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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    An interesting idea in principle, but not very realistic. Even with a "small" ship like a Defiant or Nova, It would take far too long to gather all components in this manner. By the time you did, I could acquire it from a salvage yard for half the cost.
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    Revlot wrote:
    This is a prime example, nothing to add except a dis for a spelling error. You are correct, when a person makes a simple spelling error then it is open season for the likes of you to make fun of the error while completly ignoring the point of the post. Child, go play in traffic.



    You read what you want to read and not what was written. The idea is to catch the thief - not to be the thief. It is a premmis for an eppisode, it does not have to make real-life sence as to why the thiefs are doing it, thiefs are stupid to begin with - thats why they steal instead of earn, golly.

    Honestly, anybody who specds their time here disparraging other peoples ideas should be banned from creating or playing any UGC. Anything they create will be unimaginitive and anything they play they will rate bad just out of spite.

    It could work, with good writing and direction. And a copy editor.

    :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Revlot wrote:
    This is a prime example, nothing to add except a dis for a spelling error. You are correct, when a person makes a simple spelling error then it is open season for the likes of you to make fun of the error while completly ignoring the point of the post. Child, go play in traffic.



    You read what you want to read and not what was written. The idea is to catch the thief - not to be the thief. It is a premmis for an eppisode, it does not have to make real-life sence as to why the thiefs are doing it, thiefs are stupid to begin with - thats why they steal instead of earn, golly.

    Honestly, anybody who specds their time here disparraging other peoples ideas should be banned from creating or playing any UGC. Anything they create will be unimaginitive and anything they play they will rate bad just out of spite.

    Didn't mean it to be disparaging, I understood what the concept was. Stories do need to be grounded with some logic, in particular with a character's actions and thoughts, to keep the reader (in this case, the player) engaged with the story. Stealing starship components is a fine hook, but one a day to build a starship presents some logistical issues that would need to be addressed, that's all.

    Not that anything I say matters, because clearly I'm a horrible person who needs to cancel my subscription and go throw myself under a train.

    Now, to be disparaging and come to ebeyer's defense

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    The culprit stole plans for a new prototype ship; the theft went unnoticed for several months, the ship has a complex holo-emitter that changes the ships weapons and looks. You fight one at the end of the mission and the reward is a holo-emitter with a 24 hr cd that randomly changes the looks (not the weapons) of your own ship.

    I am hooked :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Funny story...I once worked at a place that was having unusually high numbers of replacements for the wheels and other parts used in the forklifts.

    Eventually it turned out some guys were using them to build boat trailers, which they rolled out the back gate in broad daylight...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Revlot wrote:
    Somebody at StarFleet HQ is stealing ships! One component at a time, they collect the parts needed till they have a complete ship then they sell it, and it is up to YOU to stop them!

    hmmm ... not a bad idea, BUT as was mentioned, stealing a ship one piece at a time would be way to time intensive.

    It would work much better if someone was stealing certain systems one piece at a time instead of a whole ship. For example, stealing Starfleet sensors or ship computer systems would be more logical, harder to catch, and still present a MAJOR breach in Starfleet security. If enemies can get hold of working versions of your top-of-the-line electronics like that they could easily find the weaknesses in these systems allowing them to come up with ways to hack, confuse or disable them putting the entire fleet in serious jeopardy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    ebeyer wrote: »
    It could work, with good writing and direction. And a copy editor.

    :)

    Especially if you turn it around and it's a Klingon or Romulan agent, their goal isn't to abscond with a whole ship, but, rather, to get the specifications for a ship of the line. So, the pieces they're swiping turn up in strange places, but they're being selected because they're useful for technical data, which is going out.
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    I think it would work better if it was stolen data on the components rather than actually stolen parts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    I like the idea. except change it to some SF people are working with a group to help them aquire SF weapons and technology in order to start a CIVIL WAR. You wont know who the bad guys are. I think it would be better to if the group was a new kind of faction. Nothing rally elaborate... just different than Maqui ? or shapeshifters. Just regular people of all races banded together because of the prime directive or something. Im gonna work on that more.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    I like the idea. except change it to some SF people are working with a group to help them aquire SF weapons and technology in order to start a CIVIL WAR. You wont know who the bad guys are. I think it would be better to if the group was a new kind of faction. Nothing rally elaborate... just different than Maqui ? or shapeshifters. Just regular people of all races banded together because of the prime directive or something. Im gonna work on that more.
    I don't see why you'd need a new faction to be the bad guys in this. It would be pretty easy to use an existing group like the Romulans or Orion Syndicate.

