I've been watching some of the threads expressing concern that the growth in the number of missions made in the Foundry will outstrip the ability of currently available search/review tools to impose any sort of order or make missions find-able. At the same time, I've seen some worries that good missions might fall through the cracks and frustration that some missions haven't yet been reviewed at all.
So here's one modest proposal that came to me on the train this morning. When the Foundry goes live, perhaps there should be a forum dedicated specifically to mission reviews, in addition to those for bug reports or general discussion. This would be a searchable resource. There could be stickied threads that list other resources for finding missions and mission reviews (for instance the Starbase UGC blog and wiki). This wouldn't be perfect or the sole solution to any problems, but it could be a starting place.
One more idea. I'm lukewarm on the idea of incentives for making people do things ingame, but maybe there could be some set of incentives for reviewing missions, something like an accolade for reviewing 50 or 100 or whatever. I also think there's a built-in incentive: I have a suspicion that people who are actively reviewing missions might have an easier time getting their own creations noticed. Or maybe not.
I believe that when we get past our initial influx of new missions that perhaps all of the producers will go play other people's missions. If everyone reviewed Ten missions then perhaps We could put a dent into the backlog...
I thought I saw that there would be 3 Daily Emblems for doing 3 foundry Missions?
ok... I hope I can get the ball rolling here... I just did 6 foundry missions and left reviews... if everyone does that we can end some of our difficulties...
I might be more inclined to try missions by players that play and review mine... Reciprocity is the name of the game... if you review mine... I'll review yours... & please be honest with your reviews... Personally, I'm looking for errors and functionality, as well as mission flow and plot cohesion, as well as enjoyment and balance.
I've been watching some of the threads expressing concern that the growth in the number of missions made in the Foundry will outstrip the ability of currently available search/review tools to impose any sort of order or make missions find-able. At the same time, I've seen some worries that good missions might fall through the cracks and frustration that some missions haven't yet been reviewed at all.
So here's one modest proposal that came to me on the train this morning. When the Foundry goes live, perhaps there should be a forum dedicated specifically to mission reviews, in addition to those for bug reports or general discussion. This would be a searchable resource. There could be stickied threads that list other resources for finding missions and mission reviews (for instance the Starbase UGC blog and wiki). This wouldn't be perfect or the sole solution to any problems, but it could be a starting place.
One more idea. I'm lukewarm on the idea of incentives for making people do things ingame, but maybe there could be some set of incentives for reviewing missions, something like an accolade for reviewing 50 or 100 or whatever. I also think there's a built-in incentive: I have a suspicion that people who are actively reviewing missions might have an easier time getting their own creations noticed. Or maybe not.
Ok...now back to the grindstone with me...
does StarbaseUGC not fulfill this roll? How is it lacking?
make people who elect to play UGC content review three mission per week or they lose their pass for the next week.
There's already an incentive in the game in the form the the lady NPC contact who gives out a daily with skill points for testing people's UGC missions.
There's already an incentive in the game in the form the the lady NPC contact who gives out a daily with skill points for testing people's UGC missions.
There's already an incentive in the game in the form the the lady NPC contact who gives out a daily with skill points for testing people's UGC missions.
Really? A female NPC gives out a daily for reviewing missions? Where?
does StarbaseUGC not fulfill this roll? How is it lacking?
~D
i love the idea of starbase UGC, but in my past experiences with games that support UGC- the best way to reach out to the majority of people playing is to have the UGC either advertised through the official channels or have large, well-known community databases, such as moddb, and the likes.
I do honestly hope that starbase UGC grows to be big like this, but it will take a lot of time, and a lot more people udsing it- plus a little exposure from cryptic to really get that ball rolling
I'm sure there will be. That said, I really hope the mods post a sticky at the top against bumping. Not only is it agains the rules, its just plain pathetic to see people trying to climb over each other to constantly be at the top of the page. Personally, I plan to report every self bump I see.
does StarbaseUGC not fulfill this roll? How is it lacking?
~D
I also think Starbase UGC is an excellent resource, but it also can't do everything, at least not well. If you've got tutorial posts intermingled with people advertising their missions intermingled with people reviewing missions, along with any Foundry news, I think that might get somewhat confusing and potentially unwieldy.
I'm not suggesting anything to replace it, but rather somewhere specifically for reviews that are helpful to authors (unlike the limited comments available through the in-game review).
And I think it would be a good idea to discourage bumping. Plus, entries might work best if they were in a standard format. Given that this is the Internet and everyone is on their best behavior, I'm sure all posters will comply happily with both.
My general thought is this: some people are going to be good at creating missions, some at playing them, others at reviewing them. In order for the entire system to work, I think there needs to be a place for the latter group of people to say something useful and meaningful.
I also think Starbase UGC is an excellent resource, but it also can't do everything, at least not well. If you've got tutorial posts intermingled with people advertising their missions intermingled with people reviewing missions, along with any Foundry news, I think that might get somewhat confusing and potentially unwieldy.
It sounds like you arent aware of the basic design of a web site. If you go to Starbase UGC there are several different button tabs at the top, and there are different tabs for tutorials and missions. If people are confused by this then they are confused by the internet itself.
It sounds like you arent aware of the basic design of a web site. If you go to Starbase UGC there are several different button tabs at the top, and there are different tabs for tutorials and missions. If people are confused by this then they are confused by the internet itself.
