I was looking around on an old character and came across my old K'Tanco Battle Cruiser. It ocured to me, that ship would make a perfect Armitage. The large underslung section could be converted into the 'fighter pen, and it looks pretty good, and overgunned for its old level. What do you all think?
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K'tanco has no place being the equal of the Armitage. It's tier 2.
We need a T5 K'tinga.
Why the hell do we need a T5 K'tinga? You do realize you can run STF's in the K'tinga we have already, don't you? I do it all the time, and I only use Mk X equipment on it.
I swear, some KDF players are as bad as the Feds when it comes to calling for T5 this, T5 that... If you like the K'tinga, fricking grow a pair already, and go fly it. Don't turn into a crybaby Fed.
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I would also like the see the return of the K'tanco. It's just such a good looking model that it is wasteing away, unused, down there at Tier 2.
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I would love to be able to have the ktanko viable at General level again. I do love that little ship.
You know, your comment got me thinking that given everyone wants lower-tiered ships viable at end-game, perhaps instead of C-store ships, Cryptic revises the ship system that it levels up with you.
The KDF already has superior variety in carriers, they have no need for an Armitage analog.
However, should the Federation get yet another carrier vessel (God forbid, two is enough), I will happily throw the above statement out the window. If carriers can't be unique to the KDF, they can at least retain a wider selection of them.
Enough with all the carriers. They don't belong into Trek in the first place. Bad enough that we have several in game. Let them fade into obscurity instead of making each new ship one.
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The K'tanco is a light cruiser (its a D6), but I've been saying for the last couple weeks it should be refitted as a T5+ destroyer, like a true Klingon version of the Garamba.
And you don't think combining those with cannons on a Cruiser is going to be... problematic?
Now more problematic than the existing Battle cruisers, since it is based off the Vorcha.
Sacrificed Hull for Turn
Significantly lower Crew than other T5 BCs/Cru
Boffs: Sacrificed Resiliency for Tac capability
note: i fixed an error, it's supposed to be a BG ship
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Now more problematic than the existing Battle cruisers, since it is based off the Vorcha.
Sacrificed Hull for Turn
Significantly lower Crew than other T5 BCs/Cru
Boffs: Sacrificed Resiliency for Tac capability
note: i fixed an error, it's supposed to be a BG ship
The Vor'cha can't mount CRFII. The best it can do is a single copy of CRFI. And this K'Tanco suggestion has an even better turn rate, making it even more capable of using those cannons.
Beyond which, hull at Cruiser levels is basically a non-issue unless you're dealing with rather large amounts (and in this case we're not) since everyone shield tanks. And the disadvantage is further lessened by the massive turn rate boost which will make it even easier to alter shield facings. And Crew, of course, is next to meaningless in combat. So both of the disadvantage are decidedly not disadvantageous.
Because Klink players have been asking for a T5 K'tinga ever since Feds got the Excelsior, and rightly so.
Seriously? Expect people to believe you don't get rejected and put on ignore by the other players for flying a T3 ship in a T5 STF? **** off and troll elsewhere you pathetic twit.
Try it before you *****. Instead of name-calling, try backing up your argument. As far as what you appear to know, your response says it all. If your idea of playing the game is hopping in the best ship with the best equipment and turning on the auto-pwn, then the K'tinga won't work for you. If you actually pilot the ship, and know what you're doing, it serves just fine.
Keep on whining buddy, I am sure it will take you far. You can park your T5 K'tinga right next to your T5 Connie.
I know that a reduced crew count reduces Hull repair rate in and out of combat.
I know it also reduces the effects of a number of Boff abilities, like Tactical team.
It also reduces the effectiveness of Subsytem repairs and Efficacy skills.
the t'kanco should have been tier 3, not that ancient ktinga. move the t'kanco to tier 3, increase its size by 20% and then make a tier 5 retrofit with the excelsior's station setup, 33k hitpoints, .95 shield mod, 11 turn rate and ability to equip duel cannons.
I know that a reduced crew count reduces Hull repair rate in and out of combat.
I know it also reduces the effects of a number of Boff abilities, like Tactical team.
It also reduces the effectiveness of Subsytem repairs and Efficacy skills.
Thing is, it doesn't have a large enough impact on a large enough cross section of BOff abilities to actually matter. With your entire Crew dead you aren't likely to notice an impact when using TacTeam (I never have).
And while Crew does effect Hull repair rates in and out of combat, that is entirely meaningless since Hull repair is all about Active Heals. In combat your repair rate is a fraction of your out of combat rate, enough so that it can't even offset bleedthrough damage while mounting Resilient Shields. And even out of combat Hull repair rates are low enough to be irrelevant in the face of quickly recharging Hull heals (especially on a Cruiser/Battle Cruiser as they're Engineering-heavy vessels). No one relies on passive regeneration in this game, which is why people will always take Covariant over Regenerative Shields, and will always take an Armour console over a SIF Generator, and a Field Generator over a Shield Emitter Amplifier.
