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The Oddessey: The Devs once again saying that if you don't use Cruisers, you suck
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Once again, I am dissappointed in the Devs. I have been with the game since Beta and Launch, and I stick with it today, despite numerous previous dissappointments. Some people, including my friends, even urged me to cancel my sub, which I was not going to do. But this is not about me, this is about the fact that for the billionth time since launch, the Devs have proved that unless the community gets down on it's knees and begs, it's perfectly fine never touching the Escort and Science Vessel classes again.
"But Spartan, there are so many advanced Sci vessels and Escorts, and THEY were made by the devs!"
You're half-right. The newer Sci-vessels were made for 2 reasons: 1, people wanted historic ship classes that weren't in the game, and 2, Fed players wanted a ship that could more easily counter Klingon cloaking.
But on the Escort side of things, the Devs have NEVER made ANY updates to the ship class, or added new ships in general, unless we BEGGED for it. The Retrofit Defiant was a kick in the pants at best. And the Multi-Vector Assault Escort would never had existed, had there not been a massive argument over a Federation battleship-type vessel to counter Klingon Dreds that was threatning to rip the community to shreds.
Case in point, I think that the Devs have been BLATANTLY NEGLECTING the Science Vessel and Escort class ships, and as of yet, there seems to be no remedy. The current Fed flagship-class vessel is firmly in the Cruiser Class, rather than being the first fully or half universal ship in the Federation classes that was NOT a Shuttle. This leaves Escort and Sci Vessel captains by the wayside with no means of catching up to Cruiser captains.
SUMMATION: IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE DEVELOPERS OF THE GAME, HENCEFORTH KNOWN AS "STAR TREK ONLINE", SHOULD EITHER MODIFY THE ODDESSY CLASS TO BE MORE EASILY UTILIZED BY NON-CRUISER CAPTAINS, OR SHOULD IMMEDIATLY BEFORE THE RELEASE OF ANY OTHER CONTENT, DEVELOP A SIMILARLY RANKED ESCORT AND SCI VESSEL.
Comments most certainly welcome.
"But Spartan, there are so many advanced Sci vessels and Escorts, and THEY were made by the devs!"
You're half-right. The newer Sci-vessels were made for 2 reasons: 1, people wanted historic ship classes that weren't in the game, and 2, Fed players wanted a ship that could more easily counter Klingon cloaking.
But on the Escort side of things, the Devs have NEVER made ANY updates to the ship class, or added new ships in general, unless we BEGGED for it. The Retrofit Defiant was a kick in the pants at best. And the Multi-Vector Assault Escort would never had existed, had there not been a massive argument over a Federation battleship-type vessel to counter Klingon Dreds that was threatning to rip the community to shreds.
Case in point, I think that the Devs have been BLATANTLY NEGLECTING the Science Vessel and Escort class ships, and as of yet, there seems to be no remedy. The current Fed flagship-class vessel is firmly in the Cruiser Class, rather than being the first fully or half universal ship in the Federation classes that was NOT a Shuttle. This leaves Escort and Sci Vessel captains by the wayside with no means of catching up to Cruiser captains.
SUMMATION: IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE DEVELOPERS OF THE GAME, HENCEFORTH KNOWN AS "STAR TREK ONLINE", SHOULD EITHER MODIFY THE ODDESSY CLASS TO BE MORE EASILY UTILIZED BY NON-CRUISER CAPTAINS, OR SHOULD IMMEDIATLY BEFORE THE RELEASE OF ANY OTHER CONTENT, DEVELOP A SIMILARLY RANKED ESCORT AND SCI VESSEL.
Comments most certainly welcome.
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Now that we have this monster of a cruiser perhaps the Devs can give us some fancy VA Escorts and Science vessels that ARE NOT Refits?
Wow. The most conceited thing I've heard in a while.
Sci ships do need some love, I admit that. Sci has been the ******* child of STO for a while.
But Escorts? Wow...
WTB people who aren't lobbying to OP their own professions at everyone else's expense. PST offer, paying well.
I flew Escorts for a long, long time. They were so ROFL stupid easy that my five year old son was scoring PvP kills while I watched a movie with my wife.
