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Donatra - is she still alive !
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I have completed the KA stf both in its current format and as it used to be as a standard mission before being a PVE.
As with the other two borg stf pve missions there are some differences between how they were then and how they are now, but none more so than KA.
There are two key differences imo that raise the question as to whether Donatra now survives KA, whereas in its previous format she clearly perished.
Before in the first space section Donatra and her ship goes through the portal and then at the end of the ground section she beams of the bunker. You then destroyed her and her ship in a final space section.
But in KA as it is now, in the first space section you destroy her ship but she escapes in a pod through the portal. Again at the end of the ground section she beams of the bunker and thats it you dont confront her again in this new version of KA.
She's not really a major player in ST but just wondered if officially the line is that she is still dead or was part of the rewrite done to include a surviving Donatra from now on?
As with the other two borg stf pve missions there are some differences between how they were then and how they are now, but none more so than KA.
There are two key differences imo that raise the question as to whether Donatra now survives KA, whereas in its previous format she clearly perished.
Before in the first space section Donatra and her ship goes through the portal and then at the end of the ground section she beams of the bunker. You then destroyed her and her ship in a final space section.
But in KA as it is now, in the first space section you destroy her ship but she escapes in a pod through the portal. Again at the end of the ground section she beams of the bunker and thats it you dont confront her again in this new version of KA.
She's not really a major player in ST but just wondered if officially the line is that she is still dead or was part of the rewrite done to include a surviving Donatra from now on?
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They can rebuild her. They have the technology....
On the other hand, I'm not in the habit of leaving survivors, so I'm inclined to say "No, she's dead".
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
their assets and rank pass to the next in line and their soul goes to hell/Tartarus/Grenthor/paradise /elysium/alton towers
Sorry folks but Borg are the living dead
but i doubt it, her character is not that important.
so...she's dead Jim!
PS: maybe she laid eggs before she died!
The how did Seven/Picard/all those other liberated Borg come back?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
equal parts cynical and helpful
If it's still like the old one in terms of timeline, you deal with the gateways, then go back in time to the bunker.
I thought in the old version they also went "We detected some escape pods. I doubt this is the last we've seen of her."?
They didn't
a few walking corpses in starfleet unforms changes nothing
Picard as a man died on that table
Heck, she always refits a klingonship as her personal ship within 60 minutes!
Borgs must be all chinese ...
I doubt a "walking corpse" could fall in love, or cry over a nephew's death, or age backwards for a brief time.
They might have been deeply affected by their experiences, but that doesn't mean they're dead.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Watch this, yes they can :cool:
Also Angel
Spike
Etc
That's different. Those people physically died and came back to life. Picard/Seven/etc had their minds linked to the Borg Collective, and were later severed. Their personalities returned to normal with some time.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
nanotech loose in their bodies and their blood replaced with lubricants in some places
that sounds pretty dead to me
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(and its why this forum is going to go a lot quieter very soon)
anyone who has a view (at all) gets called a troll unless the view is that of the collective
as far as i can tell the Borg are merely puppets of the Iconians (and may indeed not be a sentient faction at all)
which is kind of weird
still there was a good discussion in first city this week about who controls the Iconians
(everyone is controlled by someone else its like dungeon seige round here)
We concluded it was the tribbles
No, it's Sela that got grabbed by the Iconians. Donatra disappeared in 2387, just before the Hobus supernova.
I'm inclined to agree. And good point about the hospital definition of "dead".
I'm amending my argument: they were "dead", but then got revived. That happens at hospitals, right? And the revived people are still themselves, right?
How do you figure that?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
your confusing 2 different people. Empress Sela is in the schimtar that gets taken by the Iconians. Donatra was leader of the RSE before the hobus system collapse, her ship disappeared enroute to Romulus.. vanished without a trace, I guess her showing up as a borg is a reasonable explanation.
just to clearify, that is a Reman ship, not Klingon. it is a Scimitar class warbird.
As to the Borg being puppets of the Iconians
Every faction in the game is a puppet of someone
Undine manipulate the Klingons federation and romulans
The Iconians manipulate the Undine and the Romulans (and maybe everyone else)
Etc etc
and the Borg are a tool of the Iconians as well in all probability
but as discussions in first city are heading
We think the Tribbles control the iconians
Hmm...interesting stuff.
I think that's kind of sick.
I guess it's possible.
I recall that in "State of Q", the Iconians were responsible for sending those Borg onto the Saratoga to change history. I see multiple possible interpretations of that case.
I could go with that. :biggrin:
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone