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I, like many others, have been wondering, should there be a Kelvin-type add-on in the C-Store? It should, if it is approved, be added under the Lieutenant Commander series of ships, as it basically fits with all the other LC escorts (Constitution, Excalibur, Vesper). So what do you say? Kelvin-type, or more Galaxy refits? Comment!
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Which means getting its license will be.. difficult.
While the Kelvin-Type cannot be used, I don't see why not there couldn't be new ships using the Kelvin configuration.
For example, HERE is one ship that I quickly drew up a few months ago of a Kelvin-type that probably could make it's way into STO as a Light Cruiser. And providing CBS agrees, surely Cryptic could add in the Saladin and Hermes-types which was shown on screen in the early Trek movies, which is only one pylon away from the Kelvin-type.
My suggestion would be to make the Nebula Venture-style Variant a Kelvin-type configuration.
I mean, it's still just a saucer with nacelles glued on. People will recognize what it is. But the visual customization would be nice.
If I recall Kelvin is in an alternative univerese? Also doesn't pass gene rodonbary's design laws. Dont relly see it working (Connies are refited....) If so then a T2 Connie skin
Actually, it's better to suggest the Freedom-class than the Nebula. Because the Freedom is a Galaxy-saucer with 1 Nacelle. Cryptic could introduce a Freedom Varient that includes the secondary hull on top. And presto, Kevlin-configuration Galaxy.
Remember the timeline was the same up until the Kelvin encountered the Narada, then from there history diverged between the Prime (Roddenbery) Universe and the Alternate (JJ) Universe. So the Kelvin-type technically exists in this timeline.
But don't say it violates the the Roddenberry Rules when we have the Saladin-class and the Hermes-class. And the Kelvin can be easily regarded as Saladin Varient with it being the same configuration, except adding a secondary hull to a dorsal pylon. Which could explain the close ship registeries of the Saladin being NCC-500 and the Kelvin being NCC-514.
As for it being in STO, having another playable older ship is up to Cryptic. Rather see some ships just be regular NPCs or using the Kelvin-configuration with newer ships.
Why is it so hard for people to get it though their heads that someone else owns the rights? It is a different license folks, pay attention.
If I remember right the Sovereign class is a movies ship (Paramount) and yet used in this game.
Funny thing is Pocket Books, the publishers of all ST novels (movie or TV series) is owned by CBS. Paramount owns all rights to movies, while CBS owns the core franchise.
The best part is all of the above is owned by ONE company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumner_Redstone
Saying this owns that, and won't work with the other is wrong, they have, they could and in the end it's all the same company trying to make money. Not impossible, just a lot of cooks in a kitchen.....:rolleyes:
See above, pay attention.
It was also used in the shows, which has always been a loophole for Star Trek licensees. (Such as when Decipher did the card game and didn't have TOS or movies rights for a long time but Trials and Tribble-ations and Voyager's Flashback let them use a lot of TOS elements, Sulu, and the actual Excelsior.)
Second, the digging I'd done suggested that Paramount shifted rights to TMP through Nemesis over to CBS since the game has launched but is clutching onto the 2009 movie and everything going forward.
I can't think of a single series that showed a Sovereign. Not to mention using examples of the games, brings up far older games (pre-card or even computer) that allowed single nacelle ships. Canon is such a funny thing.
Dig more, distribution is a whole different game. Nothing has changed since this game (or any other ST game) has launched.
The rights for STO were given out before CBS and Paramount effectively split into two companies.
Hence Cryptic can use everything that was in the first 10 movies, but not the 11th.
Dstahl also said as much.
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http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3013244&postcount=103
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And that it's not that easy with Pocket Books and their stuff became blatantly obvious with the Vesta, which is still in legal limbo.
The timeline changed well before Nero appeared, mostly likely the branching point happened in the pre-Federation years due to the Temporal Cold War. The prime time line Starfleet progressed in the way we saw in TOS up to Next Gen/DS9/Voyager, while the branching point led to Starfleet developing in a very different way when considering the weapon, uniform and general technology differences.
Nero's appearance only strengthened those differences and kept the branching point going even farther than it did for the prime time line where Nero never appeared, the Kelvin wasn't destroyed and the pre-Federation years resulted in the Federation that we have seen from the prime time line.
Weren't there old designs of TOS ships in the Kelvin design? I'm sure I can recall seeing a few in old Trek tech books.
Laurentian system (where we do Klingon Scout Force) thats from the Alt universe but never seen in the Prime one
Since it's based on an actual name that exists outside that movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentian
there is probably no difficulty with it.
Well, the name of a system that the JJ-enterprise never actually got to, and therefore we never got to see is not the same thing as models and costumes and sets which are unique to the JJ-verse. Also, it is logical to assume that there is a Laurentian System in the prime universe as well as in the JJ-verse.
