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Can someone explain to me, why I'm guilty of using profane language when putting the following into a dialog:
[Rank], it's good to see some Starfleet personnel down here after all. The colony needs some of that future technology from the Voyager to defend itself against the Borg.
I'm not a native speaker, but it appears pretty harmless to me. It's not the reference to Voyager, I tried to delete it, and it still isn't kosher.

A suggestion: It would be nice, if the word/phrase in question would be highlighted, so the author does not have to scratch her head that hard ;)

Regards,
Rachel
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I haven't tried it out yet, but my gut is that the game does not allow certain words from the series (such as Enterprise, Voyager, Defiant). It may be registering these "forbidden words" as profanity since the designers didn't bother listing which words aren't allowed for which reasons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You know some of us have had a similar problem with our character bios when we write them in the character generation system. The walk around there was simple. Cut and delete the text from the biography box, load into the game, open character profile and paste text back into the biography box. You problem has no such cure.

    I read what you wrote and while the grammar is a little awkward, (far from the worst I have read in official game missions) there is nothing wrong about what you wrote. Since you can reedit it I suggest cutting it into fragments in Notepad or Word and adding it one fragment at a time till it nails you for profanity. That should give you a clue as to which word or word combination the Foundry does not like.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I've also got a message a the bottom left of the Foundry saying my mission contains profane text.

    I can assure you it does not.

    Has anyone every noticed how the phrase "i s n ' t ___ i t" gets filtered out in game for referring to the female upper chest anatomy?

    This is ridiculous, Cryptic. Come on, the EULA clearly states that you're not responsible for the text that comes up in game. Sort it out please.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Rachel, I believe the answer is as follows:

    "d e f e n d ___ i t s e l f ___ a g a i n s t ___ t h e ___ B o r g"

    Bloody crazy, isn't it?

    Come on, Cryptic. Sort it out. Your profanity filter is the most poorly designed I've ever came across in a game. It's ruining people's Foundry missions!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    My mission contains the word "TRIBBLEume".

    This is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous!!!

    :eek:

    Edit: Even changing the word "assume" to "presume" (which is totally out of character for this NPC I've created - too posh imo) hasn't removed the profanity message. I've gone through the whole mission and can't find what the problem might be.

    This is really disappointing. It's censorship literally gone mad.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    There are tons of false positives:
    "Isn't it" is read as a slang term for TRIBBLE
    "Assume" can come up as a slang term for the bum
    "defend itself against the borg" can come up as an insulting term for homosexuals
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The sad thing is, we are being penalised for the behaviour of annoying griefers in so many games before this one. Honestly, whichever TRIBBLE created this profanity filter Cryptic are using needs dragging into Stahl's office for a swift rollocking. Look at the fuss it's now causing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Varlo wrote:
    The sad thing is, we are being penalised for the behaviour of annoying griefers in so many games before this one. Honestly, whichever TRIBBLE created this profanity filter Cryptic are using needs dragging into Stahl's office for a swift rollocking. Look at the fuss it's now causing.

    It's a family game and both Cryptic and CBS are probably erring on the side of caution.

    That said, censorship is silly - especially when it is censoring clean text.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I dont have a problem with them censoring whole profane words, but censoring any combination of words that happen to also form the occasional oddity is going too far. If someone wants to swear in the chat panel they'll find a way regardless :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    It does seem to have increased in sensativity. I played with the character name "Testy Testerton" thru beta (and many other closed and open beta games), and Foundry is the first to label that name as innapropriate.

    While i can understand the importance of keeping this clean given any child can pick up the game and play it, there is a point where the restrictions begin bordering lunacy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I haven't tried it out yet, but my gut is that the game does not allow certain words from the series (such as Enterprise, Voyager, Defiant). It may be registering these "forbidden words" as profanity since the designers didn't bother listing which words aren't allowed for which reasons.

    This isnt true. I was just playing a mission "Worst of All Worlds" and in it, my science officer noted that scanners could locate the "Reliant, Constitution and Enterprise" in the area

    Awesome mission as well btw, kudos to Captain Revo
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    If "t<space>it" registers as profanity, you are going to knock out quite a few English sentences.

    And what about "Assault", "Assimilate"....?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Naevius wrote:
    If "t<space>it" registers as profanity, you are going to knock out quite a few English sentences.

    And what about "Assault", "Assimilate"....?

    Assassination is like saying a naughty word twice....

    What are we 12? The game is T for Teen for goodness sake! Have you ever gone to a public school in America? Have you ever spoken to a 16 year old?

    Please, any teen who doesn't know and embrace these words is likely so sheltered they won't fit into society anyway, kinda like that odd character Al Franken played on SNL, Stuart Smalley the bright and cheerful self-help guy who had issues coming to terms with the darker parts of reality.