I am confused by many things, but I do get this.
I think it comes down to a couple of things. One is audience. I'm aware that not all STO players even visit the forums. I assume a fraction of those are aware of Starbase UGC. Admittedly, SB-UGC undoubtedly attracts a lot of people interested in the Foundry, but in what aspects?
My impression is that a lot of the people who post or comment on Starbase UGC (myself included) are interested in writing missions. This is conjecture and I'm certainly open to correction on this point, but I've had the impression for a while that it was a place where potential authors could gather in a community.
So it may be a good place to offer feedback that authors (at least the ones who know about it) use. However, the population of people who are going to be wanting to play Foundry missions is going to be much bigger than that and, even if they know about SB-UGC, they may find visiting an STO forum more appealing or easier. Or they may not see SB-UGC as a place to go for reviews as much as tips and tutorials.
All this is aside from the construction of the website and the number of tabs or tags available on SB-UGC won't make a big difference in how people who never visit it think about what it's for.
Again, I'm not suggesting to replace anything. Instead, I think such a forum could be a good way to get people looking to SB-UGC, or at least aware of it, since it could both be cited as a general reference and, I'm assuming, many of the people who posted there could mention it as a place to go for more in-depth info. All I'm suggesting is adding another, perhaps more accessible (insofar as its on the forums that many people visit anyway) layer.
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I thought I saw that there would be 3 Daily Emblems for doing 3 foundry Missions?
I might be more inclined to try missions by players that play and review mine... Reciprocity is the name of the game... if you review mine... I'll review yours... & please be honest with your reviews... Personally, I'm looking for errors and functionality, as well as mission flow and plot cohesion, as well as enjoyment and balance.
make people who elect to play UGC content review three mission per week or they lose their pass for the next week.
does StarbaseUGC not fulfill this roll? How is it lacking?
~D
There's already an incentive in the game in the form the the lady NPC contact who gives out a daily with skill points for testing people's UGC missions.
Id like to see the following.
1.) Accolades for Reviewers
3 Different Levels with different titles (10, 20, 50) Must leave comments and not just stars
2.) Rewards for Reviews..
After getting the 50 reveiw titles, one can then earn 10 Crypitc Points for every 10 reviews done.
??????
Where is this at?
Really? A female NPC gives out a daily for reviewing missions? Where?
i love the idea of starbase UGC, but in my past experiences with games that support UGC- the best way to reach out to the majority of people playing is to have the UGC either advertised through the official channels or have large, well-known community databases, such as moddb, and the likes.
I do honestly hope that starbase UGC grows to be big like this, but it will take a lot of time, and a lot more people udsing it- plus a little exposure from cryptic to really get that ball rolling
The Starfleet liason gives you a mission called Incident reports or something like it.
The one on the balcony above the door to Quinn's office? She won't talk to me.
I also think Starbase UGC is an excellent resource, but it also can't do everything, at least not well. If you've got tutorial posts intermingled with people advertising their missions intermingled with people reviewing missions, along with any Foundry news, I think that might get somewhat confusing and potentially unwieldy.
I'm not suggesting anything to replace it, but rather somewhere specifically for reviews that are helpful to authors (unlike the limited comments available through the in-game review).
And I think it would be a good idea to discourage bumping. Plus, entries might work best if they were in a standard format. Given that this is the Internet and everyone is on their best behavior, I'm sure all posters will comply happily with both.
My general thought is this: some people are going to be good at creating missions, some at playing them, others at reviewing them. In order for the entire system to work, I think there needs to be a place for the latter group of people to say something useful and meaningful.
It sounds like you arent aware of the basic design of a web site. If you go to Starbase UGC there are several different button tabs at the top, and there are different tabs for tutorials and missions. If people are confused by this then they are confused by the internet itself.
No, no - you don't travel to her.
Check your suggested missions on your main character on tribble. One of the suggestions should be for three "incident reports" or similar nomeclature.
I am confused by many things, but I do get this.
I think it comes down to a couple of things. One is audience. I'm aware that not all STO players even visit the forums. I assume a fraction of those are aware of Starbase UGC. Admittedly, SB-UGC undoubtedly attracts a lot of people interested in the Foundry, but in what aspects?
My impression is that a lot of the people who post or comment on Starbase UGC (myself included) are interested in writing missions. This is conjecture and I'm certainly open to correction on this point, but I've had the impression for a while that it was a place where potential authors could gather in a community.
So it may be a good place to offer feedback that authors (at least the ones who know about it) use. However, the population of people who are going to be wanting to play Foundry missions is going to be much bigger than that and, even if they know about SB-UGC, they may find visiting an STO forum more appealing or easier. Or they may not see SB-UGC as a place to go for reviews as much as tips and tutorials.
All this is aside from the construction of the website and the number of tabs or tags available on SB-UGC won't make a big difference in how people who never visit it think about what it's for.
Again, I'm not suggesting to replace anything. Instead, I think such a forum could be a good way to get people looking to SB-UGC, or at least aware of it, since it could both be cited as a general reference and, I'm assuming, many of the people who posted there could mention it as a place to go for more in-depth info. All I'm suggesting is adding another, perhaps more accessible (insofar as its on the forums that many people visit anyway) layer.
She's not showing in my contact list, either.