    But what about no "bad guy" faction at all? What if it's just a situation of some opportunistic individuals in the right place at the right time who may not even realize / or care that they're putting the Federations security in jeopardy.

    Or better yet, what if it's a well meaning member of Starfleet? For example, say you've got a ferengi is Starfleet and his family on Ferenginar are in serious debt ... possibly facing debtors prison or something like that. Out of love for his family he decides to raise some quick latinum by pawning off copies of some Starfleet Engineerign Corp replicator databases. In his haste he may not have taken the time to look at what he was selling, just grabbing the biggest files he could find, assuming they'd bring the best price on the open market. It never occurred to him that he's potentially placed the designs for nasty military hardware in the hands of some very nasty people.

    Haven't really thought them through. Just putting this out there for anyone who might find these ideas useful.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Interesting idea, I'd take a more humorous approach to it maybe. Or am I the only one who thought of the M.A.S.H episode whene reading this where Radar mailed a Jeep in parts to his mom ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Revlot wrote:
    Sounds like somebody is interested in going with this one, spare parts - sure why not. I am glad that people were comfortable enough to bat the idea around till it took shape. Have fun writing it. Sucks in a way to be better at creativity than actual creation - but hey at least I have ideas, somebody will write a good mission with the idea.

    Rule number one for any writer: don't tell anyone your story, even after it's published
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Didn't Radar do this in an episode of MASH and give his postal carrier a retroactive hernia?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Roach wrote: »
    Didn't Radar do this in an episode of MASH and give his postal carrier a retroactive hernia?

    Hawkeye just suggested that that might happen if he finds out he had been delivering a whole Jeep.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Interesting idea, I'd take a more humorous approach to it maybe. Or am I the only one who thought of the M.A.S.H episode whene reading this where Radar mailed a Jeep in parts to his mom ;)
    LOL ... yeah, that's right where my mind went the moment I read the story idea. The "no bad guy" concept I put in my last post was inspired by that episode. I was just trying to find a way to take that and twist around to make it more "dramatic".
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    Sure I believe that angles got plenty of Trek Merit . As humorous a big part you take a turn from Radar to Johnny Cash "One Piece at a Time" a touch of "Q"s mischief and before you know it some fine rich Ferringhi traders got their little tot a NX- Excel - ?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Somebody has been listening to Johnny Cash :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Revan67 wrote:
    Somebody has been listening to Johnny Cash :D
    Yup ... got my starship One Piece At A Time. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Revlot wrote:
    Somebody at StarFleet HQ is stealing ships! One component at a time, they collect the parts needed till they have a complete ship then they sell it, and it is up to YOU to stop them! Investigat the reports of missing parts, interview SF personell, discover the guilty party and confront them, after they excape the ground engagment chase them through space to their hidden base and destroy it, along with the stolen ships that are protecting the base.

    Sounds like a good story to me, somebody else should develope it cause I wont deal with the public disparagment involved in the creation process here.

    Ok...

    This seriously reminds me of Klinger and the Jeep in the old MASH series.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Stealing Federation tech seems right up the alley of the mirror universe Terrans. (I reject the notion that they could've actually developed all the exact same ships in use by Starfleet based on the blueprints of the Defiant alone.) Your thieves might be mirror agents, prime universe sympathizers (Maquis-esque types, helping their previously oppressed doubles to never be oppressed again) or victims of blackmail like Sisko was. And they wouldn't have to steal quite so many actual components. Nothing as basic as conduits or plating anyway.

    So you're put in contact with a Federation shipyard administrator by Starfleet Intelligence. He's become aware someone's been breaking into the shipyard computers, but can't trust his own security staff to investigate. You do some running around a space-station type map, doing a bit of non-combat investigating, until you figure out who it is. Whatsisface makes a run for it and locks him or herself in a storage bay, giving you a few doors to shoot down, with maybe some turrets in between, and you can get there just in time to watch your suspect beam out.

    You do too and pursue the runabout he's escaping on. Lets say he flies into the local starship graveyard. Now you have to go around scanning derelicts looking for the shuttle. Here I'd go with two options, if the system allows for it. One, you locate the shuttle and beam to the ship it's on, fighting the spy and his colleagues that have been hiding out on there, or Two, you take too long identifying the right ship. The moment you hit space, these derelicts all start powering up (like ships in the destroy-a-shipyard missions); Guess someone took their prefix codes. Now these are old ships, and no match for you in a conventional fight, but they'll be programmed to try and ram you. Only one of them won't, which'd be the one your badguy is on. Blow that one up and you're done. (The other derelicts wouldn't have anyone controlling them anymore.)
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