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Ok, so let me get this straight (Zen and C-store)
kirksplat
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step 1: Visit the c-store website and find something that you like.
step 2: Click to buy c-points.
Step 3: You are taken to a site where you can buy "Zen."
Step 4: You must grab a calculator to figure out how many Zen points you need to buy, in order to have enough C-points to get the thing that you want. 80 C-points = 100 Zen.
Or you could write it out on paper:
240/80 = x/100 --> DO THE MATH.
Step 5: Try then to buy "Zen" only to hit a brick wall if your PWE account is new. Or, find out that the purchase process for buying "Zen" is broken and/or confusing.
Step 6: Give up trying to give Cryptic any money.
Does that sound about right?
step 2: Click to buy c-points.
Step 3: You are taken to a site where you can buy "Zen."
Step 4: You must grab a calculator to figure out how many Zen points you need to buy, in order to have enough C-points to get the thing that you want. 80 C-points = 100 Zen.
Or you could write it out on paper:
240/80 = x/100 --> DO THE MATH.
Step 5: Try then to buy "Zen" only to hit a brick wall if your PWE account is new. Or, find out that the purchase process for buying "Zen" is broken and/or confusing.
Step 6: Give up trying to give Cryptic any money.
Does that sound about right?
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Now you have to do the hokey pokey with the Perfect World page. So hopefully for Season 6 they will streamline the Zen purchase without having to leave the game.
I hope this is all just a matter of PWE not having completed that part of the migration yet.
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the amount of zen it shows on the website does not reflect what you have in c-points in the game. you can still log into STO and see your current balance of c-points hasn't changed (unless you've spent some or bought more or exchanged, naturally). The Cryptic Store on the STO website also still shows the c-point total you have from in game still.
the zen balance which you're looking at on the account is the generic PWE currency before you assign it to a specific game.
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Zen is the "Master Currency" for Cryptic Games C-points are the "Game Currency". If you buy Zen you then have to change that into C-points (or Gold, or whatever it's called in whatever PWE game you want to put it in). Once it's changed into C-points, it's deducted from Zen, so if you have all your currency in a usable format in a game, you will have no Zen balance.
Zen is only for changing real money into currency A so you can then change that to Currency B,C,D,E etc.
They have an extra step so you pay and pull from one source for all games you play. But you have to actually assign it (in a one way process) to the game you want to spend it on.
Yes, I always found this system to be utterly useless.
So the master currency isn't even a master currency at all? It's an annoying extra step?
To put it mildly, yeah. Its hard to imagine a bigger PR stink waiting to happen than everyone losing their points all at once.
I feel bad for Cryptic in all of this. It's not like they can say no if PWE wants to migrate all of the old web tech and space bucks over to their system, but it's Cryptic's staff and their game that will take a lot of hits if anything goes wrong in that process.
If you get dilithium or questionite > CP, that CP is per game.
So... with Zen > CP... is it game specific or not?
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Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
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kinda like how we used to be able to just buy cryptic points that were shared between STO and Champs Online? yeah, I miss that.
On the bright side, this change does let people use store-purchased PWE Zen cards to get cryptic points, but to me, that doesn't do a lot to make up for their incredibly cumbersome system. I don't like that I have to go through yet another third party to buy zen if I want to just use my credit card online. PWE just redirects you to other services to sign on with to do that. It was so much easier when I could just hit the button in game and cryptic used what they already had on file to charge me and give me my points.
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Join Date: January 2011
my stipends from CO and STO were always locked to just that game, but c-points/atari tokens that I bought separately were shared between the two.
as for zen to CP, unless they change something, that has been game specific only for a few months now.
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Join Date: January 2011
Exactly! I guess they hope you'll dump all your zen into a game then decide to buy more for another game since it's not shared between games.
Unfortunately, the Zen system works just like it does now. PWI has it's own currency, FW has it's own currency etc, every single one of them has to convert from Zen to game currency before you can use it.
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Well thats not entirely accurate. For instance, War of the Immortals, Blacklight Retribution, Rusty Hearts and Battle of the Immortals all have a 1 Zen = 1 Zen conversion, and Zen is their ingame currency (not just PW master).
So if cstore prices were to change to zen, I think that would be clearer for a lot of people - the only downside may be the perceived (and inaccurate) increase in prices for items in the store. Perhaps they don't want to rock the boat to that extent - at least for the moment.
And regarding the purchasing of Zen, you actually will often get more CP, simply because with Zen, there's always a bonus amount of Zen on certain denominations. And if you buy smaller amounts, you at least aren't getting any less than what you would have before.
You still have all your c-points just log into the game and look and then quit spreading this alarmist nonsense.
EDIT sorry hit the wrong post. This new site is going to take some time getting used too
this was the post i was responding to.
er, say what?
Oh, looks like it
Alright, after I left PWI I had no intention of messing with any other PWE games so I have not even bothered (and never will) to look at the newer ones. Unfortunately, they followed me and bought out the game I tried to escape to.
Sneaky TRIBBLE.
I know everyone hates PWE, but now that I think about it, at least it wasn't NEXON.
Perhaps this would be an excellent time to reduce all prices by 20% and make that changeover since, you know, the prices have always been ridiculous and in most cases got mind-****ingly absurd after F2P.
I opened up my cryptic store, and the 1200 or so CP I had downloaded itself into my computer and uplifted it to sentience!
It took me 15 minutes to beat back the computer and it's arsenal of monitor-fired lasers, whip-like headphone attacks, and electrical discharges.
This is outrageous!
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
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The whole point of 80 C-Points for $1 is to make things on the store seem cheaper. That doesn't happen anymore and it also has the side effect of making the stipend and currency bought via dilithium register as less. What value there was in the 80 for $1 setup gets lost with us purchasing ZEN first.
My pet theory is that we'll see a 1:1 ZEN currency adopted. It doesn't have to be called ZEN and doesn't have to be called C-Points... and given how point sales are now per game, I figure it will have its own Trek and Champions names.
My guess is they'll just flat out call them Trek Points. 100 for a dollar. And convert C-Points over to it. With stipends awarding 500 Trek Points a month and 500 Hero Points in Champions.
Actually, it goes more something like this:
Step 1: Visit the c-store website and find something that you like.
Step 2: Click to buy c-points.
Step 3: You are taken to a site where you can buy Zen.
Step 4: Use math to figure out how much zen to buy, then transfer a set amount that is too low to buy what you want, then transfer a smaller amount so that you have enough Cryptic points without going over and having extra cryptic points just sitting there doing nothing.
Step 5: Try then to buy Zen or earn it with surveys and watching videos, taking anywhere between 15 and 30 minutes.
Step 5a: Repeat until you have enough zen, avoiding surveys and offers that give you a chance to win a $1000 gift card (trust me, avoid these).
Step 5b: Log into your games and trade dilithium (or questionite if you are playing CO) for extra cryptic points
Step 6: Buy what you want, and if you traded dilithium/quesitonite for cryptic points and/or earned zen through surveys, offers, and/or videos, revel in the fact that you bought something from the cash shop without spending any cash.
C-Points are/will soon be, no more...
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