I wanted something that took... well, a brain... to fly. So I picked the one ship everyone laughs at, and turned it into a monster.
This whining is rather entertaining, however, I do have to admit. I suppose I'll break out the popcorn and let this continue for a while in silence.
They're sick and tired of cruisers getting all the hulls, instead of Escorts and Sci ships, which do need more to beef them up to the end-game selection that cruisers have.
Speaking of conceited.. :P
I don't think the OP's post was about the Escort ships being underpowered at any rate. It was about flavor.. and I taste a whooole lot of Cruiser in this soup. There are exactly 0 new and interesting Escort ships at endgame, and only 1 new and interesting Science ship at endgame (Vulcan ship). All they have are refits... damn refits.
I'm not entirely certain I'm the one who is missing the point.
You just got the Jem'Hadar ship. You have the MVAE (arguably the most "flavored" ship in game). Fleet Escort. Defiant Retro (though not an end-game exclusive skin).
Hard for a wolf to call fowl to a sheep.
The current verison of the Escorts (speaking from a TAct view), now function better than the prevoius skill sets that were around.
I tested my DR just last night, on ELite mode in Enemy space, by itself it took on a Mirror Fed Universe Battle group, and it handled well against them...leaving behind much space dust in its wake.
Now as for the hull increasement or the like...if given to Escorts, they will no longer qualify in that weight class, they will drop in speed and manuvers if that be the case. And that is just one example. That will push them to Light Cruiser level, and some features (like certain wpns) will not be able to be used in that case.
Considering the moronic method of obtaining a Jem'Hadar ship I did not include it. The MVAE though was just okay. More of just a copy pasted Advanced Escort with a higher tier Science slot and a console (of which we have plenty now, in many different varieties). Not a lot of flavor there, especially visual flavor which is my main point in all of this. Fleet Escort is not a new ship class, and the Defiant is a refit (See previous post for aforementioned disdain).
Also speaking objectively here. Not turning this into a Cruisers VS Escorts debate (especially since I shared a common concern for Science vessels), so you may lower that accusing finger.
Im sure they know it needs to be done but they have to run everything they do by CBS and im sure that adds alot of time to certain projects that other companies would be able to toss out faster.
So here is my opinion about this.
The Odyssey has been in design for over a year+ now. While I understand the OP's position, I gotta agree the Enterprise has always been a cruiser type ship. Starting with the NX (which yes could be somewhat argued but that's for another debate
So no, it couldn't of gone from a sovereign class cruiser to.. an escort. That'd make no sense.
As with everything else, I just don't agree. New ships take time to be built, to get approved, to get slotted and stats figured, to get into QA and so on. Everything takes time and I'm sure more sci/escort ships will come
The Enterprise has always been a cruiser. It always will be a cruiser. The Odyssey class is the new Enterprise.
I'm not entirely sure why an attack on what has, for 45 years of Star Trek, been a cruiser is warranted here. And frankly, the suggestion that the Odyssey is less than useful for other careers outside of Escorts is... well. Odd.
This is, with the exception of Klingon Birds of Prey, the first and only ship in this game to ever receive a Lieutenant Commander Universal bridge officer station. It then throws in an Ensign Universal for kicks.
That is a potential 6 Tactical or Science powers from Ensign to Lieutenant Commander. If I count up the Science stations on the Recon Science Vessel, I still come to only 6 stations... And this ship still has a Commander level Engineer on top of that.
It's nonsense to suggest this ship isn't useful by all three careers. I've spent a good deal of this afternoon going over possible builds for my Tactical and Science captains, and some of them are downright terrifying.
Last, friendly point and pleading request... Please don't type in all caps. It makes my eyes bleed, and there are more elegant ways of getting attention.
True! All previous Flagships where Cruisers so it is only logical to have a lot of them in the game. But I agree that it would be good if there would be some more escorts and sci vessels included. Just for the diversity!
But I really like the Qdyssey like it is. I'm just curious to see how different the future variants of the Odyssey will be.
Right now, for PVE, Escorts rule.
