Is the T5 Armitage worth $25 ?

System · June 2012

I was very excited like everyone else to see a T5 Akira Class refit hit the game, but I wanted to wait to see what everyone had to say about it. Well it doesn't sound that great. For a $25 ship what extra do you get ?
1. New Akira 2409 skin.
2. New Console, which I'm hearing isn't that great. I was told it does 40 dps.
3. 1 Hangar Bay, really. the ship is almost the size of a Sovy, it only has room for 1 Hangar Bay ?
4. It has the same Hull as the Defiant Refit, 30K, how did the Devs figure that one out when the Akira is way bigger then the Defiant ? CaptGejo did list the ship at 36K Hull in the beginning then changed it to 30K. 36K would have made more sense because as I said it almost as big as a Sovy which has 39K Hull.
So for the few "new" things you get with it, I'm not spending my hard earned C-Store points on it, I'll keep flying my Defiant Refit, I rather buy the DS9 Defiant Interior package. Which also makes my worry what "little" we will get with the "Sovy Refit" when it is release which I also was and everyone waiting for ?
That's my 2 cents on this.

Archived Post · June 2012

About 1 hangar and the 30k hull is probably for balance issues, don't forget that is an escort. An escort with the hull of a crusier and the hangars of a carrier = ultimate OP ship

The ships seems to handle fine for pve and pvp, i personaly think that none ship worth 25U$S (u can get full games for that price in steam...) but is a good ship.

Archived Post · June 2012

blueamdgamer wrote: »

Is the T5 Armitage worth $25 ?

It is if you want to play it.

Archived Post · June 2012

Honestly, I love my T5 more than my Defiant-R, and the Defiant is my favorite ST ship of all time.

The Naomi Armitage class is superior to the Defiant in many ways and equal to it in others. The only thing it doesn't have on the Defiant is the turn rate, at 15 but you don't really notice it that much when flying it. It turns just like an MVAM.

The Torpedo PDS is a great little gadget to play around with, especially when coupled with the original PDS. I'm currently using CSV2, TS3, PDS, and TPDS when I want to wreck a bunch of things all at once in an STF or Fleet mission. DPS on the TPDS is nominal because it has a 3 minute refresh. But when you fire that puppy, it can really do some damage. 6 torps at 1977 per target (base, can be increased with consoles, I currently do 2799 per torp with 2 torpedo consoles) up to 12 targets simultaneously.

Sure it can draw all of the aggro in the game, but that just comes with being an escort anyways, and you have to use it wisely. Like when a bunch of nanite spheres or probes get bunched together with Gravity well, popping them with CSV2 to shred their shields then using TPDS on them is like watching a TRIBBLE ton of fireworks going off. The splash damage alone from that volley is enough to kill probes easily.

You get a single hanger, but can have up to 6 fighters out at one time, or 6 runabouts. Each of them with tractors and chroniton torpedoes, which anyone will tell you is BS in PVP because you can't counter chronitons and each runabout has 18k hull. The Advanced Peregrine fighters are great little damage monsters also. Keep in mind that to have hangers on other ships, your turn rate was that of Lunar orbit.

The hull is 30k because it's an escort, and it needs to be balanced as playhard stated. If it had 36k hull, that would equal to around 50k in the hands of a VA after bonuses, far too much. Keep in mind it also has a LTC Engineering Boff slot, which can house Aux to structural 2, which is an outstanding hull heal for an escort.

Size in STO is nothing more than aesthetic based, it has no bearing on the actual abilities of the ship itself.

Archived Post · June 2012

I bought it and I like it. So I suppose it was worth my, well I don't now, I am from Europe and paid with Euros (still worth something)

I am a free players so I don't mind paying for something', something that I like, want to have. I am an escorts nut. I already had the thunderchild so I have both consoles. Have to say that buying a low tier ship is a bit of a waste. With the fast leveling you will use it probably one afternoon. Now with this baby everything falls into the right place for me.

