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darthorici
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sorry to say this. but some one has to
6.25 = 500 cpoints
5.00 = 500 zen
yes they are the same till you go and Exchange. then the miss match hapens. here is the rate i used in doing the math 500 zen
here is the rate
Star Trek Online
5 ZEN = 4 C-Points
100 ZEN = 80 C-Points
500 zen useing there numbers would give you 400 cpoints thats is a 100 cpoint lose.
how is this fair to the sto player who linked there acount? when the players who dont still can buy cpoints and get a 100 more cpoints.
6.25 = 500 cpoints
5.00 = 500 zen
yes they are the same till you go and Exchange. then the miss match hapens. here is the rate i used in doing the math 500 zen
here is the rate
Star Trek Online
5 ZEN = 4 C-Points
100 ZEN = 80 C-Points
500 zen useing there numbers would give you 400 cpoints thats is a 100 cpoint lose.
how is this fair to the sto player who linked there acount? when the players who dont still can buy cpoints and get a 100 more cpoints.
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Ah, yet another "PWE RIPZ ME OFF" thread.
You even posted the answer:
6.25 = 500 cpoints
5.00 = 500 zen
6.25 =/= 5.00
See how that works?
Now, if we assume 5.00 = 5.00 instead:
5.00 = 400cp
5.00 = 500z
CP have always been 1.00 = 80cp. You're not losing real money in the conversion.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "I weary of the chase. Wait for me. I shall be merciful and quick."
C-store: "Buy 2000 C-store points" for $25.
Zen: You have to buy 2000 Zen and another 400 Zen to get 2000 C-store points. This costs $25.
So right there, is a great example that is a 1:1 buy and no currency is lost during the exchange. And if there was any loss of currency, it would show up with the higher costs.
Now the only disadvantage I see with the Zen to C-Store is that the C-store operated with more exact values. While Zen, you have to do some figuring.
500 Zen = 400 C-store
1000 Zen = 800 C-store
1500 Zen = 1200 C-store
2000 Zen = 1600 C-store
So due to the exchange rates and the different values, your mind is basically playing tricks that something is fishy.
$1 = 100 Zen = 80 C-Points
100 C-Points = $1.25
1 C-Point = 1.25 cents
1 Zen = 1 cent
$6.25 = 500 C-Points (as it's always been)
$6.25 = 625 Zen
Think of it as converting the US dollar to a foreign currency when you're traveling overseas. You'll still have the same total value of your money, it will just be in a different form.
Under Atari C-Points became Atari Tokens. Since they're switching everything else over to PW standards they should just drop the C-Points and switch everything to Zen now and be done with it. At least there would be fewer confused people.
You missed a little bit of the math.
500 zen / $5 = 100 zen per dollar
500 cpoints / $6.25 = 80 cpoints per dollar
400 cpoints / 80 cpoints per dollar = $5
So $5 = 500 zen = 400 cpoints.
The "100 loss" is because you are paying a dollar and a quarter less for zen than you are cpoints which...
1.25 x 80 = 100
means cpoints cost exactly the same no matter the method.
How many of these type of threads will it take before the Powers that Be ... okay BranFlakes, gives us a sticky at the top of the forums explaining this ?
Merge them all, then sticky :biggrin:
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "I weary of the chase. Wait for me. I shall be merciful and quick."
Indeed:
500 Zen for $5 compared to 500 C-Store for $6.25.
1000 Zen for $10 compared to 1000 C-Store for $12.50
So if you converted 500 C-store into Zen, that would be 625 Zen. And if the C-store's values was redone to equal Zen, then you would get 400 C-store points for $5.
Try to follow....
100 Zen = $1
80 C-Points = $1
So
100 Zen = 80 C-Points = $1.
YOU LOSE NOTHING IN CONVERTING ZEN TO C-POINTS. If you spend $50 to buy C-Points or spend $50 to by Zen and convert the Zen to C-Points, you have the exact same amount of spending power.