Crew is ultimately the least relevant stat in the game. Let me put it this way, the Defiant-R has, depending on the vessel used for comparison, either a third or a quarter of the Crew that the other T5 Escorts have. Don't see a lot of complaining about that, do you?
No, you're the whining ***** who attacked my suggestion first. You back it up explitive deleted. Post a video of you kicking it in a K'tinga in a STF. Get to it or you're a worthless lying troll.
there was a video by the Ausmonauts of them beating Infected in shuttles.
Which is what prompted the devs to ban small craft from STFs.
Isn't reduced shield outut already stock on all the KDF ships?
well, the raptor has 33k hull with a .83 shield mod, compared to fed escorts with 30k hull and .9 shield mod. the vorcha has less hull because it turns so well i imagine, but i think its shield mod is 1 like fed cruisers.
No, you're the whining ***** who attacked my suggestion first. You back it up, twatface. Post a video of you kicking TRIBBLE in a K'tinga in a STF. Get to it or you're a worthless lying troll.
Listen bro, just because you're upset that you can't have your Infinity +1 Sword, doesn't mean you have to keep calling people names. Judging by your posts, I'm guessing you're a 12 year old who is having trouble dealing with getting grounded from xbox live. That's just too bad. If I'm wrong, maybe you can go back and look at your posts to see why I got that impression.
Just because you can't make something work doesn't mean that others can't make something work. People PVP in torpedo-only B'rels, and they STF in K'tingas. I'm not going to waste time uploading a video that you're just going to ***** about if I do anyways. The fact is, it happens, and people do it just fine. If you can't make it work, that's a you problem.
It comes down to this: You obviously like the K'tinga. I like the K'tinga too. So you can either sit on the forums and cry, or you can get in game and fly the damn thing. It's got 4 frontal weapons and can mount cannons, it's fast enough to max out defense bonus, and it's maneuverable enough to always get those guns on target. Having only a Lt. Tac Station hurts, yes. But as a Tactical captain, that isn't so much of a problem for me, and the Eng BOff slots are more than enough to keep me alive. If you're a Sci or Eng, it may be a little different.
So as I said, if you like the ship, go out and fly it. It beats the hell out of whining because the other kids got ice cream and you didn't.
Once you've begun to break a post down into individual quotes, you've pretty much reached the point of arguing that your opinion itself is valid, rather than arguing the merits of that opinion.
That said, it's clear you're not really listening, let alone interested in actually discussing this. So you go ahead and keep asking for a T5 K'tinga, and I'll keep running STF's in the K'tinga I have already.
well, the raptor has 33k hull with a .83 shield mod, compared to fed escorts with 30k hull and .9 shield mod. the vorcha has less hull because it turns so well i imagine, but i think its shield mod is 1 like fed cruisers.
Yup, the Vor'cha (like all Battle Cruisers) has a 1.0 modifier. The only exception in Cruisers is the Odyssey which has a 1.15 modifier.
Shield Modifiers of Vessel Types and Shield Types:
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Personally, I would like to see Klingons having enough content added that Tier 1 and 2 can be brought back.
Why the hell do we need a T5 K'tinga? You do realize you can run STF's in the K'tinga we have already, don't you? I do it all the time, and I only use Mk X equipment on it.
I swear, some KDF players are as bad as the Feds when it comes to calling for T5 this, T5 that... If you like the K'tinga, fricking grow a pair already, and go fly it. Don't turn into a crybaby Fed.
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I do agree with dan trainor though, we have enough f-ing pets as it is.
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You know, your comment got me thinking that given everyone wants lower-tiered ships viable at end-game, perhaps instead of C-store ships, Cryptic revises the ship system that it levels up with you.
However, should the Federation get yet another carrier vessel (God forbid, two is enough), I will happily throw the above statement out the window. If carriers can't be unique to the KDF, they can at least retain a wider selection of them.
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The K'tanco is a Battle Cruiser, and should stay as such.
K'tanco Battle Cruiser - Retrofit BG/MG
Boff: 1 Ensign Eng, 1 Lt Eng, 1 Com Eng, 1 Lt Sci, 1 LtCom Tac
Consoles: 4 Eng, 2 Sci, 3 Tac
Impulse Mod: .15
Turn Rate: 13
Hull: 34500
Crew: 400
Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device: 3 slots
Non-Battle Cloak
+10 weapons power
+10 engine power
Special Console: something cool.
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And you don't think combining those with cannons on a Cruiser is going to be... problematic?
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Now more problematic than the existing Battle cruisers, since it is based off the Vorcha.