Archived Post · June 2012

blueamdgamer wrote: »

I was very excited like everyone else to see a T5 Akira Class refit hit the game, but I wanted to wait to see what everyone had to say about it. Well it doesn't sound that great. For a $25 ship what extra do you get ?
1. New Akira 2409 skin.
2. New Console, which I'm hearing isn't that great. I was told it does 40 dps.
3. 1 Hangar Bay, really. the ship is almost the size of a Sovy, it only has room for 1 Hangar Bay ?
4. It has the same Hull as the Defiant Refit, 30K, how did the Devs figure that one out when the Akira is way bigger then the Defiant ? CaptGejo did list the ship at 36K Hull in the beginning then changed it to 30K. 36K would have made more sense because as I said it almost as big as a Sovy which has 39K Hull.
So for the few "new" things you get with it, I'm not spending my hard earned C-Store points on it, I'll keep flying my Defiant Refit, I rather buy the DS9 Defiant Interior package. Which also makes my worry what "little" we will get with the "Sovy Refit" when it is release which I also was and everyone waiting for ?
That's my 2 cents on this.

1. The skin isn't bad, but it's not a selling point to me.
2. 3m cooldown isn't ever going to give you good DPS on a Console. But it's burst I don't know how many torps are fired but each is worth around 2k Damage.
3. 1 More Hanger bay than any other Escort in the game. Also it's size is made up of two long pylons. I don't think there is a lot of space in there like a Sovereign would have. Also scale is out in this game.
4. It has the same Hull as any Fed Escort. The 36k was a typo and corrected very quick.

If you don't think it's worth the money don't buy it. Many people have and seem to enjoy it. It did ruin the MVAE for me but.

proteus22 · June 2012

yes . i got it on day one and i loaded it with quad cannons a mr12 dhc and a dual beam bank plus mr 12 quantums rear a rapid fire trans phasic and 2 mrk 12 turrets
2 different point defenses plus a hanger bay with advanced perirines. she is sweat on elite stfs i can solo cubes with her. i recommend her whole heartedly.

biidi · June 2012

Are ANY of the T5 ships worth $25? No. They might have some cool console but that's about it. No console is worth $25. Other than the console, there's little if anything that you can't do with another ship of the same class. So you're paying $25 for a fancy console and a ship costume.

shakesfistatsky · June 2012

She is absolutely worth it. That's all I will say.

carmenara · June 2012

Usually I would say no, not worth it but look at it, its an Akira! It has torpedo PDS. Its a Tier V heavy escort!

And you can easily grind dil in dalies to buy it for cheap!

So get it if you like the Akira realized as the original carrier gunship concept, its fun

rayezilla · June 2012

What I've been telling everyone who asks about buying the HEC is that season 6 is just around the corner, and we're going to be seeing a number of new ships and new retrofits. Waiting until you see all your options is highly advised!

proteus22 · June 2012

well let me put it this way i have been grinding through elites the past month to get complete maco space set mark 12 playing with the armitage on first day i was abole to finish the cure on elite for the first time in a month and on the second day i got the prototype engine tech to complets my maco set the ship i was flying before was the fleet escort. a fun technique is to fly into amass of enemies with a perigrine escort unleash crv 2 and torpedo spread 2 with quantum torps then fire both point defense weapons to due massive damage and as you swing out hit hit with transphasic rapid fire torrps

