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There has been many posts and comments about the K'vort its an iconic klingon cruiser and is is seen countelss times in TNG and DS9, and I think its time to have its place in STO aswell...
I suggest that we have the K'vort as a kind of retrofit at max level, a cross between a BoP and a Cruiser, a Tactical Light Cruiser would fit it best IMO...
As im a dreamer i've number crunched a bit and come up with a nice set of stats for the beast that I think are fair to both sides of the fence Klingon and Federation
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K'vort Tactical Light Cruiser
(Lieutenant General)
Impulse Modifier: 0.20
Turn Rate: 12 deg/sec
Inertia: 40
Crew: 250
Hull: 35000
Weapons: 4 Forward, 2 Rear
Consoles: 2 Eng, 3 Sci, 4 Tac
Devices: 2
Bridge Officers: 2x Lieutenant Sci, 1x Sergeant Eng, 1x Commander Tac
Special Abilities: Battle Cloak
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Well thats my idea, discuss, flame, etc...
I suggest that we have the K'vort as a kind of retrofit at max level, a cross between a BoP and a Cruiser, a Tactical Light Cruiser would fit it best IMO...
As im a dreamer i've number crunched a bit and come up with a nice set of stats for the beast that I think are fair to both sides of the fence Klingon and Federation
*****
K'vort Tactical Light Cruiser
(Lieutenant General)
Impulse Modifier: 0.20
Turn Rate: 12 deg/sec
Inertia: 40
Crew: 250
Hull: 35000
Weapons: 4 Forward, 2 Rear
Consoles: 2 Eng, 3 Sci, 4 Tac
Devices: 2
Bridge Officers: 2x Lieutenant Sci, 1x Sergeant Eng, 1x Commander Tac
Special Abilities: Battle Cloak
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Well thats my idea, discuss, flame, etc...
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I miss this Class of Ship with his cool angled wings.
But i think, it must be a T5 Ship with 5 BO Slots.
No.
no ships with cruiser tanking and hp should get battle cloak.
What are we going to do about the Romulans?
By making such a detailed suggestion you just made sure a K'Vort, if it comes, would be unable to have those exact values.
It has to do with copyright laws and origin of idea and such..
Plagiatrism, theft of ideas..
And so on..
That actually depends on if the source for the stats are contained within the Cryptic copyright agreement with CBS or not. For instance many of the books are in that agreement, hence the use of the Luna a non-canon class of ship only seen and described in soft-canon.
As the above suggestion I believe takes stats from one of the technical manuals. Any suggestions about abilities really don't fit within the copyright domain as they are making use of already established Cryptic ideas.
Thats one big BoP!
well, no loss there for reals.
As for romulans:
Romulan warbirds NEVER, EVER cloaked under fire.
The idea that they SHOULD just because they are romulans is asinine.
Warbirds should be heavy warships with a sweet science suite.
Together with some new science powers, and new powers should come at some point, this might make a nice switch from the usual ships we get.
Klinks and feds kinda are same wamey overall - cruisers have engi focus etc etc.
A warbird should be a bulky, a bit sowy handling weapon that strikes fro ma position of superiority: engineered by attacking from cloak and doing nasty sciency stuff to the fed nerds and klink brutes.
Then you get ships like the norexan, also known as valdore: the romulan ships from nemesis who are in sto under the name mogai.
You could give them subpar escort stats, battlecloak, lt com sci, com tactic, lt engineering, ens universal..
Then all those in betweens and stat copys of the other faction of course.
But again: no battlecloakc fo a major tanking capable ship.
Heck, bop can use it well enough if the captain isn't some half assed moron - imagining what a competent cruiser can do with it is TERRIFYING.
Imagine a vorcha with battlecloack... yeah. like that.
There is no canon source telling the crew amount on the K'vort.
1500 is too much, and any sane trek viewer would know that given that the Galaxy class, the luxury liner in ST, was not geared to take more than ~5000 under maximum strain. And if you look at those ships: most of the k vort is wing. thin wing. or disruptor cannons. huge disruptor cannons.
they stuff crew into the barrels now?