Sacrificed Hull for Turn
Significantly lower Crew than other T5 BCs/Cru
Boffs: Sacrificed Resiliency for Tac capability
note: i fixed an error, it's supposed to be a BG ship
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The Vor'cha can't mount CRFII. The best it can do is a single copy of CRFI. And this K'Tanco suggestion has an even better turn rate, making it even more capable of using those cannons.
Beyond which, hull at Cruiser levels is basically a non-issue unless you're dealing with rather large amounts (and in this case we're not) since everyone shield tanks. And the disadvantage is further lessened by the massive turn rate boost which will make it even easier to alter shield facings. And Crew, of course, is next to meaningless in combat. So both of the disadvantage are decidedly not disadvantageous.
Try it before you *****. Instead of name-calling, try backing up your argument. As far as what you appear to know, your response says it all. If your idea of playing the game is hopping in the best ship with the best equipment and turning on the auto-pwn, then the K'tinga won't work for you. If you actually pilot the ship, and know what you're doing, it serves just fine.
Keep on whining buddy, I am sure it will take you far. You can park your T5 K'tinga right next to your T5 Connie.
I know it also reduces the effects of a number of Boff abilities, like Tactical team.
It also reduces the effectiveness of Subsytem repairs and Efficacy skills.
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Thing is, it doesn't have a large enough impact on a large enough cross section of BOff abilities to actually matter. With your entire Crew dead you aren't likely to notice an impact when using TacTeam (I never have).
And while Crew does effect Hull repair rates in and out of combat, that is entirely meaningless since Hull repair is all about Active Heals. In combat your repair rate is a fraction of your out of combat rate, enough so that it can't even offset bleedthrough damage while mounting Resilient Shields. And even out of combat Hull repair rates are low enough to be irrelevant in the face of quickly recharging Hull heals (especially on a Cruiser/Battle Cruiser as they're Engineering-heavy vessels). No one relies on passive regeneration in this game, which is why people will always take Covariant over Regenerative Shields, and will always take an Armour console over a SIF Generator, and a Field Generator over a Shield Emitter Amplifier.
Crew is ultimately the least relevant stat in the game. Let me put it this way, the Defiant-R has, depending on the vessel used for comparison, either a third or a quarter of the Crew that the other T5 Escorts have. Don't see a lot of complaining about that, do you?
there was a video by the Ausmonauts of them beating Infected in shuttles.
Which is what prompted the devs to ban small craft from STFs.
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well, the raptor has 33k hull with a .83 shield mod, compared to fed escorts with 30k hull and .9 shield mod. the vorcha has less hull because it turns so well i imagine, but i think its shield mod is 1 like fed cruisers.
Listen bro, just because you're upset that you can't have your Infinity +1 Sword, doesn't mean you have to keep calling people names. Judging by your posts, I'm guessing you're a 12 year old who is having trouble dealing with getting grounded from xbox live. That's just too bad. If I'm wrong, maybe you can go back and look at your posts to see why I got that impression.
Just because you can't make something work doesn't mean that others can't make something work. People PVP in torpedo-only B'rels, and they STF in K'tingas. I'm not going to waste time uploading a video that you're just going to ***** about if I do anyways. The fact is, it happens, and people do it just fine. If you can't make it work, that's a you problem.
It comes down to this: You obviously like the K'tinga. I like the K'tinga too. So you can either sit on the forums and cry, or you can get in game and fly the damn thing. It's got 4 frontal weapons and can mount cannons, it's fast enough to max out defense bonus, and it's maneuverable enough to always get those guns on target. Having only a Lt. Tac Station hurts, yes. But as a Tactical captain, that isn't so much of a problem for me, and the Eng BOff slots are more than enough to keep me alive. If you're a Sci or Eng, it may be a little different.
So as I said, if you like the ship, go out and fly it. It beats the hell out of whining because the other kids got ice cream and you didn't.
That said, it's clear you're not really listening, let alone interested in actually discussing this. So you go ahead and keep asking for a T5 K'tinga, and I'll keep running STF's in the K'tinga I have already.
Good luck buddy. Nice talking to you.
Could we talk about the K'tanco instead please? since that is what the thread is about.
Yup, the Vor'cha (like all Battle Cruisers) has a 1.0 modifier. The only exception in Cruisers is the Odyssey which has a 1.15 modifier.
Shield Modifiers of Vessel Types and Shield Types:
Bird-of-Prey: 0.8
Raptor: 0.833
Escort: 0.9
Cruiser: 1.0
Battle Cruiser: 1.0
Odyssey: 1.15
Science Vessel: 1.3
Regenerative: 0.9
Resilient Shield: 0.95
Standard: 1.0
Covariant: 1.1
Paratrinic: 1.43