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gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
When i first saw this game coming out sayin to pre-order and you can play as borg but seein how the game is now you can have a borg character but i was hoping for a faction.
With that i discussed it with fleet friends cause it wouldn't be fair if a faction got a bonus like other borg where to become immune to weapons but more like an "UNALLINED BORG" that opens up just new character outfits with the machines poking out or something along with some borg ships. although the borg cubes were much if you ask me but do like a C-Store thing with it like KDF bortasku's so you can buy smaller cubes cause unallined borg are more of an infected borg with a virus that gives them separate concience but still have some borg tech so you can have assimilated versions of other ships. with something this unique there might need to be a lvl cap so like fed side or kdf side needs this lvl before borg can be unlocked.


Please comment on this and throw in your own ideas cause if like it too cryptic may not wanna run on a vauge idea of something this complicated cause it would need new campaign, ships, ect.

P.S. THE IDEA IS UNALLINED SO THEY CAN'T ASSIMILATE OTHER CHARACTERS (or ships but a weaker version built into a point defense system would be cool), tryin to make a fair yet unique faction to bring in more players and make the game fun.
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    As appealing as it is, a Borg faction of any kind making it into the game is very unlikely given that before any more factions can be added the KDF need to be brought up to par with the Federation.
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    what do you mean on par. they look about the same to me except that the campaigns are mostly the same.
    and i'm not looking to get this done ASAP i'm lookin for like season 8 since season 6 is comin out next month. plenty of time to think it over
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    As far as the Klingon faction vs Federation faction goes. Currently you have to have a level 24 fed toon to start a Klingon toon. KDF players start at level 20 (I believe this is still true, though the devs say 18). And KDF has 9 unique missions to the feds 40+. Many feel this needs to be closer to even for there to be any new faction.

    As for the Borg specifically. I can't see it ever being a playable faction. As fun as it would be, it just isn't possible with the Borg. They have no ranks/command structure. You are a drone and continue to be a drone, you are no higher/lower then any other drone.They have like 3 or 4 ship types, with no level of costumization do to focusing more on functionality rather then ascetics.

    Honestly, while I still hold out hope for an eventual Romulan Star Empire, Cardassian Union and Possibly Dominion playable faction, I just don't see how one can make a playable Borg Collective.
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    defalus wrote: »
    the KDF need to be brought up to par with the Federation.

    Really? Who says? ;)

    The devs can just leave the KDF in the dust and move on. There's nothing stopping them.

    I don't want to see it. Just wanted to mention that.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Really? Who says? ;)

    The devs can just leave the KDF in the dust and move on. There's nothing stopping them.

    I don't want to see it. Just wanted to mention that.

    All the KDf fans have been saying it for years now. The Devs even stated it was gonna happen but got lost chasing the ego-centric feds around grabbing at thier wallets when the game went F2P.
    Now Crytpic is trapped of thier own making but, especially with the help of some feds, unable to climb out and make STO a real mmo with multiple factions, a storyline that follows some measure of sense and endgame that is immersive.
    Of course thats just my personal opinion tempered from years of waiting for STO to actually get out of its extended Beta.
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  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited June 2012
    Well, i think we can simply forget about a 3rd faction.
    Why?
    Because the devs are not able to handle even 2 factions, how can you expect them to handle 3?

    So all the talk about wanting to add the romulan, is just talk about want.
    Nothing will come of it til the game dies.
    Unless something drastically change sin the view of the devs or in the manpower department.
  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    ok this is a blog for ideas so enough sass cause i'm seein some of you say "no borg but lets add this other faction" if you wanna start that find your own thread. plus at the moment this game is revolving around FED KDF and Borg. if anything there shouldn't be some big mass of different factions at once and most games don't do more than 3-5 major powers anyways, or cryptic should at least just make it so you can take your fleet and go rouge making your own faction using your fleet. honestly that idea wouldn't be horrible expecially with the new bases coming out but its more logical to do one or the other using the major powers or making rouges and do your own side story.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Any Borg faction would have to be limited to levels 1-10 and restricted to one single sector
    any PVP would have to end in the destruction of the borg

    because in this game borg are wuss factor 7
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    not really. reading the story to some of the star trek series there was one borg who ultimately pulled out a group of borg and gave them individuality just as he had which was mentioned on voyager and or earlier.
  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    yeah your really closed minded and obviously just biased sollvax
  • adufauxadufaux Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012

    As for the Borg specifically. I can't see it ever being a playable faction. As fun as it would be, it just isn't possible with the Borg. They have no ranks/command structure. You are a drone and continue to be a drone, you are no higher/lower then any other drone.They have like 3 or 4 ship types, with no level of costumization do to focusing more on functionality rather then ascetics.

