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I joined this game at the very start, true...not as a lifetimer since I could not afford that, and at that point it was clear that Klingons where not done by any means. Ever since then I have heard time and time again that there will be great klingon patches etc thats going to "fix" klingons and bring them closer ot being a compeditive faction compared to the federation.
So after being so tired of the game due to lack of raids since no klingons where around to do it, I took a break...I come back about 8 months later only to find that the same discussions are still ongoing.
The devs still keeps saying "it will come".
The players still keeps nagging...
and the feds still keeps snickering that they get more
My question is...has anything really changed in 8 months? or is this some version of (insert your soap opera here) that you can miss for 2-3 years and not miss anything drastic...
So after being so tired of the game due to lack of raids since no klingons where around to do it, I took a break...I come back about 8 months later only to find that the same discussions are still ongoing.
The devs still keeps saying "it will come".
The players still keeps nagging...
and the feds still keeps snickering that they get more
My question is...has anything really changed in 8 months? or is this some version of (insert your soap opera here) that you can miss for 2-3 years and not miss anything drastic...
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At least now I know where ST-O stands and I know how to treat the company and the game.
Unless its against the fed idea of balance. Then the KDF comes under severe scrutiny and is displayed as the cheating, Dev loved *******s they think we are.
Over the months there have been alot of new missions added to the Klingons to bulk it out - it used to be almost exclusively PvP. I think Cryptic are doing a decent job with slowly adding content.
However none of us should be under any illusion. The Klingon Faction will never be on par with the federation faction, both in missions and content. One just has to look at the ratio of federation content release to klingon content release to see this. We Klingons may complain and grumble that the feds get tons more stuff but thats just the way it is. We are a sideshow.
And i dont think it will ever change. The only thing that i will complain about is feds trying to steal Klingon specific content (i.e Carriers). Feds youve got enough. Leave us be
No we are not up to par with the Feds. Yes we are better off than we were at launch.
Now here is the thing I try to remind everyone of - this is a two faction game with the potential for at least 2 more factions. If the game is going to be a success it has to make all factions enjoyable and sustainable for players from now until the shutting off of the servers. The work is never done on the factions, this goes for the Feds as much as it does the KDF.
While content is needed across the board, what the KDF needs that the Federation has is an identity. The Federation has diplomacy (and yes that system needs expansion), but the KDF does not have a system like this. The weeklies will help to fill in the content gap, what cannot go unfilled is the lack of KDF identity. It is this lack of identity that keeps players out of the KDF. To make matters worse we were erroneously billed as the PvP faction, but any unique PvP experience we had was given to the Feds after the first month, so any slight sense of identity the KDF had at launch is now out the window. What we need is a House system and a Conquest system.
I'm sure someone is going to come in here and tell me that the KDF was never meant to be a full faction, so I'm going to say right now, that I'm going to ignore anyone who uses that argument because it is simply incorrect and uninformed. The reality is, as Dstahl posted in one of the states of the game posts
The future of STO requires that all factions have a clearly defined identity. Both factions need some work in this regard, no doubt what so ever, but currently the KDF is in greater need.
I continue to support the game, I continue to give the company money as I bought all of the KDF ships in the C-store (save the B'rel refit after the post tribble nerf). I do not criticize the game because of some sense of vengeance or hatred for the devs, I criticize because it needs to be said that things need work because with work this game (and even the KDF faction) can be absolutely phenomenal.
Well said.
My only beef with the feds is the number of statements that claim we should accept our place as the minoirty without a fight, that we don't do "x", do do "x", have no scientist, that the Devs favor us over the feds, etc.
If I truelly believed the fed fanbase to be the "ego-centric" mass of people I sometimes claim them to be, I would not have bought the game. Though I am oftern puzzled by some of their actions.
The truth is the KDF is far better off than release and should not fear being left to die by the Devs any longer.
While I don't disagree with this nor do I fear being left to die. I think a road map for the KDF would be a great thing.
We have a decent idea of where the game itself is going, and from what I've read I feel like the Fed side of development is going towards making professions more individualize and eventually make exploration feel like exploration.
Where are we as the KDF going? Probably something similar with the professions, but what about our form of exploration i.e. conquest? I think that this is what we need more than KDF specific episodes at this point. I also think it sets the tone better for adding other factions like the Romulans and Cardassians, so that they too can have their own unique thing in STO.
Klingons were originally advertised as STOs version of Monster Play from LotRO. Cryptics mistake was releasing content that moved the klingons away from this role.
Edit here is one pre-launch quote:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/star-trek-online-interview_9?page=2
That said, If we are supposed to be the PVP faction,( which I'm fine with, there is plenty of PVE fedside for those that care to do that kind of thing), the Devs need to add something to PVP. give us an open pvp area, or at least more maps. As a klingon PVPer, i feel like I've been ignored twice.
By the way Feds, the Klingon episodes we do have are AWESOME, you should roll a klink & try them out.
I started with a FED in May 2010, leveled him to the max, and started a Klingon, and I don't regret it at all.
For me right now, the KDF have the coolest ships, leaving the FEDS way behind on the
cool factor for ships.
KDF carrier, Brel retrofit, Varanus support ship, Kar'Fi Battle Carrier,
Marauder Patrol Cruiser, Garumba Siege Destroyer...
