hmm... destroying carriers is one of my favourite pasttime. Just takes a cloaked ship and a serious alphastrike. Most of them are to busy hearding their pets to notice the treath I represent before it's too late.
(I'm sure a carrier piloted by a serious player can be almost impossible to kill, but 9 out of 10 carriers fold like a house of cards)
I hope the reworked reward system will implement some serious PVP gear. If it is only to get more credits than the other one in the team, then you can keep it.
Without a token system (like it allready existed) and high end gear for it, what good are the statistics anyway.
In other words...i had 15 killing blows in a single game, can i get more than a picture?
But it definitely is a step forward, and GZ to that!:)
Question what good are these weekly PVP updates if Gozer is not going to participate in discussion with us here on the PVP sub-forum?
I mean, it is great and all that he is sort of keeping us in the loop with regard to what is going on or what is not going on however, how the hell does that help the community or even the Cryptic Team understand what the community really wants or expects out of the PVP overhaul verses what Cryptic Studios is able to do realistically?
How is he going to address our concerns, aspirations, question et-all when he isnt to be found in dialog with us here on the PVP sub-forums?
IDK Im just one more disgruntled customer and maybe am out of line in my thinking. Guys am I wrong here?
Question what good are these weekly PVP updates if Gozer is not going to participate in discussion with us here on the PVP sub-forum?
I mean, it is great and all that he is sort of keeping us in the loop with regard to what is going on or what is not going on however, how the hell does that help the community or even the Cryptic Team understand what the community really wants or expects out of the PVP overhaul verses what Cryptic Studios is able to do realistically?
How is he going to address our concerns, aspirations, question et-all when he isnt to be found in dialog with us here on the PVP sub-forums?
IDK Im just one more disgruntled customer and maybe am out of line in my thinking. Guys am I wrong here?
Just a quick note...
I'm not sure what you expect here. I've seen a couple of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. I read every post on these weekly threads. I don't have time to reply to every post on the thread.
For the next few weeks / months I won't be talking about specifics with PvP. It's too early in the process to talk about specific features. When we get to that point I'll be more active in the conversations, but we are not even close to being there yet.
If you want me to stop doing weekly updates just let me know. You guys have two choices here.
A. I can continue to post a weekly thread even if there isn't much to really talk about. (What I've been doing the last few weeks)
Or
B. I can wait until i have several things to discuss and I need feedback from the community. ( This is what I did with STF's and I was much more active in those larger threads.)
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
Anyone with half a brain would take option A, with a caveat. The problem with option A is that if you give any detailed information and end up cancelling it, it will come back and bite you in the ***. This always happens, regardless of the company. Cryptic's promises of open beta and scoreboards long ago that weren't delivered really ****ed the community off.
Gozer, I commend your refreshing frankness. I would much rather take Option B because that is a better way for all of us to spend our precious time. If people have enough time to complain, they aint busy enough and should be busier than what they are.
I don't know...
I find content-less Dev posts irritating. But on the other hand seeing at least some positive PvP related activity by the Devs is good for the PvPer Soul. And at least the initial post spurned some interesting discussions by the community.
Maybe you should put in some "leading questions" in each weekly. Even if you don't really need the answers yet. (Half of us will assume that anyway. And the other half will assume that half the time .)
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
I am more than happy to see weekly updates until stuff is nailed down. i look forward to reading the updates even if if they dont always have much info for that week in general. i know you will become more communicative as the system takes shape.
I'm not sure what you expect here. I've seen a couple of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. I read every post on these weekly threads. I don't have time to reply to every post on the thread.
For the next few weeks / months I won't be talking about specifics with PvP. It's too early in the process to talk about specific features. When we get to that point I'll be more active in the conversations, but we are not even close to being there yet.
If you want me to stop doing weekly updates just let me know. You guys have two choices here.
A. I can continue to post a weekly thread even if there isn't much to really talk about. (What I've been doing the last few weeks)
Or
B. I can wait until i have several things to discuss and I need feedback from the community. ( This is what I did with STF's and I was much more active in those larger threads.)
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
Option A all the way. I'll take knowing what's going on over just sitting and hoping for news any day.
Thanks for taking the time to do the updates; they are appreciated.
Can we atleast know about the exciting inter-cryptic pvp matches fought over who gets the last soda in the fridge? That would be a great pvp update!
My personal suggestion is go with what you feel most comfortable with, I think the weekly thing would give us more focused threads on the matter at hand, and less likely to have an issue overlooked because its packed with other issues.
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
Are you going to be taking a poll or what? You are replying to 1 person's post as if that person speaks for the community. They dont.
