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Why no tier 5 excalibur in the fleet store?

k4pt41nk4ng4r00k4pt41nk4ng4r00 Member Posts: 32 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Federation Discussion
Theyre adding tier 5 fleet versions of all the other tier 2 ships so why did they leave out the excalibur?
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Because Mr.Citter over at CBS doesn't want to make money and they don't want the Constitution Refit skin flying all over the place at End Game Levels.
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  • th3gr4ndnagu5th3gr4ndnagu5 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    While it is in fact true that CBS has not allowed a T5 connie, it is also a fact that the Excalibur is not a connie. The Connie is a very old ship in STO's time period, while the Excalibur is a brand new ship. Therefore the reason CBS will not allow a T5 connie does not apply to the Excal.
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  • k4pt41nk4ng4r00k4pt41nk4ng4r00 Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    See this is what I dont understand. Sure I'd like a have a tier 5 constitution, but if CBS wont allow it then tough stuff. But that has nothing to do with the excalibur so it should be in the fleet store too.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Did you consider that they aren't done yet?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • th3gr4ndnagu5th3gr4ndnagu5 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    Did you consider that they aren't done yet?

    If that is the case then all they have to do is say so and thats that.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    th3gr4ndnagu5 wrote: »
    If that is the case then all they have to do is say so and thats that.

    Yea... Speaking with the community and sharing future things, is not really Cryptic's thing anymore.
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  • th3gr4ndnagu5th3gr4ndnagu5 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    Yea... Speaking with the community and sharing future things, is not really Cryptic's thing anymore.

    Actually, in the recent interview with Priority One, Al(aka Geko) shared a ton of info. It would be nice to have some clarification on this issue though.
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's Al's personal hatred of the ship that's keeping it from top tier. not CBS.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There really should be no problem with the Excalibur and Vesper. The Excalibur is visually farther away from the Constitution than the Ambassador and shares design elements with the Sovereign and the Vesper is clearly derived from the Excelsior which is already T5.

    So yeah, an answer why the refits of the T2 cruiser are missing would be appreciated. If not on the forums in one of the next podcasts.
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  • th3gr4ndnagu5th3gr4ndnagu5 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Maybe Brandon can add this to his list of feedback.
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  • zadamazadama Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    th3gr4ndnagu5 wrote: »
    While it is in fact true that CBS has not allowed a T5 connie, it is also a fact that the Excalibur is not a connie. The Connie is a very old ship in STO's time period, while the Excalibur is a brand new ship. Therefore the reason CBS will not allow a T5 connie does not apply to the Excal.

    I think it may have more to do with the Constitution silhouette than the ship itself. You can identify the Excalibur and Vesper as looking like the Constitution-class - indeed, they're meant to be 25th Century variants of it, which I think is the real problem.

    CBS are very protective over the Constitution, and while they won't say why, I have to wonder if it is related to Abrams in some weird, round about way.
  • th3gr4ndnagu5th3gr4ndnagu5 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zadama wrote: »
    I think it may have more to do with the Constitution silhouette than the ship itself. You can identify the Excalibur and Vesper as looking like the Constitution-class - indeed, they're meant to be 25th Century variants of it, which I think is the real problem.

    CBS are very protective over the Constitution, and while they won't say why, I have to wonder if it is related to Abrams in some weird, round about way.

    I dont think JJ has anything to do with it. We have the TOS and TMP Connies in the game already, they are just relegated to low level ships. Which, according to the timeline of the game, makes sense. However the Excal is a modern ship in the game time period so there is no reason it should not have a T5 version like the other T2 ships that are getting T5 versions. The Nova, which is also getting a T5 version, is also a dated ship by STO's timeline.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zadama wrote: »
    I think it may have more to do with the Constitution silhouette than the ship itself. You can identify the Excalibur and Vesper as looking like the Constitution-class - indeed, they're meant to be 25th Century variants of it, which I think is the real problem.

