Allow Cross-Faction fleets!

skytex · July 2012

With the current game feel, I think it would be good to allow cross-faction fleets. We already have KDF and FED working side by side in STF, hanging out together in the federation station DS9. However, those of us with KDF alts and great FED fleets are left out. I prefer playing my KDF yet when fleet bases come out, I'll be forced to play FED to participate with the ppl i enjoy flying with.

hrci2907 · July 2012

we are at war not in an alliance! :eek:

majesticmsfc · July 2012

To be honest it's not a bad idea, doesn't mean missions and such can be done together but it might bring the two factions and adversity that cryptic has created down a little, might encourage more players to play the KDF too.

admlshake · July 2012

Maybe if we ever get some more factions in the game. Have the Klingons and Feds team up against the Romulans and Iconianas.

nikkipaden · July 2012

^^ This ^^

skytex · July 2012

I won't say more factions wouldn't be nice, but it's not required for this. You don't even have to make the current missions coop as most ppl solo them anyways. Just the fleet missions. Not hard. No new code. Use the existing frameworks set to run STF. I just can't see this as being such an extream amount of work. Look at the profit potential of having players more closely working with the other side. Your faithful fed who has all the C-store ships for fed side might get to work more closely with a KDF player and this decide to make his own kdf and buy more ships and slots. Pure profit for no new content and minimal programming investment. If 200 people buy one new ship it would afford the effort.

admlshake · July 2012

skytex wrote: »

I won't say more factions wouldn't be nice, but it's not required for this. You don't even have to make the current missions coop as most ppl solo them anyways. Just the fleet missions. Not hard. No new code. Use the existing frameworks set to run STF. I just can't see this as being such an extream amount of work. Look at the profit potential of having players more closely working with the other side. Your faithful fed who has all the C-store ships for fed side might get to work more closely with a KDF player and this decide to make his own kdf and buy more ships and slots. Pure profit for no new content and minimal programming investment. If 200 people buy one new ship it would afford the effort.

I didn't say it would be required, I was just tossing out an idea. I would want something that pushed the story further along though other than the Feds and Kling all of the sudden deciding to be BFF's again. And the threat of an Iconian/Romulan alliance or even the Iconians using the Roms as a pawn to gain power in the quadrant would be a fantastic story thread for the devs to use.

darramouss1 · July 2012

I can see the benefits of cross faction fleets, but won't it take away from the story? I kinda feel that STFs already take away from the war story.

kyeto13 · July 2012

My Fleet has something like this in effect already. WE have a Fed fleet and a Klingon Fleet founded by the same three people. The hierarchy for both is separate from the Founders down, so being a Fed Officer does not mean you are automatically a Klingon officer as well.

We also have a private Fleet chat that both sides use exclusively. We never use our build in Fleet Chat except to orientate New Recruits into the system. Both sides sign into the Cross Fleet Chat, and both sides talk as normal. We have two loose communities of people banding together for a commom cause. Calls for Support goes to both sides, so both Klingon and Starfleet can team up for STFs or even missions.

The system isn't completely ironed out yet. Right now our Feds outnumber the Klingon about 7:1, So Recruiting is being bolstered for the Klingon half.

As for the story, We have established that both or our fleets are third party renegades attempting to forge peace and stability in the quadrant.

nynik · July 2012

I'm firmly against the idea of a cross-faction fleet unless it only applies to a third 'undeclared' faction, a smuggler's consortium type arrangement.

drkfrontiers · July 2012

I'll end my sub if I have to play with Feds.

nalo · July 2012

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I'll end my sub if I have to play with Feds.

lol never had an STF with a Fed then I guess?

Its not a bad idea but I don;t see it gaining any priorty till a couple seasons if ever down the road

skytex · July 2012

Well, you don't have to do anything, stay in a pure kdf fleet and go rp your haterade all day long if it's what makes you happy.

As for interfering with the story, I just have to say this. It's an MMO with an evolving story. Sure, years ago, when STO came out the fed and kdf were killing each other left and right. all curtsey of the undine. As the storyline progresses, the borg become a bigger threat, the borg assimilating undine, follow the story line. Thus now we are at a point where KDF/SF are in league again battling a larger foe. We've been doing this now for over a year. Gamma Orionis has our 2 fleets with 2 flagships working in tandem and not killing eachother. But this situation has progressed thruout the game. Now with season 6 we're introducing tholians. Thus a larger threat than the borg appear. Why the hell wouldn't KDF/SF set aside their differences to focus on a threat that will wipe them all out? You really wanna rp the story? the pvp things are more rouge captains fighting it out than official SFC/KHC sanctioned actions. I'm saying that the already in place story line cannon rp whathaveyou is already pointing at another klingon/starfleet alliance. We were at war with them before, then made peace and friendship, then at war again. why not peace again? duh.

sovereignman · July 2012

skytex wrote: »

Well, you don't have to do anything, stay in a pure kdf fleet and go rp your haterade all day long if it's what makes you happy.