The difference between Cryptic and Perfect World is the size and pricing of their Game Currency Bundles. That will confuse you. Forget about it. You can't do a direct comparisons. It's like comparing Canadian Dollars directly to Nigerian Naira. You have to take into account the currency conversion rates.
$50.00 = 5,000 + 300
$30.00 = 3,000
$20.00 = 2,000
$10.00 = 1,000
$5.00 = 500
every 100 zen is 80 cpoint
the math is 80+80+80+80+80= 400
sonow that we have the bace number of 500 zen its is not easy to do the math for the rest of tthe zen Exchange Rates.
500 zen = 400 cpoints
1000 zen 800 cpoints
2000 zen = 1600 cpoints
3000 zen = 2400 cpoint
5000zen = 4000 ( when you add the 300zen bonus ) brings the cpoints to 4240 cpoints.
if some one could get the numbers for the buying cpoints whos acount not linked we can compare dollors to cponts.
From Cryptic: $1 = 80cp
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "I weary of the chase. Wait for me. I shall be merciful and quick."
Champions has not been merged edit: yet..... http://www.champions-online.com/crypticpointscards
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
thanks for that link.
$50.00 = 5,000 + 300 zen = 4240 cpoints
$30.00 = 3,000 zen = 2400 cpoint
$20.00 = 2,000 zen = 1600 cpoint
$10.00 = 1,000 zen = 800 cpoint
$5.00 = 500 zen = 400 cpoint
none linked. can only buy cpoints
$62.50 USD = 5000 cpoints
$25.00 USD =2000 cpoints
$18.75 USD = 1500 cpoints
$12.50 USD = 1000 cpoints
$6.25 USD = 500 cpoints
pwe had said was back that the Exchange Rates for zen to cpoints would give the player the same amount as if they bought cpoint.
but when you look at it in only zenn then yes 500 zen and 500 cpoints are the same. yes we linked acounts players pay a $1.25 leee for the same number of zen points.but what i am trying to say is this. the Exchange Rates is not fair
oh by the way Champions Online will be next as there is a Exchange Rate for it
the Star Trek and Champions Online
5 ZEN = 4 C-Points
100 ZEN = 80 C-Points
we with linked acounts now have to by more zen to get things than you with out link acounts
a ship skin costs a non linked acount 440 in cpoints. that player can by 500 cpoints and be done.
but us linked players have to spend more. to get that 440 cpoints we got to buy 100 zen and change them into cpoints for 800 cpoints .
so we are play more to get the same ingame things.
1 C-Point = 1.25 cents (US dollars)
1 Zen = 1 cent (US dollars)
A single C-Point is, and has always been, worth more than a single Zen. Converting Zen to C-Points takes a larger number of Zen because C-Points are worth more. There is no loss value upon conversion. You are still getting the same number of C-Points, per US dollar spent, by converting Zen then you did by purchasing C-Points directly from Cryptic.
As a Career Officer you receive the monthly Gold Subscription stipend of 400 C-Points. 400 C-Points has a monetary value of $5 (US).
400 C-P x 1.25 points per C-P = $5
$5 x 1 point per Zen = 500 Zen
$5 = 400 CP = 500 Zen = $5
You're getting confused by the conversion, but you're not losing any money in the process.
More than what? The price in c points hasn't changed. The price to obtain c points hasn't changed.
Spend more than what?
# of CP * 1.25 = # of ZEN
# of ZEN / 1.25 = # of CP
So 500 ZEN / 1.25 = 400 CP. So yes, the math works.
It IS true that you can't buy 500 CP anymore. If you need more than 400 CP you have to buy the 1000 ZEN bundle.
The increments are different, that's all.
What might cheese me off, if I were inclined to be, is that there are a whole bunch of C-Store items that are just over 400 CP. Items listed at 440 and 480, to be exact. So now you can't just buy the lowest increment of points for those items, it won't be enough.
I would hope that they overhaul the CP costs more favorably. Those 400+ items should really be marked down to 400. Not likely, maybe, but that's what I think they ought to do.