    Honestly, while I still hold out hope for an eventual Romulan Star Empire, Cardassian Union and Possibly Dominion playable faction, I just don't see how one can make a playable Borg Collective.


    While it saddens me to say this, I agree. I think it would be hard to integrate a Borg faction into the game. If they were kept at what we all know them to be, they would be over powered, if they balanced them to be fair with other races, they would be nerfed. It would be a headache of trying to keep everyone happy.

    I can't wait for a Romulan and Reman faction. The idea of a mini-faction (5 Level Faction), should be reconsidered, and a Cardassian return to the "game" as a meaty military force should definitely be explored. True Way eradicators perhaps.
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  • genericiigenericii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    gurren22 wrote: »
    When i first saw this game coming out sayin to pre-order and you can play as borg but seein how the game is now you can have a borg character but i was hoping for a faction.
    With that i discussed it with fleet friends cause it wouldn't be fair if a faction got a bonus like other borg where to become immune to weapons but more like an "UNALLINED BORG" that opens up just new character outfits with the machines poking out or something along with some borg ships. although the borg cubes were much if you ask me but do like a C-Store thing with it like KDF bortasku's so you can buy smaller cubes cause unallined borg are more of an infected borg with a virus that gives them separate concience but still have some borg tech so you can have assimilated versions of other ships. with something this unique there might need to be a lvl cap so like fed side or kdf side needs this lvl before borg can be unlocked.


    Please comment on this and throw in your own ideas cause if like it too cryptic may not wanna run on a vauge idea of something this complicated cause it would need new campaign, ships, ect.

    P.S. THE IDEA IS UNALLINED SO THEY CAN'T ASSIMILATE OTHER CHARACTERS (or ships but a weaker version built into a point defense system would be cool), tryin to make a fair yet unique faction to bring in more players and make the game fun.


    When I look at the KDF and then listen to the DStahl interview on Priority One's latest podcast where he backtracks on his long standing promise to make the KDF a full faction, the last thing I want in STO are more half-baked factions.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    gurren22 wrote: »
    yeah your really closed minded and obviously just biased sollvax

    Nope just not an assimilated drone.
    And staying that way

    Drones are mindless zombies and any player drone would be limited to lt level (and of course walk slowly and into doors)
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    you guys aren't very smart. borg walk slow cause they are emptie minded with an objective as 1 thing in mind. the unaligned borg are broken from their assimilated mind and think like everyone else with their own perks so they can run and make their own ranks under the same kind of rule as the other factions (sorta, everyone has their own laws) and go up in rank. and i swear if yall don't start reading instead of complaining i'm reporting winers requesting you be banned from forms
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    So the idea of Borg faction for you is comprised up of liberated Borg toons that get to retain the Borg vessels and Borg technology after being freed from the Borg collective?
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I've been doing nothing but repeating a very basic backstory on how to open a borg faction that is fair and logical yet none of you read.
  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    So the idea of Borg faction for you is comprised up of liberated Borg toons that get to retain the Borg vessels and Borg technology after being freed from the Borg collective?

    yes, finally someone gets it. just not the tech part, they get their own mind back and a LIMITED assimilate ability that mostly gives their ships a faster ship hull regen, other than that that is mostly up to cryptic and that is why i started this thread is to discuss it. if you do want a borg cube in game i recommend that its integrated into the C-Store like the other factions greatest ships like oddy and bortasku. although cube is too big so that is to be discussed.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    A borg with free will is NOT a Borg
    is not assimilated and wants to get as far away from other ex borg as possible

    MOST consider suicide or need massive counselling

    Borg SHIPS function only because of thousands of enslaved borg
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    A borg with free will is NOT a Borg
    is not assimilated and wants to get as far away from other ex borg as possible

    MOST consider suicide or need massive counselling

    Borg SHIPS function only because of thousands of enslaved borg

    and again your not listening. watch voyager where halfbreeds do exist yet there are some who can't reverse being borg with the borg look but rarely like 2 episodes at max where there was one borg who matches my description exactly that split off and freed a few other borg from assimilation and they dissapeared in the show and never mentioned again. if (you definitely of all) you actually ever watch any of the shows as much as some of the experts on this game do you'd know. but what i'm getting at is continuing that borg, who's name escapes me, story till he makes a faction of his own with free minded borg it could be possible. and also like the ships need many borg that just means more crew that give the ship regen to hull like i sad before.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Meh, if the Devs cannot, or even refuse to work on 2 factions that already exist in the game, there's a snowball's chance happening for any new factions.