    Sorry, that point could "maybe" be made about the Exeter (which would still annoy me a lot) but the Excalibur and especially the Vesper are different enough. And Cryptic always claimed that CBS had banned the Constitution from higher tiers, they never said "any ship that remotely looks like one".
    zadama wrote: »
    CBS are very protective over the Constitution, and while they won't say why, I have to wonder if it is related to Abrams in some weird, round about way.

    That would be more than strange. That thing they called an Enterprise was farther away from a Constitution than the Galaxy-class.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hm... I have a feeling that cpt. Geko's statement "we have enough cruisers" may be a reason for this decision. On T5, Cruisers make the majority of playable ships.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,884 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Don't you all think we have enough cruisers already? All the ships that have been listed plus the three Odysseys...thats a fair amount of ships, only so much you can do without making something somewhere OP.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Who cares about how many cruisers there are? I wouldn't touch most of those bathtubs with a standard issue ten foot pole. I want the ship I love most and had the most fun in.

    And overpowered? I think there was a time when a science vessel with a tactical lieutenant-commander was considered overpowered, now look at the Fleet Nova. There are still tons of possible combinations and no one said that it would have to be a traditional cruiser. I still think that Commander Science, Lieutenant-Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Tactical and Ensign Tactical could be an interesting configuration that would strangely fit their ancestry.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,884 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    assimilatedktar wrote: »
    Who cares about how many cruisers there are? I wouldn't touch most of those bathtubs with a standard issue ten foot pole. I want the ship I love most and had the most fun in.

    And overpowered? I think there was a time when a science vessel with a tactical lieutenant-commander was considered overpowered, now look at the Fleet Nova. There are still tons of possible combinations and no one said that it would have to be a traditional cruiser. I still think that Commander Science, Lieutenant-Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Tactical and Ensign Tactical could be an interesting configuration that would strangely fit their ancestry.

    Considering every single ship sticks to the general guidelines...sure yes there might be some different boff layouts...but that Nova still has a science commander...every single fleet cruiser still has a engineer commander.

    There are a whole lot of cruisers to choose from, and if you don't like any of them well I'm sorry...they can't go pleasing everyone.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Considering every single ship sticks to the general guidelines...sure yes there might be some different boff layouts...but that Nova still has a science commander...every single fleet cruiser still has a engineer commander.

    This whole split into cruiser/science/escort was arbitrary to begin with. It has nothing to do with the ships (most sources classify the Intrepid, Prometheus, Nebula and Akira as cruisers) or their crew (the Enterprise had a science commander, the Enterprise-D a tactical commander and the Voyager a tactical lieutenant commander).
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    There are a whole lot of cruisers to choose from, and if you don't like any of them well I'm sorry...they can't go pleasing everyone.

    Hell no, it would be bad if more people would enjoy the game. They made refits for all T2, T3 and T4 ships except the T2 cruiser, that would be too much. Not mentioning that the "whole lot of cruisers" you are talking about is mostly 2000 C-Points in the store.:rolleyes:
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  • rokesmithrokesmith Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I wonder if it simply is a case of overreaction? Obviously the Connie isn't coming T5, and obviously the Excalibur isn't a Connie - to us. What if someone at CBS who is involved in this decision doesn't understand the crucial differences between the Connie and the Excalibur and thinks they are basically the same ship?
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    rokesmith wrote: »
    I wonder if it simply is a case of overreaction? Obviously the Connie isn't coming T5, and obviously the Excalibur isn't a Connie - to us. What if someone at CBS who is involved in this decision doesn't understand the crucial differences between the Connie and the Excalibur and thinks they are basically the same ship?