Now had we actually SEEN the Laurentian System in the movie, then its STO counterpart would have to look different, using unique art assets that bear no direct resemblance to those used in ST '09. It's similar to how they can have the CHARACTERS from the show or movies represented in STO, but may not use the likeness of the actors. One of the reasons why so few canon characters are seen in the game. If it doesn't look like Patrick Stewart, then as far as I am concerned, it wouldn't be Picard.
STO has had a hard enough time trying to resemble Star Trek as it is. It does not need to compound the problem with characters that cannot resemble their true likenesses. The inclusion of Bones and Scotty in the Devidian FE series, thought they do not resemble Deforest Kelly or James Doohan, sort of lets their characters continue to live on in STO in spite of the fact that the actors are no longer with us.
Anyway... Any tangibles presented in Trek '09 require licensing from Paramount by CBS before Cryptic can use it. That's just how it is.
Maybe even the mission complete reward of a flip phaser or EmoKirk's autograph with an apple.
If I'd had to guess, I'd say that the biggest timeline change happened in Star Trek: First Contact when the crew of the USS Enterprise failed to clear out the Borg sphere debris from its crash site.
Someone could've found the debris (earlier than seen in the Star Trek Enterprise episode Regeneration) and reverse-engineered it, causing the technological advancements seen in Star Trek Enterprise, which eventually culminated in the even more advanced looking USS Kelvin as seen in the 2009 Star Trek movie.
That said, I'd love to see a Kelvin-styled ship in STO.
http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/freedom.htm
Intellectual property of Interplay.
Before you wag your finger and tell others to pay attention, you should make sure you have all of the information. (Hint: you don't)
While the same family are majority owners of the 2 companies, they were nonetheless completely separate entities. They are "siblings" in the loosest sense, but they are not interchangeable.
In fact, while Paramount owns the movie rights, they STILL have to have a license agreement with CBS to continue to distribute them, in the same way Cryptic owns STO but must license "Star Trek" from CBS.
Cryptic owns any unique characters or ships they create as their own property, and if say... Pocketbooks would want to use one for a book, they would have to get Cryptic's permission. They must do the same to use any movie-only properties.
Paramount gets money for each time CBS used a movie-item of theirs on a TV series.
Anyway, in direct relation to STO; They made an agreement early on that allowed access to the current (at that time) Paramount Trek properties, which is why we have the Sovereign (and those newer Romulan ships from Nemesis.)
The agreement went way back, before Star Trek 2009 was in production, and it was NOT INCLUDED IN THE AGREEMENT.
Cryptic was planning on adding some JJ-Verse tie-in items, like their version of the TOS uniforms (which are ingame on NPCs) but Paramount DECLINED to give them permission.
Why? Paramount publishes their own Star Trek games
So if a current CBS/Trek licensee asks for something from the 1st 10 movies, they'll probably get it, Paramount holds those to make royalties, so the more licensed goods the better.
However the 2009 "series" is their thing now, they guard that propety and don't let others play with it much (the excepting being another sister company, Pocketbooks, who did the movie-novels, since they are the 'Trek publisher' - I'm sure CBS made sure it stayed that way.)
So could CBS come in and try to persuade Paramount to let Cryptic use the Kelvin? Sure, probably. But they aren't likely to fight that battle over some vanity items
Which is why I said it was "Difficult"
The Sovereign appeared as a background computer graphic in three DS9 episodes and one Voyager episode.
No.
I can see multiple tie-ins. There's the idea of having a BO of Keenser's species, a Kelvin starter ship, uniforms from the films.
I strongly suspect a big Star Trek 09 DVD/Blu-Ray rerelease would be the target for it but, by then, the new JJverse comic book will have been running awhile. (It retells TOS episodes in the JJverse.) I imagine there will be a big push for collected editions of that with the movie too and that might be an ideal area for some kind of tie-in since it's a CBS/Paramount cooperative licensed product.
I think the Akula and the Saladin Subtype where Background Graphics in one of the TOS Movies
I think I saw a Federation Class there somewhere too
That is because both Starfleet Command (by Interplay) and the Starfleet Battles PnP game based their ships on some designs by Franz Joseph which appeared in some of the Reference books he wrote and illustrated in the dark days after Trek's original cancellation and its revival in the late 70s.
Trek producers had the rights to use those, and they aren't strictly Interplay's property, though actual ownership is still ambiguous, and all of it STILL requires CBS signing off on it.
Which is why the Kelvin was a new design.
Ahem.... the new movie does not even take place in the same universe so them isnt much evadince to assume that the Kelvin is in the prime universe
Well since STO isnt cannon and if your being stickt all stuff genrodenbary didnt aprove isnt cannon... so half TNG and later... yeah that could be a problem. Still... and the kelvin is kinda just a 1 naccel constatution class (exept weeker) from what I have heard