    Bringing up the notion of work outside the Feds to Cryptic? You can see their tears welling up in their eyes. They hate working outside that box.

    They have yet to bring the KDF & Federation factions on equal footing, 2 YEARS after the game has been released. They refuse to do much more for the 2nd faction.

    Cryptic's track history in the game, their focus in development (and milking) point that no other factions will be made playable in STO. If they do, they will be in such horrible condition such as when the KDF was in when the game went live.

    The Romulans, often brought up as a desired new faction, will not make it.

    Another newer faction, critical in Star Trek's later era, is guaranteed not to be playable. And that faction is the Dominion. Why? Cryptic's already whor*ing out ships that have traditionally been aligned with the Dominion. Galor? Check, but I can understand the seperation for the Dominion & Cardassians. Jem'Hadar Attack Ship / Bugship? Thrown out like candy to anyone.

    New factions have no shot in STO. Because Cryptic is too lazy to even think that this is a multi-faciton game. They're too busy chasing behind the Feds trying to cut their purse strings.
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    adufaux wrote: »
    While it saddens me to say this, I agree. I think it would be hard to integrate a Borg faction into the game. If they were kept at what we all know them to be, they would be over powered, if they balanced them to be fair with other races, they would be nerfed. It would be a headache of trying to keep everyone happy.

    I can't wait for a Romulan and Reman faction. The idea of a mini-faction (5 Level Faction), should be reconsidered, and a Cardassian return to the "game" as a meaty military force should definitely be explored. True Way eradicators perhaps.

    ok i see what your saying but if you read it the free minded borg don't have the strength to be immune to weapons. they just have resistence to plasma and (yes nerfed but fair for borg) be able to be either immune to weapons for a very short amout of time not including grenades or knockbacks, or be able to freeze turrets and drones for a short amout of time.

    BTW i'm talking about character abilities not bridge crew. they just get resistence to plasma and 1 depending on race
  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Meh, if the Devs cannot, or even refuse to work on 2 factions that already exist in the game, there's a snowball's chance happening for any new factions.

    Bringing up the notion of work outside the Feds to Cryptic? You can see their tears welling up in their eyes. They hate working outside that box.

    They have yet to bring the KDF & Federation factions on equal footing, 2 YEARS after the game has been released. They refuse to do much more for the 2nd faction.

    Cryptic's track history in the game, their focus in development (and milking) point that no other factions will be made playable in STO. If they do, they will be in such horrible condition such as when the KDF was in when the game went live.

    The Romulans, often brought up as a desired new faction, will not make it.

    Another newer faction, critical in Star Trek's later era, is guaranteed not to be playable. And that faction is the Dominion. Why? Cryptic's already whor*ing out ships that have traditionally been aligned with the Dominion. Galor? Check, but I can understand the seperation for the Dominion & Cardassians. Jem'Hadar Attack Ship / Bugship? Thrown out like candy to anyone.

    New factions have no shot in STO. Because Cryptic is too lazy to even think that this is a multi-faciton game. They're too busy chasing behind the Feds trying to cut their purse strings.

    ok i can respect your argument cause your not just downing the unallined borg saying they are mindless when i've mentioned thats not the case. and i know there is a snowballs chance but this is an idea for the future. yes 2 years is long and i see how kdf isn't on equal ground thanx to the copy paste and cookie cutter they get from fed being the only faction you can start with till lvl 24, but an idea for cryptic to look at expecially with them and perfect world joining for some odd reason (i think PW is paying cryptic or something so PW might give a large part of the vote) the kdf could get better management (eventually) and then they will get around to a 3rd when they find it will benefit money and/or customer wise which again the 3 large power in game is FED, KDF, and Borg.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    gurren22 wrote: »
    and again your not listening. watch voyager where halfbreeds do exist yet there are some who can't reverse being borg with the borg look but rarely like 2 episodes at max where there was one borg who matches my description exactly that split off and freed a few other borg from assimilation and they dissapeared in the show and never mentioned again. if (you definitely of all) you actually ever watch any of the shows as much as some of the experts on this game do you'd know. but what i'm getting at is continuing that borg, who's name escapes me, story till he makes a faction of his own with free minded borg it could be possible. and also like the ships need many borg that just means more crew that give the ship regen to hull like i sad before.