As for interfering with the story, I just have to say this. It's an MMO with an evolving story. Sure, years ago, when STO came out the fed and kdf were killing each other left and right. all curtsey of the undine. As the storyline progresses, the borg become a bigger threat, the borg assimilating undine, follow the story line. Thus now we are at a point where KDF/SF are in league again battling a larger foe. We've been doing this now for over a year. Gamma Orionis has our 2 fleets with 2 flagships working in tandem and not killing eachother. But this situation has progressed thruout the game. Now with season 6 we're introducing tholians. Thus a larger threat than the borg appear. Why the hell wouldn't KDF/SF set aside their differences to focus on a threat that will wipe them all out? You really wanna rp the story? the pvp things are more rouge captains fighting it out than official SFC/KHC sanctioned actions. I'm saying that the already in place story line cannon rp whathaveyou is already pointing at another klingon/starfleet alliance. We were at war with them before, then made peace and friendship, then at war again. why not peace again? duh.

This.

The only cornhole is that even though the story has progressed, the mechanics are still Fed vs KDF.

blitzy4 · July 2012

I've been trying to push for quite awhile.

admrenlarreck · July 2012

Its a long shot but what about getting a couple of featured episodes, to deal with how the Feds and the Klingons start working together. Say the Borg attack the Empire and Starfleet joins forces to help fight them off. It could pick up on the story line started in the Second Wave Episode, where the factions came together to discuss a peace treaty.

gpgtx · July 2012

not sure how it would interfere with the story after the 2800 FE we are technically in a cease fire agreement to help deal with the borg threat anyway

the whole war element seems like a moot point right now especially seeing as i can warp right into klingon space a just float right over qo'nos with out being shot

jkstocbr · July 2012

I don't think cross faction fleets would work now that Starbases are coming.

I think a better method would be Fleet Alliances. A lot of fleets run both a Fed and Klink one.

An alliance could form a link, allowing a Klink to visit a Fed fleet and participate in activeness (or vice versa).
It could also work with 2x Fed Fleets, or 2x Klink Fleets.

aveldra · July 2012

Gameplay > Lore/Canon/Story, I see more benefits for gameplay and in the long run that's far more important. It would help people play KDF more when they know they won't be joining a dead faction.

oridjerraa · July 2012

jkstocbr wrote: »

I don't think cross faction fleets would work now that Starbases are coming.

I think a better method would be Fleet Alliances. A lot of fleets run both a Fed and Klink one.

An alliance could form a link, allowing a Klink to visit a Fed fleet and participate in activeness (or vice versa).
It could also work with 2x Fed Fleets, or 2x Klink Fleets.

I agree with this, and was thinking that the coding for Starbases is mutually exclusive in terms of faction specific things like fleet ships.

I believe fleet alliances might actually boost Klingon player population. More Fed players might play their Klingon alts more often if they know they are not isolated from the friends they play with on Fed side.

captw · July 2012

hrci2907 wrote: »

we are at war not in an alliance! :eek:

to be honest... what war, more like a cold war from the looks of it. Neither side advancing or even really loosing any major territory from this "war".

karmapoint · July 2012

If you are talking about to sell in the C-Store orions and Gorns to FED by a high price and in exchange the Crypt make more cool stuff to KDF, ok go on!

But no. KDF and FED are in war. True Way, Remans, Icon-something, Throllians and any other kind of enemy is not enought to make KDF and FED work well.

Borgs is a plague, but is too strong to make the Honor Guard and Omega Force in each faction work in a team. But aside the Borg problem, FED and KDF have to be enemies, because each one have your own cultural and political ideas, and don't work well under the same roof.

gpgtx · July 2012

the fed and klingon empire where allies for years in the cannon. it was only the fact sto wanted two factions that appose each other for PvP that we are even at "war"

admlshake · July 2012

gpgtx wrote: »

the fed and klingon empire where allies for years in the cannon. it was only the fact sto wanted two factions that appose each other for PvP that we are even at "war"

They were enemies for far longer though. From well before Kirks time to after the destruction of the Enterprise C.

bitemepwe · July 2012

The KDF and feds are at war, albeit a slow unfleshed out war, due to Undine subversion and the KDFs recent reacquisistion of old systems once held by the RSE. Its an old story of divide and conquer and one we are in at the moment.

alaskantrucker · July 2012

my 2 cents... we r also at war with the Borg. we have borg captns, and borg officers. y not the same with klinks? there will always b "traitors" to the factions. I think it may "spruce" it up a bit

jus my thoughts

sharyssa · July 2012

My 2 cents...

I don't see why a KDF/FED player cant join whatever player fleet they want to. Player Fleets tend to act almost independently of Political boundaries anyway and could make for some interesting play and the Gorn according to canon were a member of the Federation (pregame)....i/m/h/o.

darkenzedd · July 2012

Id like this to happen, but the very minimum should be cross faction teaming. And no, I am not talking about private and pve queues, I mean a simple right click and add to team like you can do with other fed players or if you are kdf, other kdf players...

skytex · July 2012

I'd love to hear a dev response on this. I still feel it's a good idea. Or let individual klingons join the federation?

notapwefan · July 2012

Never.
While playing with Federation against Borgs in STF is nice but let's not forget that enemy of your enemy is still your enemy.

wilv · July 2012

My fleet has both KDF and Fed versions. As far as we are concerned the war makes no sense. We have friends on BOTH sides and most of us would love to see it end and have cross faction fleets made available.

Allow Cross-Faction fleets!

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