I'm not sure what you expect here. I've seen a couple of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. I read every post on these weekly threads. I don't have time to reply to every post on the thread.
For the next few weeks / months I won't be talking about specifics with PvP. It's too early in the process to talk about specific features. When we get to that point I'll be more active in the conversations, but we are not even close to being there yet.
If you want me to stop doing weekly updates just let me know. You guys have two choices here.
A. I can continue to post a weekly thread even if there isn't much to really talk about. (What I've been doing the last few weeks)
Or
B. I can wait until i have several things to discuss and I need feedback from the community. ( This is what I did with STF's and I was much more active in those larger threads.)
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
I prefer weekly updates even if there is no change in current status.
Speaking from experience as both a customer and customer service provider (as well as a project manager), I always prefer knowing what is currently going on, on a regular basis, and conveying that to my customers or dependencies, so that everyone knows exactly what to expect and when to expect it. This cuts down on surprises and makes timelines much easier to set, stick to, and modify when needed.
Remember, it's all about expectation-setting and re-setting. Regular real-time transparency, coupled with blunt honesty, is the best way to achieve that.
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To the others who question Gozer / Cryptic's lack of engagement in discussions,
I don't think it's reasonable to expect the service providers to be able to read and respond to every single post or thread. I do expect them to create, enforce, and constantly refine a mechanism for gathering, reviewing, and synthesizing the feedback they need in a holistic or 'majority' way, and then present that synthesis to the community for consumption and further feedback.
In this way, I expect a weekly or monthly synthesis of our feedback stating XYZ, and then I would expect (for example) a poll asking if we (the customers) agree that this is mostly true. Regardless of the poll results -- as the sample size may be too small -- I would expect Cryptic to exercise its judgment and experience to determine whether or not that feedback is accurate, and then revise their synthesis for the next week or month. Repeat.
I see Gozer's weekly update as one step toward this regular transparency / synthesis report.
I'm not sure what you expect here. I've seen a couple of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. I read every post on these weekly threads. I don't have time to reply to every post on the thread.
For the next few weeks / months I won't be talking about specifics with PvP. It's too early in the process to talk about specific features. When we get to that point I'll be more active in the conversations, but we are not even close to being there yet.
If you want me to stop doing weekly updates just let me know. You guys have two choices here.
A. I can continue to post a weekly thread even if there isn't much to really talk about. (What I've been doing the last few weeks)
Or
B. I can wait until i have several things to discuss and I need feedback from the community. ( This is what I did with STF's and I was much more active in those larger threads.)
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
First, thank you for being so blunt. It is refreshing! Secondly, Im not one for ultimatums. So I always choose option C.
I suppose what I expected from these weekly updates was perhaps more than just you dropping a single post detailing what is or what isnt going on. You know? I mean, if the PVP changes coming are simply going to be whatever you guys at Cryptic dictate to us with regard to features, game modes and etc. Than just go with option A and Ill sit here on my PC, maybe read it, and probably not be all that interested as the mark is missed.
Now, if the coming changes are going to be community inspired changes with regard to the limitations of resources and capability of the Cryptic Team. I think both option A and a small amount of option B are in order. But so far, I havent seen you post anything indicating that the communitys desires for features in PVP are going to be met whatsoever. Sort of like the account wide bank failure to meet expectations of functionality.
Anyway, not everyone agrees with my position, which is fine. I just wonder however how many do.
Yes, fairly gauging metrics for crowd control builds can be very difficult. One way to address this may be separating the participation rewards by "typical" ship role - so a Science Vessel doesn't have to compete with an Escort, for example, but only either with other SVs on the team, or with the model expectations.
Gauging participation is as simple as a count of how many (non-you) targets are affected. If you're firing on someone... you're interacting. If you're healing someone, you're interacting. If you're dragging a ship via Gravity Well you're interacting.
So crowd control, energy drains, system shutdowns, jammed signals, etc, etc, etc, are all helping to show that a player is actually engaged.
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Without a token system (like it allready existed) and high end gear for it, what good are the statistics anyway.
In other words...i had 15 killing blows in a single game, can i get more than a picture?
But it definitely is a step forward, and GZ to that!:)
Hope to see it soon on tribble.
I mean, it is great and all that he is sort of keeping us in the loop with regard to what is going on or what is not going on however, how the hell does that help the community or even the Cryptic Team understand what the community really wants or expects out of the PVP overhaul verses what Cryptic Studios is able to do realistically?
How is he going to address our concerns, aspirations, question et-all when he isnt to be found in dialog with us here on the PVP sub-forums?