I'd say leave this specific ability to them.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=173294&highlight=Where%27s+the+K%27Vort%3F
as i see it the K'vort i suggested is alot less powerfull than the equivelent cruiser or bop... but meh as i said ima dreamer and couldnt help mumbling up some stats...
I would be happy to see it in any form
It would, based on a size around 350 meters and an age somewhat younger than the K'tinga and older than the Vor'cha, be someting inbetween them.
Assuming it comes in a T5 version I'd imagine it as "lighter" than the Vor'cha, like the Vor'cha is lighter than the Negh'var: more maneuverable and with weaker hull.
It might work quite well assuming a possible T5 K't'inga retrofit would become some kind of cruiser/raptor hybrid, the K'vort would again be stuck between them.
I'd like to have the existing Refit-B'rel renamed into K'vort just to have the name here, though, as a nod to the class from TNG and to make the ship seem more advanced. It's a big jump from T1 to T5, after all - one that might warrant a larger design overhaul than merely a retrofit.
In fact, in the Starfleet Command III game, the K'vort was just that - a slightly(!) larger (+25m), more advanced version of the B'rel.
Same thing as for the Klingons I suppose.
That's what I always assumed. I just thought that the K'Vort was nothing but an updated B'rel design. In fact, I've always referred to it as a BoP.
In fact it was a Heavy Cruiser in "Birth of the Federation".:D
It is also a Heavy Cruiser in the IKS Gorkon novels.
In the second book one of the ships that aid Klaag is a K'Vort, there
are also several Birds of Prey mentioned.
They are two distinct classes of ships with totally different functions in the novels.;)
In hard canon, the B'rel and the K'vort are of the same size anyways, as they recycled the very same TNG footage for both ships.
It felt more like both of us pointing at a game saying "look they did it this way in this particular game, wouldn't it be nice if Cryptic did it this way in STO, too?"
Just that we were pointing at different games.;)
Yep they reused footage for the B'rel: the big BoPs from "Yesterday's Enterprise" which points even more to the existence of that kind of ship.:p
But coming to abilitys, the Hegh'ta already HAS the stats I thing a K'vort should have (and it already has the right size). It just does not have the right look yet.
The Andorian and Vulcan ship.
But regardless, a ship is a ship.
Honestly, though. Birds-of-Prey belong into the Birds-of-Prey category, not the Battlecruiser one. By all means, just change the name of B'rel-Refit into K'vort and be done with it.
As for new ships, I'd honestly prefer to see some more Gorn/Orion/Nausicaan designs. We've got enough KDF classes - the Klingons are not the Federation, we do not need dozens of different hulls for the same job. But we have allies who would surely like to bring their own toys onto the battlefield - on all tiers! Variety for the faction, not just the Klingons.
UMMM...nope.:)
Love this idea.
More variety, more fun and it will also prove the eternal "Klingons only win because of cloak" blabla boils down to the simple fact that when people win, they think they win because of their skill but when they lose it's not because of a lack of skill but for other reasons, like cheats, exploits, the wrong phase of the moon, bad lighting conditions, a broken fingernail...and cloaks.
And maybe, just maybe they'll look at my proposals for new Gorn cruisers again, though I seriously doubt it:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=2948055
I agree with your suggestion. Another option would be to add the skin to the Tier-5 BoP under the K'Vort name.
More like:
either another T5 BoP skin but with the looks of the B'rel (which would automatically give it a battlecloak)
or another battlecruiser with who knows what kind of BO layout and without battlecloak.
It's a canon ship
Battle Cloak is a Cryptic invention.
Make it a new ship. Rename the T5 B'rel retrofit and re-skin it. ...I don't care how really.
Just get it in the game, make it bigger than the B'rel and I'm there.
What's wrong with just renaming the Refit? Do we really need two exact same looking ships in T5, just one looking slightly larger?
Stop trying to compensate - your disruptor is big enough, really!
The only difference is that thed BoP is shown with wings down and the K'Vort with wings up. And it isnt a cruiser!
Just rename your B'rel to K'vort and you are fine.
and since it's a cryptic invention i'm sure they understand that giving a cruiser type ship battle cloak is akin to handing out an i win button - or at the least an "no way i can lose" button.