfleet vessel, shouldn't be flown by members of Starfleet). I'm fine with the Vor'Kang (natural progression from the Vor'Cha) but not with the BortaS (huge fugly design unlike anything the Klingons ever made in Trek). I'm fine with the Raptors (original works that all look Klingon) but not with any of the Nausicaan, Gorn, or Orion ships (not Klingon designs, shouldn't be flown by the KDF).
Says someone who plays a completely non-canon game? Talk about double standards. :rolleyes:
The Defiant for instance was created in response to the then-dire Borg threat. It looks like no other Starfleet vessel in service - previous 'destroyer' or 'frigate' class ships were just miniature flying saucers with nacelles or even downsized Galaxy classes.
The Defiant used a monohull + sponson design with integrated quad pulse phasers and was truly radical.
This 'design revolution' in turn could very well influence contemporary STO-era ship design and produce those purpose-built Fleet Escorts which resemble A-10 aircraft - function over form.
By modern standards design revolutions too take place in aircraft and ship design. Witness the development of the Littoral Combat Ships, a totally new form of high speed, partial stealth multirole naval vessel; witness the dominance of the stealth fighters and bombers designed in the 1980s, which themselves evolved to today's F/A-22 and JSF which do back-incorporate noticeable "jet fighter" features (just as Defiant started off as a monohull and Fleet Escort became a compact saucer and nacelle design again.)
Early stealths (F-117A) definitely were out of this world in their heyday, but in time the lessons learnt and new capabilities developed were incorporated into next-generation fighter design proper.
So in conclusion I would say, bring on the revolutionary ship designs, you never know what some think tank and what strategic situation caused 25th Century engineers to think of novel ways to project power to defend the Federation from present and future threats.
men, i love the idea of the typhon class carrier in the game!... i love too much that ship and the valkiry fighter, the typhon class is one of the two ships i dream to use in sto (the other is the achilles class) but, like you said, i don't think to see them on the game
Now the Jupiter looks like a carrier...
they arent talking about the Typhoon class thats in game. they are talking about the typhon Class... its a crappy Battlestar Rippoff with Warp Nacelles put on it... The fighters are just a mix of the peregrine from DS9 and Viper from BSG.
and since its fan made and a BSG ripoff... it'll never see the drawing board in this game, let alone release.
Not fan made. Was in the game Star Trek Invasion.
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So why would that be?
My description says nothing of it being science heavy (while Memory Beta only says it has science/medical facilities (but then so do most Starfleet ships)
Its a mobile outpost and carrier. If anything its heavy Tactical with Engineering sub spec, and that was what I designed when I wrote these specs up.
http://www.mobygames.com/game/playstation/star-trek-invasion/screenshots/gameShotId,410172/
See that tiny block that only matches the 2ndary hull of the Soveriegn class? Yeah. that's your mighty carrier-cruiser right there.
No larger than the Defiant.... In fact, only half as wide as the Defiant as well.
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which makes it even MORE off limits since cryptic cannot use designs made for other games.
Then explain the Klingon Bortasqu'
It looks almost exactly like the ship in Starcraft 2!
example:
http://paperkraft.blogspot.com/2010/12/starcraft-2-battlecruiser-papercraft.html
VS
Bortasqu':
http://www.stowiki.org/File:Bortas-profile.png
Its not that small... id say its atleast as wide as a Defiant at its widest point, and its fairly tall. And in that image it extend a bit forward of the Sovereign-s main deflector. So its not the largest of carriers, (infact its probably on par, sizewise with the Armitage, maybe a touch shorter, but taller.)
Heres another shot with the Enterprise and Typhon in it: http://gaming.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/invasion/wallpapers/wallpaper_star_trek_invasion_04_1024.jpg
Oh look, a couple of space ships that follow the organized notion that space ships should have wings that allows people to familiarize themselves to it just the same as an aircraft, a control room at the front of the ship, engines at the back and ends of the wings, and a big cannon in the front.
Yeah... That's been done to death throughout all of science-fiction.
They are similar in generic constructions, but they still stand out enough that neither one can claim copyright infringement on the other.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
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