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CP# needed / .8 = (the amount of Zen you need to buy)
Eaxmple:
2000 CP for the groovy new ship / .8 = 2500 Zen
very easy with the calculator EVERY computer has installed in it.
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If your curious about how many CP you will get for the Zen you already have:
Zen# x .8 = CP# equivalent
Example:
2000 Zen x .8 = 1600CP
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First comes in packs of 8, latter in packs of 6 ...
Point of fact, 400 CP is still the equivalent of $5 USD. If you were buying it instead of getting it in a stipend, you'd be buying $5 worth of ZEN, or 500 ZEN. Which converts to 400 CP.
Nobody's getting cheated on that score. Gold players getting their stipend would still have to save two month's stipend to afford a 440 CP item.
Personally, I think they ought to reprice those 440 CP items down to 400 CP. That way someone could buy the minimum amount of ZEN (500) to get them. People might not be all that willing to shell out $10 USD to pick up an item that's only worth $5.50.
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Or just but the extra 40cp on the dilithium exchange.
Dec/2008
Um... yeah. That, too. :redface:
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The Stipend was an example since it has a $5 value.
Every $1 you spend will buy you 80 C-Points. It has always been this way. $1 / 80 C-Points = $0.0125 (1 and 1/4 pennies) per C-Point.
Every $1 you spend will buy you 100 Zen. As far as I know it's also always been that way. $1 / 100 Zen = $0.01 (1 penny) per Zen.
$1 = 80 C-Points = 100 Zen = $1.
1 C-Point is NOT equal to 1 Zen. 1 C-Point is worth 25% more than 1 Zen, or 1 Zen is worth 80% of the value of 1 C-Point. That is why Perfect World has to convert them, and that's why it looks like you're losing out, but you're not. 100 Zen cost $1 (1 US dollar), where 100 C-Points cost $1.25 ($1 US dollar + 1 quarter).
"DO most people just not get basic math?"
Regards,
FWIW, so are Turbine Points, Paragon Points, and other typical MMO cash shop currencies. It's designed to short circuit your brain into seeing store prices as lower than they really are.
In turn, Sony Station Cash, facebook cash, and ZEN are 100 per $1. It's fundamentally a more honest amount.
In turn, Blizzard's cash shop actually just charges you cash. No intermediary currency.
The whole system is predicating on several accounting tricks. One is commonly used at retain or in gas stations. If people see an 8 or 9 in a price, it causes them to perceive it as less. It's a manipulation of rounding.
Another is how gift cards work. When people buy gift cards (and I'd imagine online gaming currencies work not entirely unlike this, although less so), around 20% is never spent. This is how large companies can justify having large numbers of gift cards printed and pay firms to handle giftcards while selling them at face value. (In turn, Visa check cards expect you to spend down to the last penny and offer additional protections, which is why they charge a fee.)
By getting you to convert into a currency, there is change that will never be spent on tangible services. By getting you to buy 80 for $1, they short circuit your perception of cost.
There's nothing illegal. Just standard manipulation.
Cryptic has always, always done these things ever since they launched Champions' C-Store. And companies have done this sort of thing in their games by playing currency three card monte. (Latinum is flat out worth around 80% of what dilithium is.)
However, these systems don't work quite as well with the dilithium exchange or with ZEN conversions, which are actually more straightforward.
Change is easy to spend with the currency conversion. And while there may be lots of change floating around out there, I'm not prepared to say it's a giftcard scenario where 20% is reliably unspent. It really depends on how PWE does its bookkeeping. My gut says that STO Points are accounted separately from C-Points and C-Points get converted into STO Points when you use the dilithium exchange. Which is all pretty meaningless with the account mergers because C-Points are no longer transferable between Champs and STO.
The bottom line is... You are getting what you always got. The PWE conversion didn't change anything for you.
However, I think it would make a lot of sense for Cryptic to adjust to a 100 points per $1 currency. Because the system which once made things seem cheaper now makes them seem artificially more expensive.