Sci ships are indeed a bit of a ******* stepchild, but I'd rather fly one than a cruiser at this point. Hell, if I'm in an STF, all I want to see are Escorts and Sci ships from feds, if you are flying a cruiser its pretty obvious you won't be of much help.
But with the Odyssey... I see LOTS of potential for fun, much like a Bird of Prey. But sadly without the cloak and without the dual cannons
Turn radius is gonna suck, but thats OK, at least it can have some useful skill layouts for a change.
Enterprise has ALWAYS been a Cruiser, and there is no reason that should suddenly change.
I am a Cruiser pilot but I do think you have missed the point of the post...although how does one obtain the Jem'hadar ship?
The new vessel is 'FREE' The MVAE and Defiant Retro you have to pay actual cash for. I am thinking on balance it would be good that the developers release a Science vessel and Escort as a freebie next time around.
You've got a new ship, and you're free to fly it in PvE with no detrimental effects on you.
For PvP...
LoL at cruiser fleets trying to pvp
Cruisers work fine in PvP as well.
12th vs Angry Clowns
Hakaishin No-Tractor Montage
12th vs Random ROFL Pugs
And to be fair, Odyssey (while definitely not recommended for Tacs) would make an amazing PvP healer.
yeah that flew over your head. as an escort pilot, id like to see some new variations at end game. i like the odyssey and think its looks cool, but i do think that there needs to be some newer escorts. there is no whining about this- its just a simple fact- escorts need some visual love:p
ST being a cruiser centric IP is very true- a T5 akira would be nice, as it would be more of a smaller cruiser type escort focused on fighting- i think as escorts go, that could probably be the way. larger than the small escorts but a bit beefier. i just wish escorts got some visual loving like the cruisers. sci ships need that love too:p
Gah, sorry, this is really off-topic actually, but STO's actually quite a bit more diverse.
If you showed up for a fleet in EVE without a battleship, HAC, Stealth Bomber, or whatever was doctrinal for that particular group, fleet command would send you home with a pink slip telling your corporation you were a disgrace to the alliance. Seriously.
WE DID?!?
/lol
* Red emphasis added by me.
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We have had no new Escort hulls since the game launched. The Prometheus and Defiants were all ships that existed at game launch. There is no amped up Fleet Escort type ship with an Engineering slant like the Excelsior is for Cruisers.
While I do not believe that the Odyssey should be a cruiser, I think that they need to take a serious look at providing Escorts in game, just like they have provided Cruisers and Science ships. I have been stuck in the same Fleet Escort since April 2009.
I'm not saying you're right to want brand new science and tactical ships - I would be happy to see them myself, especially a new science class.
But this is the Enterprise we're talking about. The flagship of a Starfleet that, despite current appearances, is devoted more to exploration and humanitarian efforts than conquest. To me, the Odyssey-class, and the Bortas-class, for that matter, are both exactly what they should be - epitomes of their individual cultures' goals. The Federation on helping others and on defense, and the Empire on making stuff go boom.
Sure, one Odyssey may have a hard time taking on a solo Bortas. I'm willing to admit that possibility. But, to go along with the example of EVE Online that was brought up upthread, not everyone has to - or indeed should - be bringing a ship-of-the-line for a fleet fight. You need support, logistics, scouts... and in my mind, the point at which the Odyssey will excel for you PVP types may well end up being in that support/logistics role. It ain't glamorous as flying a glass-cannon Defiant on suicide run after suicide run, but it's just as important.
Insofar as PVE goes, I look forward to bringing this ship up against Borg. I suspect it will cause many of them to go "kaboom" and keeping my allies alive just that much longer.
Let's have a race. Take your Odyssey against an STF Elite Cube and I'll take my dreadnought.
I'll place money I'll live just as long, and deal >3x your overall damage.
My current wager is 25mil. Take me up on that?
Not really, mostly because I don't have 25 million ECs across all my characters.
Perhaps I should mention that I'm not overly concerned about min-maxing my characters, being the most efficient, or anything. I do what works for me, and, in STO, RP is also something I consider. That's my playstyle. It's just as valid as any other.
If you disagree with it, you disagree with it. Which is fine. Chances are you'll never see me outside these boards. You fly your way, I'll fly mine, and we'll agree to disagree like adults on this.