IDK Im just one more disgruntled customer and maybe am out of line in my thinking. Guys am I wrong here?
Just a quick note...
I'm not sure what you expect here. I've seen a couple of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. I read every post on these weekly threads. I don't have time to reply to every post on the thread.
For the next few weeks / months I won't be talking about specifics with PvP. It's too early in the process to talk about specific features. When we get to that point I'll be more active in the conversations, but we are not even close to being there yet.
If you want me to stop doing weekly updates just let me know. You guys have two choices here.
A. I can continue to post a weekly thread even if there isn't much to really talk about. (What I've been doing the last few weeks)
Or
B. I can wait until i have several things to discuss and I need feedback from the community. ( This is what I did with STF's and I was much more active in those larger threads.)
The choice is up to you guys... I can do it either way, so let me know. There is however no Option C, D, E, etc. A and B are your two options. I don't have time for anything else since I have to actually spend the majority of my time actually creating the new features not talking about them.
I find content-less Dev posts irritating. But on the other hand seeing at least some positive PvP related activity by the Devs is good for the PvPer Soul. And at least the initial post spurned some interesting discussions by the community.
Maybe you should put in some "leading questions" in each weekly. Even if you don't really need the answers yet. (Half of us will assume that anyway. And the other half will assume that half the time
I am more than happy to see weekly updates until stuff is nailed down. i look forward to reading the updates even if if they dont always have much info for that week in general. i know you will become more communicative as the system takes shape.
Option A all the way. I'll take knowing what's going on over just sitting and hoping for news any day.
Thanks for taking the time to do the updates; they are appreciated.
My personal suggestion is go with what you feel most comfortable with, I think the weekly thing would give us more focused threads on the matter at hand, and less likely to have an issue overlooked because its packed with other issues.
Are you going to be taking a poll or what? You are replying to 1 person's post as if that person speaks for the community. They dont.
Always like your assumption posts that point out the obvious. He might have quoted one person, but he said 'you guys' obviously meaning the community.
/sigh
I'm really sick of this whole mythical "community voice representative" nonsense. It's very dillusional.
My pleasure
I just need to hear the sound of your voice.
jk.
I prefer weekly updates even if there is no change in current status.
Speaking from experience as both a customer and customer service provider (as well as a project manager), I always prefer knowing what is currently going on, on a regular basis, and conveying that to my customers or dependencies, so that everyone knows exactly what to expect and when to expect it. This cuts down on surprises and makes timelines much easier to set, stick to, and modify when needed.
Remember, it's all about expectation-setting and re-setting. Regular real-time transparency, coupled with blunt honesty, is the best way to achieve that.
===
To the others who question Gozer / Cryptic's lack of engagement in discussions,
I don't think it's reasonable to expect the service providers to be able to read and respond to every single post or thread. I do expect them to create, enforce, and constantly refine a mechanism for gathering, reviewing, and synthesizing the feedback they need in a holistic or 'majority' way, and then present that synthesis to the community for consumption and further feedback.
In this way, I expect a weekly or monthly synthesis of our feedback stating XYZ, and then I would expect (for example) a poll asking if we (the customers) agree that this is mostly true. Regardless of the poll results -- as the sample size may be too small -- I would expect Cryptic to exercise its judgment and experience to determine whether or not that feedback is accurate, and then revise their synthesis for the next week or month. Repeat.
I see Gozer's weekly update as one step toward this regular transparency / synthesis report.
First, thank you for being so blunt. It is refreshing! Secondly, Im not one for ultimatums. So I always choose option C.
I suppose what I expected from these weekly updates was perhaps more than just you dropping a single post detailing what is or what isnt going on. You know? I mean, if the PVP changes coming are simply going to be whatever you guys at Cryptic dictate to us with regard to features, game modes and etc. Than just go with option A and Ill sit here on my PC, maybe read it, and probably not be all that interested as the mark is missed.
Now, if the coming changes are going to be community inspired changes with regard to the limitations of resources and capability of the Cryptic Team. I think both option A and a small amount of option B are in order. But so far, I havent seen you post anything indicating that the communitys desires for features in PVP are going to be met whatsoever. Sort of like the account wide bank failure to meet expectations of functionality.
Anyway, not everyone agrees with my position, which is fine. I just wonder however how many do.
Gauging participation is as simple as a count of how many (non-you) targets are affected. If you're firing on someone... you're interacting. If you're healing someone, you're interacting. If you're dragging a ship via Gravity Well you're interacting.
So crowd control, energy drains, system shutdowns, jammed signals, etc, etc, etc, are all helping to show that a player is actually engaged.
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