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Hey,
I'm using 8 plasma beam arrays right now, but I was thinking about turrets, I know they do less damage, I just wondering does anyone use them? are they good vs fighters or incoming plasma torps?
I'm using 8 plasma beam arrays right now, but I was thinking about turrets, I know they do less damage, I just wondering does anyone use them? are they good vs fighters or incoming plasma torps?
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It is... Actually more effective than my 6 beams and 2 torps cruiser.
Fighters, plasma torps etc got nothing on my turret cruiser. But it comes down to fast targeting really so someone using beams can shoot them down as well.
Rapid fire is indeed something you must have. The dmg numbers sometimes get bugged during battle for me because they go past so fast.
Only bad thing about turrets on a cruiser is the emanation points. Firing from the bridge and from the butt of the ship going right through the ship? *censor* yeah!
Try it before hating it, no? (just in general directed at everyone)
Something about having 360 degree of fire is just... Making me lazy.
Heck I often forget to drop the tricobalt mine. Just relying on the turrets for the kill.
Heavy torpedoes (like Tri-Cobalts) also have the potential to "Miss" a target even if they hit it. It's hard to tell because it shows as a grey text rather than a yellow one.
I will say that, from experience, turrets are a near-neccessity for Bird-of-Prey captains, and for any one piloting a Tactical Escort and below.
But as the Shoe of Deadliness(+3) said... Shields have to be down for it work.
Which is why turrets are awesome. I don't need to broadside anything to tear down shields with all weapons.
I have a retired Eng/Cruiser that uses 6 turrets and a fore and aft quantum launcher. And now I have a Tac/Cruiser at Captain level that uses 2 fore cannons, 2 fore photon torps, and 3 aft turrets. I like this build even better. I even received some comments on it when I was doing a Starbase 24 along side two other Cruiser captains that were using beams. They both wanted to know my equipment and build because I was destroying stuff just as fast as the couple of Escorts that were in the instance.
I obliged and didn't have the heart to tell them part of their DPS issues were due to the way they were flying their ships. They were pretty much flying how I was flying, attacking targets in their forward arc. For me, that was the way to fly, for them it was completely wrong. They needed to be broadsiding. You cannot expect to DPS when half your weapons are not shooting anything.
Oh I use rapid fire, but even without rapid fire I was out DPS'ing the beam cruisers, not because my build is so awesome, but because they weren't fly to their max potential. They should have been broadsiding but they weren't. In a nutshell, I had twice as many weapons shooting the targets.
youre getting more total damage on a target over time with all turrets because its ignoreing you, shrugging off your insignificant attacks, regenerating its shields and healing its hull. you have no burst, its never gonna die if it has any healing at all hehe. at least a beam torp setup can send in high yields and pop a beam overload to drop a shield face so they can hit the hull, every 30 seconds per rank of said abilities on hand.
Cannons and turrets get an unreasonably bad rep. Max DPS in one stituation does not equal best weapon overall
All ships can mount 'single' cannons (i.e. not DC or DHC, just 'cannon'). And all ships can mount turrets, which are cannons.
3x Phaser Dual Cannons Mk X
1x TriCobalt Torpedo Launcer Mk X
3x Phaser Turret Mk X
Not true, I ran an all-turret cruiser for about a week an racked up a pretty impressive number of escort kills. Most escorts expect to limit cruiser dps by staying out of the broadside. Not really possible with a turret boat.
FOMM + APA + CRF (and maybe GDF and tac team too) will shred an escort pretty quickly. And no amount of ducking and weaving will stop it.
Are you talking about PvP, or PvE escort kills with all-Turrent builds?
PvE easy escort kills i would understand, but wouldn't PvP players do something to counter all-Turrent Builds?
Yea, its called evading and getting out of range. Or a handy subnuke. Problem with loading up all those buffs at once is you got nothing left once they go into cool down. And cruisers lack the tac slots to chain up powers to fill in the off times.
And once those buffs drop a good escort just needs to load up their secondary chain of powers and go info for the kill while the cruiser is reloading.
What I want to say is that the escorts meowst likely use turrets and cannons, while the bigger ships should canon-wise (Trek canon, not cannon lol) use beams or dual beam banks and torpedoes ... if you want mines as well.
I think on the contrary that it is a good idea to come up with unexpected skills and weapon configurations, especially when you are into PvP.
People tend to expect that cruisers will be like that and do that and always are prepared and trained to handle just that... Not saying that "classical" configuration and optimizations are bad ( they have proven their worth after all ) but bringing a different variant or hybrid cruiser in the mix along other cruisers can bring an element of surprise and versatility that could shift the momentum toward your team.
A full turret/cannon cruiser cruising along a pack of three other classic beam boats certainly can enhance the overall capabilities of the group. Like in real life, all battleships were not designed the same, some had different perks. Some were armed more to defend against air attacks while some were armed to deal with other specific situations.
I am pretty sure that an all turret boat that uses Rapid Fire, Scatter shot and Attack Patterns can be of some use in a group.
I think that Turrets are good on starships that either turn really fast, or really slow. So for cruisers and escorts, these are really good. They also provide constant DPS damage, and so when combined with Rapid fire you can get some pretty high numbers, though, as far as I have heard, they take more energy per shot than normal cannons and beams (I don't exactly remember, I just remember cannons are more efficient than beams.)
Another good thing about turrets is that that constant damage is spread all across the ship, with my usual Excelsior/Sovereign build, my rear is always more powerful (in terms of beams) than my front. Because I usually use the Breen Transphasic Torpedo with them. So I think I might even out the damage by adding a turret. I have to say one thing, turrets definitely have their perks, and so should not be overlooked.