kirisee · June 2012

its a great ship, lots of options in how you can play it.....worth it? Yep

obiwonko1 · June 2012

I drank the Romulan ale I forked out the dough and bought this ship. I used ship in PVP and PVE. In pvp using the danubes tractor was useful against opponents but it was difficult keeping the pets on task and killing the enemy at the same time. My success in PVP was middling at best. I felt more at home with my MVAE were I usually clean house (having the extra shields and higher level tac boff skill is very useful). As per PVE and when i talk PVE I am talking about the cure, accords, and infected. I usually like running Omega III on all my builds but i had to change that line of thinking and switch to Beta III and Beta II while using 2 scatter shots I. I have to load Beta twice so that my so that the pets can do some potent damage, I have to say I have seen my pets do some nasty damage especially the advanced peregrines unloading micro quantums on hull (ah it makes a daddy proud). I found that in order to facilitate good use out of the extra tac slot i had to load up a torp upfront instead of running a straight DHC/turret build. This took a little getting use to. Switching to Beta and 2 high yields have changed my playing style in stf's a bit but its good. I hear a lot of people say that Flight officers are the way to go maybe this is true for pvp, but in my experience for stfs not so much the 30 second cool down was reasonable and since the borg live forever in stfs anyways and the tiny ships dont die unless the borgs go boom 30 seconds in stfs is reasonable. I use two purple conns, two projectile borg purples, and exocomp/redmatter.. I have to say I do very decent damage with 3x antiproton DHC and 3x rear turrets + Proton torp with 2 high yields.

There are three advantages two major and one minor to the Akira Tier 5:

-The major advantage is the Hanger bay with advanced peregrine fighters it helps you eat gates in sto's and your team mates will love you for the optionals, provided someone kills the probes and you have a science guy spamming gravity well or repulsars (the guys who play control do it so well). The tier 5 Akira eats gates and regular cubes on elite but not tac cubes (those are evil and wrong). The little guys will also help you finish Donatra and assault carrier once you get the hull exposed. .

-Another major advantage the Lt commander engineering gives you a lot of flexibility, I use aux to structural II but you can use aux to battery and recharge your bridge Boffs more quickly with space doffs. Or you can use engineering to increase your damage output it is a choice. Aux to struct II is better with a 15 second reload it give this escort more durability. On to the minor advantage.

-The Tac console they provide is usable and at full range 10k it can do some decent hull damage against gates and anything unshielded in stf's are usually the norm. But the cool down of 3 min which is very frustrating.

-50 extra crew helps a little in theory but really this is so minor that it is just foolish and not included.

Not everything is cool in Akira land however there are three major disadvantages over my free favorite the MVAE: (MVAM is not as good a freebie given at 40 the MVAE)

-The MVAE has three Sci consoles which translates into 1000 more shields through science Field generators . 1000 shields on MACO XII means alot of extra punihment the MVAE can take.

-Perhaps it is just me but the MVAE feels faster I love the 360 power slides i can pull off on it my power slides on the Akira feels more like 270's.

-the extra high ranking tac slot on MVAE meant I could put in Omega III instead of having to sack it for Akira.

-I have to say for the most part I am happy with the Akira. Playing alot of stf's meant i had dilithium to convert and spent $20 instead of $30 on Perfect world. I am happy I bought it.

Sure having to spec in photon torps high yield 1 two times has not been great and would have liked it if the one tac ensign was a science ensign but that would be pushing it. All in all a decent ship and a welcome addition to the escort lineup. Real good for stf's not so sure about pvp's it will add pet spam but it can be killed and it is not the fastest escort on the block, also expect to be a target because peeps hate da-noobes. So not so much for PVP but a solid yes for PVE specifically stf elite content. btw am a tactical officer hope this helps you guys. Could also work well for an engineering officer as well. Science not so sure on this ship.

hakaishinlegion · June 2012

If you want it given straight... the ship is a Fleet Escort with a LTC Engineer (better heals), pets, and a different Tac layout (better, in my opinion).

Great ship. Superior to the Fleet Escort in every way, more versatility than the Defiant with just as much firepower...

Worth $25?

Well that depends. Is $25 a lot of money to you?

If yes, then probably want to save your money.

If not, then go ahead. It's a good ship.

zzomb1 · June 2012

Compared to the other ships in the same price range i think this one fuctions the best.

trhrangerxml · June 2012

It is so much fun and I annoy the living TRIBBLE out of friends in PVP with Advanced Runabouts.

alexraptorr · June 2012

No ship is or ever will be worth $25, which is why i scrape and save the occasional dilithium and my stipend to get what i want.

hakaishinlegion · June 2012

alexraptorr wrote: »

No ship is or ever will be worth $25, which is why i scrape and save the occasional dilithium and my stipend to get what i want.