For me that's a pretty impressive list of really cool ships.
I know it takes more for some players, some need every uniform that's ever graced
the screen from every ST series, some will be happy when they get to play poker or
have Archer's dog on the bridge of their ship.
When I started STO the thing that kept me motivated was just reaching CAPTAIN. Then it
was seeing all the higher ranking players with higher tier ships, and that was what took me
through the grinding to get to VA. I got every ship the FED's have to offer, now have all the ships
the KDF has to offer, and for my monthly subscription price I keep coming back to my KDF character,
and playing through all the content there is. The Gates of Grethor (probably spelled it wrong) is an amazing episode, and the only episode on the Fed side that comes close to it is The Devidian halloween-esque episode.
Overall, having started with a FED, and now spending more time on the KDF side I'm happy and
content with what I'm seeing on the KDF side.
The way I see the state of STO is that it will always be a work in progress, to me that's the nature of MMO's.
They are always improving and adding, fixing items. STO will never be 100% a finished work, because it's
always going to have people working on it, always improving it.
As a die-hard hard core ST fan I'm glad that there is a STO to spend chunks of my free-time on.
LONG LIVE STO!
I can't help but wonder if they had released the KDF 6 months ago with the amount of content they have today, rather than at launch where we would be. I think fewer would have left in anger and there might have been less distrust, but alas hindsight is 20/20 so it is too easy to ask those questions now.
If there would have been the content we now have there wouldn't have so much Klingon players left, especially in anger. I'm also considering leaving the fleet I'm in since nobody is ingame anymore.
And to be honest since Cryptics two debacles to follow up on their promises for us Klingons I have have lost much of the trust,too. Additional the bugged sortie missions make me angry.
The debate that boils in the main forums again shows me that Cryptic produced a them vs us attitude, something that should have never happened
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This contradicts another post he made some months ago.
While I don't believe it is ********. I do believe that Dstahls desires for the game and what he has the manpower and logistics to get done are two different things. I don't think anyone can doubt my place as a champion for the KDF cause, but I don't believe Dstahl is lying when he says he wants to get the KDF completed. In fact his candor about the debacle that got us into this position is to be admired.
I don't think it entirely contradicts things he has said in the past, in fact his state of the game that was mostly dedicated to Klingons said basically the same things. I do think unfortunately this whole situation is leaving a bad taste in his mouth. I can't blame him, but I also can't blame those who are irate and frustrated.
I do think we need to remember that we've come a long way. This is not to say we don't have some ways to go too, but we are hardly the faction of no content (PvP or PvE) we have enough to get through things and we have the weeklies which certainly have been enjoyable. Ok they do get old the 11th time
I'm going to make a post here in a few days that tries to distill the heart of what the KDF is lacking. While more content is always welcome, I think that if we get to the heart of the targ, and ask the Devs to try to focus their attention there, we might help everyone with a new KDF chapter.
No one asked for the KarFi carriers at that time were deemed floating bricks and were used simply as bait. Which shows you how much Cryptic actually listens, and to add insult to injury the Feds received 3 new vessels at the time. So with the new ships we are almost up to par to the Federation but then again they have another two ships on the way and guaranteed more to come while Klingons will have to pull teeth again just to get caught up again.
Crafting when you have a two faction game it makes sense that both sides have access to this.
8 Story Line Missions Compared to over 50 episodes that the Feds have
Tricorders we had to bombard Cryptic with this MULTIPLE times until they finally deemed it necessary to fix. Another example of Cryptic failing to listen when Stormshade proved that they were unaware of the issue when so many tickets were sent in on it. Oh and lets not forget the majority of them are still broken maps with mobs spawning under buildings, under the world, mobs not spawning at all.
Agnostic is accessible by both sides but I guess we should feel special since we were actually included this time.
The sorties are nice, and we did finally get out of sector. It only took them about 10 months to get that done. Wow, Im really impressed.
Oh and we love the C-Store content for Klingons every Federation ship has 3 skins except for a few and KLINGONS are expected to pay for additional skins when many of our ships have no variations.
Now here's the kicker, its been a year and were still struggling for content and equal access to the game that Feds have.
And that's what they are saying all the time. They are not lying to your face saying "yes yes, just pay your subscription, Klingon content is coming eventually, maybe not this week, maybe not nexth months, but certainly at some point in the far future, probably". They are continually adding to the game, including Klingon stuff.
It it's not fast enough, get yourself a time machine to the summer of 2012 or so.
The Point is that we are expecting to pay for things that the Federation gets for free, a year later we are still waiting for the basics , a year later we are still waiting for this so called unique PVP experience that the Klingon faction was supposed to be at launch. You know the hype that Cryptic tried to spin to make up for the disastrous state Klingons were in. And all this is just part of the problem.
NO the point is nobody is "expecting" you to pay for squat, if you are not satisfied with the status of the game quit or just leave, its really that simple, even if you are a LT sub, just move on and chuck it up as a loss.
Honestly, why play a game you are so obviously unhappy with is beyond me. Whinning like a red headed step-child is not going to win you any favor anywhere, especially here.
I doubt Cryptic will ever make enough content to make you happy so just move on or out.
Your continued rants are so.........childish.
Grow up !
Your ranting about what you deem to be a rant.
Guess? Who needs to grow up here.