    In that case Cryptic could first of all explain that to the CBS people. A few pictures should make it clear that the Excalibur shares more with the Ambassador and Sovereign than with the Constitution. If that wouldn't help because whoever is responsible is blinder than a mole they could tell us that they tried and it didn't work. Instead they either dodge the question or give the old "No Constitution!"-answer even when it was specifically not a Constitution that was asked for.
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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Imho the same thing should be true for the Miranda/Centaur/ShirKar. Those vessel were present at almost every battle we have seen and were able to fare quite well. The Centaur was able to take on a Jem?Hadar fighters and B?Rels (current high-tier ships) in the series and movies without any problems.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,884 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    assimilatedktar wrote: »
    This whole split into cruiser/science/escort was arbitrary to begin with. It has nothing to do with the ships (most sources classify the Intrepid, Prometheus, Nebula and Akira as cruisers) or their crew (the Enterprise had a science commander, the Enterprise-D a tactical commander and the Voyager a tactical lieutenant commander).



    Hell no, it would be bad if more people would enjoy the game. They made refits for all T2, T3 and T4 ships except the T2 cruiser, that would be too much. Not mentioning that the "whole lot of cruisers" you are talking about is mostly 2000 C-Points in the store.:rolleyes:

    The uniform colors of the shows didn't exactly mean the same as they do in STO, in tng/ds9/voy Red was for command which pretty much every captain and first officer were of. Gold was for security, engineering, and ops and blue was for science and medical. True about the tos enterprise, Spock was science officer and first officer...but that was inefficient...same with the NX Enterprise...the first officer was also the Engineer...so if Spock or Tucker were killed not only did you lose your first officer you lost you Science officer or Engineer.

    I honestly don't really recall any of those ships really being referred to as cruisers...I could be wrong but I haven't seen anywhere that calls those ships cruisers, especially the Intrepid since its less than half the size of a Galaxy class.

    Yes alot tier 5 cruisers are c-store...but there are just as many non c-store cruisers as there are non c-store science and one more than non c-store escorts. But when you hit the c-store there are oodles more cruisers than the other two combined, in fact its 9 cruisers to 11 combined escorts and science vessels.
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  • starshipserenitystarshipserenity Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    fraghul2000 wrote: »
    Imho the same thing should be true for the Miranda/Centaur/ShirKar. Those vessel were present at almost every battle we have seen and were able to fare quite well. The Centaur was able to take on a Jem?Hadar fighters and B?Rels (current high-tier ships) in the series and movies without any problems.


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    The Excalibur, Vesper, and Exeter are not the Constitution. Nor are Miranda, Centaur, and Shikar. If we can have an Vice Admiral B'rel, Excelsior and K'a'tinga, then we should be able to get a VA Miranda and Vesper by similar process.

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  • captainkirk300captainkirk300 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Why would you want it?
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  • capthaydencapthayden Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Yeah, frankly, one of the reasons I was so psyched about season six was the promise of upgraded ships. When I found out that this didn't include the Connies (tiers 1 or 2), Excals, nor the Mirandas, I was seriously bummed.

    Nagus is doing a great job of representing my opinions on the matter. (NAGUS 2012!) :D

    But, in all seriousness, I would love to know if there is a possibility of getting a T5 Excal or even an Exeter from a Dev's response.

    Keep the thread alive, gang.

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  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    assimilatedktar wrote: »
    Sorry, that point could "maybe" be made about the Exeter (which would still annoy me a lot) but the Excalibur and especially the Vesper are different enough. And Cryptic always claimed that CBS had banned the Constitution from higher tiers, they never said "any ship that remotely looks like one".

    You know, I've often wondered why we just can't design a bigger ship, that resembled the Excalibur or Vesper.
    It might look sorta constitution-esque, if you saw it from afar on a viewscreen that needed maintenance when sensors were inoperative.

    It COULD be an easy enough work around that would make a lot of people happy and solve this issue once and for all.

    I can only conclude that someone, somewhere, just doesn't care that this is something a lot of people would enjoy. (And before anyone says it, I'm NOT necessarily pointing any fingers at Cryptic either BTW.)

    Oh well, I'm off to fly my more appropriate Cardassian Galor, Ferengi D'kora, or Tholian web whatever ....:rolleyes:
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