I could probably dig in my couch and find more than $25... the joys of a good job, with an education. Money isn't really a huge obstacle.

That said, a new toy in my hobby being worth $25? To me, that's nothing. My time in scraping the dilithium is worth more than that.

That, and I don't mind giving Cryptic a few bucks here and there to help them make the game better.

Different people have different priorities I suppose.

zahinder · June 2012

People happily put in 40 hours of work grinding enough dilithium to get $25 of CPs, never stopping to think 'wait, why not, you know, WORK for a few hours instead? Or have a few less lattes?'

Granted, some people have very little, but I think a lot of folks are distracted by the illusion of free money.

spektre12 · June 2012

I love my T5 re-fit, U.S.S. MALINALXOCHITL, NCC-97613

I'm still going to buy the Defiant re-fit just because I want the ship though.

Now all we need is the Saber Class and a T5 Connie. It a shame that I can't fly my STO series Connie in Pvp or battle it out with the Borg.

zahinder · June 2012

One of my big disappointments in STO is that you can't easily use lower tier ships in later tier content, or change skins, or whatever.

For example, I think the golfball sci ship looks awesome. But, well, there's one particular ten-level span and that's it. Sigh.

hakaishinlegion · June 2012

zahinder wrote: »

One of my big disappointments in STO is that you can't easily use lower tier ships in later tier content, or change skins, or whatever.

For example, I think the golfball sci ship looks awesome. But, well, there's one particular ten-level span and that's it. Sigh.

I've seen people go through Elite STFs in shuttles (though admittedly, not completing the bonus). I've completed the entire story campaign on Tribble with a Miranda in white gear lol

It's doable... but the question you've to ask yourself at that point is, "Why the **** am I doing this?"

lol

alexraptorr · June 2012

hakaishinlegion wrote: »

I could probably dig in my couch and find more than $25... the joys of a good job, with an education. Money isn't really a huge obstacle.

That said, a new toy in my hobby being worth $25? To me, that's nothing. My time in scraping the dilithium is worth more than that.

That, and I don't mind giving Cryptic a few bucks here and there to help them make the game better.

Different people have different priorities I suppose.

The thing one needs to consider is that its a "temporary" hobby at best, as STO will not be around forever.
And one day STO will eventually be closed down and one will have nothing to show fo the money one spent.

And honestly, scraping dilithium isnt that time consuming, at least not if one is into STF's.

hakaishinlegion · June 2012

Or I can enjoy my time in game for PvP rather than doing Infected for the 200th time by spending a few dollars that I didn't even really notice were there to begin with.

zahinder · June 2012

hakaishinlegion wrote: »

It's doable... but the question you've to ask yourself at that point is, "Why the **** am I doing this?"

My point was that while gear is obviously handy, in PvP teamwork and skill are OVERWHELMINGLY more important.

hakaishinlegion · June 2012

zahinder wrote: »

My point was that while gear is obviously handy, in PvP teamwork and skill are OVERWHELMINGLY more important.

Oh I know. Was just poking fun.

zahinder · June 2012

It's often hard to tell humor from stupidity around here. Heh. My bad!

ruffled123 · June 2012

I think the ship sucked. Mine was bugged so the fighters would never launch. The PDS also never fired. I ended up getting a full refund from Cryptic because the ship was so effed up.

hakaishinlegion · June 2012

What confuses me is all the idiots claiming the console does no damage. It does equal damage to my ship's Torp Spread 3 (tested them side by side).

It also doesn't share a cooldown, meaning you can fire both simultaneously for a ridiculously OP Torpedo Spread burst.

I took it a step further and added the Nadeon Detonator as well, just for lulz.

Ship performs above expectation.

darkenzedd · June 2012

It is a nice ship, very happy with it.
The ai in this game is TRIBBLE to put it mildly so do not count on them being of any real help. Just think of them as a distraction at best

The console and Lt Cmdr Eng station is worth so much more that I would have bought it even without the hanger bay...

Is the T5 Armitage worth $25 ?

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