    But, I digress. I couldn't name my robotic ninja guy In Champions Arc L.I.T.E. for reasons that were not immediately apparent.

    The filter needs some work.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Naevius wrote:
    If "t<space>it" registers as profanity, you are going to knock out quite a few English sentences.

    And what about "Assault", "Assimilate"....?

    Assault is banned on Black OPS as a Class Name, for profanity

    Even though the section the rifle is listed under is called "Assault Rifles"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I had a bug report fail because the cluster mission that the bug was on included a filtered word in the system name
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Varlo wrote:
    I dont have a problem with them censoring whole profane words, but censoring any combination of words that happen to also form the occasional oddity is going too far. If someone wants to swear in the chat panel they'll find a way regardless :rolleyes:

    It's silly, I agree.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Raso wrote:
    I couldn't name my robotic ninja guy In Champions Arc L.I.T.E. for reasons that were not immediately apparent.

    I saw it immediately...:p:o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Naevius wrote:
    I saw it immediately...:p:o

    Well my head was in "awesome name mode" not my usual "pervert mode".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Stop your cry hole's or you will be placed on the Klingon moon praxis that was destroyed . Yes we controll time. heheh
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I wonder if the name John Hancock will fail the filter, like it does on some other forums that I read. It's sad when one of the Founding Fathers gets censored. Probably why he was pushing for independence to begin with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    My personal example of the filter fail in STO is when I typoed "Heart of Tard" on the subject line of an e-mail I was sending. I guess tard was filtered as an urban version of "TRIBBLE". But then again, maybe not.

    John Hancock, John Hancock, John Hancock. <<--Just had to get it out of my system.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I just want to stand up and say that I understand cryptic's filter.

    The very first thing naughty people try to do is to circumvent the profanity filter. Clearly,

    "T I T" or "isnT IT" are attempts to circumvent the profanity filter.

    I believe a possible solution is to add reserve words as acceptable to the filter.

    For example,

    "Isn't it" and "isn't it" would be allowed. "isnt it" is bad spelling, so nice dice. We could also include "assassinate", "Assassinate", "Assume," and "assume."

    Then all we would need is community/developer interaction to maintain the list. In game reference would be awesome, but that is a lot of work for the devs.

    We could help the devs by making a list of ridiculous phrases we need for missions getting profanity flagged, and that could start us on the right track.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Another quick solution would be allow peer review -- 5 people sign off your mission doesn't have profanity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    My problem is that I've tried to make the dialogue as "Trek" as possible, and words like da_______mn & he_____ll have both been said by Kirk, Riker, O'Brien, Picard, Janeway, etc.. Numerous times in the series and movies.

    I think there should be a brief text-review by a dev before a mission goes "live", that way context can be taken into account. It will slow down mission publication, but it will also allow for better missions. Lets face it, if your first review is from a dev, you're probably going to give their feedback a bit more weight than johnny-whats-his-face.

    For example, I recently published a KDF mission where you call a Cardassian Captains bluff, I wanted that Cardassian to get angry and say "Da___mn you!" and then concede defeat, something we've seen time and again in episode after episode, swearing in contempt and frustration, but noo..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cryptics Profanity filter is set for 8 year olds (who most likely do NOT play this game), not teens and adults (who primarily play this game).

    Seriously Cryptic, pull the PRUDE out of your backsides. You are taking it to ridiculous levels.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Creating ones one bad words for the purpose of storytelling has been done before. By Star Trek alum Ron Moore who went on to develop the reboot of Battlestar Gallactica, and coined the term"frak".

    Perhaps a similar approach can be done for storytelling purposes.

    I for one, as a reviewer, would not in any way flag a UGC mission due to a word used to show emotion in storytelling, like the example above of "dam+n" or "H-e - double hockeysticks." or"frak" being used. as long as its done so in a way thats appropriate to the events of the story.

    Now having "frak off" be a responce to an admiral's hail for a mission instead of "continue" i would flag. I would laugh first, but flag it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Personally, I think things that spaces shouldn't factor in to the filter. After all, if people want to begin changing the spelling of words, they'll find a way to bypass the filter.

    Far better solution is just to ban the actual words and allow users to report the mission for attempts to get around the filter. A Cryptic employee then reviews it, just like they would any other petition.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    CrustyMac wrote: »
    My personal example of the filter fail in STO is when I typoed "Heart of Tard" on the subject line of an e-mail I was sending. I guess tard was filtered as an urban version of "TRIBBLE". But then again, maybe not.

    John Hancock, John Hancock, John Hancock. <<--Just had to get it out of my system.

    it might help if you spell Targ correctly. LOL, sry.

    yeah, the filter is a little too sensitive.
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