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Which skill tree does it use for buffs before T5? BoP, Raptor or Battle Cruiser? I assume BC but who can know the mind of Cryptic? 
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What I don't get is why a Gorn science ship and an Orion cruiser???
That's seems totally backwards to me given the Gorn's being big heavy, defense minded types and the Orions being known for having stores of "hidden knowledge". Shouldn't it have been the other way around???
It was pointed out to devs many times
Yes, I made that comment to Dstahl in a previous post (or two.) Really weird.
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Duncan
Orion = science
Gorn = cruiser
Nausican = escort
Seemed obvious to me - don't know why the devs went the way they did with it. Go fig.
Simple, because they don't play KDF or know much about the species there....
I still don't understand this sentiment.
Just like everyone else they must have scientists that come up with new concepts and theories and engineers who build the ships and equipment based on those theories.
Besides, the Gorn in TOS had no problem feeding back the scanning impulses from Spock's tricorder and turning it into a bomb.
And the Gorn in "A Mirror Darkly" knew how to effectively sabotage a starship from 100 years into the future, or use its equipment to build booby traps.
Many people base their assumptions about the Gorn on the captain in TOS, that was probably as much a scientist or an engineer as Jack O'Neill from Stargate and we all know how much of a tech and science geek he is.:p
"sir the klingons are attacking"
"not now, not now. i'm trying to devise a way to annalyse the gasses of that nebula from 57 km away in an ion storm"
It's not exactly a "science ship" it's a "fleet support" ship.
The problem lies in the definition of "science" in this game, which includes all kinds of "electronic warfare".
It's a little more like a combination of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EA-6B_Prowler
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_Sentry
and also maybe a little of this:
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/destroyer/spahkreuzer/index.html
So not really a "science ship" like the Federation has them.
However the limitations of a computer game create the impression they are very much the same.
Even though their function as support ships in an actual fleet combat would be pretty much the same
my guess is the Gorn vessel was specifically designed for that role while the Federation science ships are actual science ships that can do these things as a secondary role.
Just like most Federation ships serve in a dual science/combat role.
My guess is an actual Gorn science ship is not by necessity part of their military put operates as part of a civilian organization.
And I assume the KDF, which seems to be in charge of exploring new planets and subjugating them when they are inhabited and useful, use Raptor-sized scout ships that can conduct scientific mission as their secondary role (Fed science ships in reverse so to speak) to do that job.
It's because Gorn are related to Kobolds obviously. They have innate trap building skills.
so your saying lizards cant be scientists? recomend you watch V :O
many many times.
according to science, if not for a very big rock hitting Earth a long long time ago, simple dino-lizard species here may have become the intelligent social tool users. Most figure the raptors would be the first to evolve along the path of true self-aware social intelligence.
btw, i can tell you are not a palentologist.
Nope, just re-telling the same story that has been told told everybody for years, a meatoer killed the dinosaurs which led to mammals having thier shot and evolving into the dominate species. Granted school was a long time ago but aI still belive that is one of the accepted theories. As for the "what if no comet strike" scenario of the raptors becoming the lizard equivalent of what man is now, that too has been in Scientific America and other science journals from nearly 15 years ago.
I do believe you.:)
But the question is:
since the Gorn are obviously busy with their own wars of expansion what kind of ships they can actually spare?
Assuming they'd taken steps to ensure a large portion of their force-multipliers (Electronic Warfare ships, carrier etc.) survived their war with the Klingons by sacrificing their "cheaper" normal combat ships for them they'd now have a surplus of those ships in relation to the rest of their fleet.
So why not give them to the Klingons?:p
There own wars of expansion, they are ment to be subdued and kinda cripled at the moment from the sto back story. and i dobut they would have though 'we are going to loose this war any way, lets not use our best ships to fight the klinks. lets make it easy for them'
i think they would have more need for sci ships for them selves, to to reconstruct the tech inferstructure and find resources to rebuild. and escorts to, well, escort these sci ships, so crusers could be seen as surplus.
i suppose i think of the damage done to the gorn by the klinks as more devistating than you do, i think they are unlikely to surrender untill it's almost too late.
raptors died out b4 the KPG (comet) event.
and theres no gaurentee they would have developed tools, as they are mainly leg animals not arm. i.e. they use their feet to attack and eat with just mouth, hands are for griping food close and little more, so tools are unlikely to be a good solution, raptors would have (and probibly did) develope into birds, evidance exists that they had feathers. (btw raptor means bird of prey, not actualy relivant as it was a couisidance, person who named it had no idea how mny similarities they had, watch jurassic park 2 for prty accurate details) (theres some very basic science for you, feel free to ignor it)
It's not like the did not use them to fight the Klingons but since it's a support ship it is more likely for them to escape from a losing battle than the average cruiser that's stuck between several enemy ships.
Besides when a battle is already lost it's logical to cover the escape of your most valuable assets so they might live to fight in another battle where they would matter more than be slaughtered in mere seconds in an already lost one.
When you look at the texts in the Federation campaign you'll notice they mention that the Klingons inspired the Gorn to launch their own wars to reclaim planets that used to belong to them centuries ago.
So I did not make that up out of thin air.
We're not at the end of the road and we'll probably get one.
I'm just not sure we'll get one that is very similar to the ones we already have.
I explained my ideas for an Orion science-type ship and the reasoning behind them
on other threads a while ago.
I hope you do not mind that I will link to them so you can read up on them.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3042125&postcount=171
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3079823&postcount=98
I guess it's not quite what you have in mind for an Orion science ship but I hope you like it nonetheless...at least a little.
because orions are pretty and dont have to be smart, just devious
and gorn are ugly, so they have to be smart to make it into a successfull adult hood!
its just like highschool with the dumb jocks and cheerleaders and the ugly smart nerds!
or that new dr who episode this summer where the homo reptillians wake up and want the planet back from the dam dirty apes!