    Hugh whose "faction" self destructed
    Seven ov nine who worked tirelessly to KILL all borg
    Picard who was so damaged he went Ahab

    A borg freed from the death state wants to get as far away as possible from ALL borg tech

    Borg vessels should be WEAK and limited
    borg faction (if any) must be weaker than ANY other option (including Ferengi shop keepers)
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Hugh whose "faction" self destructed
    Seven ov nine who worked tirelessly to KILL all borg
    Picard who was so damaged he went Ahab

    A borg freed from the death state wants to get as far away as possible from ALL borg tech

    Borg vessels should be WEAK and limited
    borg faction (if any) must be weaker than ANY other option (including Ferengi shop keepers)

    is it anymore rediculous than romulans who's home planet was destroyed? and its not like cryptic has much sense of logic in teh game anyways so there is no point arguing plus the smart and brave would use a tech resistant to the enemy which is the borg tech itself sense it boost an original ships capabilities. get off this thread if you don't like it your just biasedly upset. come back when your older kid
  • cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Well we won't get a third faction IMO. I'd love for there to be a third, fourth, fifth, sixth and so on, but Cryptic has shown they can't even deal with 2. They've said they'd like to do a third in the past but I only see that as blowing smoke up our hopeful rear ends.

    As for the Borg, sorry but I don't like your idea. If I wanted a borg faction I'd want it to be the collective, that monolithic lovecraftian geigeresque consumer that tells it's victims exactly what it's going to do to them like it was a foregone conclusion. I could only see that working as more of an RTS style game and that would require far more work to implement and balance than Cryptic can handle. Ofcourse I think the same of your idea requiring more work than Cryptic can handle, so really our brainstorming is just an exercise in frustration.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    gurren22 wrote: »
    is it anymore rediculous than romulans who's home planet was destroyed? and its not like cryptic has much sense of logic in teh game anyways so there is no point arguing plus the smart and brave would use a tech resistant to the enemy which is the borg tech itself sense it boost an original ships capabilities. get off this thread if you don't like it your just biasedly upset. come back when your older kid

    Im a LOT older than the Borg are missy

    And people who have been mutilated , abused and dehumanised do not do the same to others

    NO one who had ever been assimilated would WANT to use a borg ANYTHING

    If you don't like people disagreeing with you i suggest "my little pony "
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  • tankalot42otankalot42o Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    gurren22 wrote: »
    you guys aren't very smart. borg walk slow cause they are emptie minded with an objective as 1 thing in mind. the unaligned borg are broken from their assimilated mind and think like everyone else with their own perks so they can run and make their own ranks under the same kind of rule as the other factions (sorta, everyone has their own laws) and go up in rank. and i swear if yall don't start reading instead of complaining i'm reporting winers requesting you be banned from forms

    good luck finding the report button..........................
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  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Im a LOT older than the Borg are missy

    And people who have been mutilated , abused and dehumanised do not do the same to others

    NO one who had ever been assimilated would WANT to use a borg ANYTHING

    If you don't like people disagreeing with you i suggest "my little pony "

    disagree with me isn't a problem as long as you have a logical answer behind it although your just bein a kid, close minded, unwanted noob of a girl who prefer to strike down any idea with an opinion than looking at the facts.

    for one, cryptic being owner of the game could bipass your entire idea of noone wanting to deal with borg when you still haven't looked up the small fact i told you where its happened that at least 1 borg actually dealed with it and returned to the collective to free more like him.

    next, cry, just cry
  • gurren22gurren22 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    cormoran wrote: »
    Well we won't get a third faction IMO. I'd love for there to be a third, fourth, fifth, sixth and so on, but Cryptic has shown they can't even deal with 2. They've said they'd like to do a third in the past but I only see that as blowing smoke up our hopeful rear ends.

    As for the Borg, sorry but I don't like your idea. If I wanted a borg faction I'd want it to be the collective, that monolithic lovecraftian geigeresque consumer that tells it's victims exactly what it's going to do to them like it was a foregone conclusion. I could only see that working as more of an RTS style game and that would require far more work to implement and balance than Cryptic can handle. Ofcourse I think the same of your idea requiring more work than Cryptic can handle, so really our brainstorming is just an exercise in frustration.

    i know i would like a buffed up borg too but this is mmo and like you said it won't work like that. glad you dropped your opinion, thats what i was waiting so long for :smile:
  • venser1000venser1000 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    A Borg faction is far more rediculous than a Romulan Faction..once one is liberated from the collective they are no longer borg. So It would have to be a liberated borg faction..hell bent on the destruction of borg, or a support group for borg survivors. Great story there..Makes much more sense than Romulans out to rebuild an empire
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