I'd picture the battle going something like this (if I commanded both ships):
The White Star evades most of the ISD's opening Turbolaser volley, using its manoeuvrability and speed. The ISD launches its TIE Interceptor squadrons (if we take an ISD during the class's prime time) which engage the White Star. The White Star is barely able to outrun them and fully able to outmanoeuvre them, while the ISD continues firing its Turbolaser batteries.
Now, I'm going to assume that the ISD's shields are at least as good as those of a Thirdspace craft here.
The White Star fires back, but is unable to penetrate the ISD's shields. However, because of the constant laser fire, the TIE fighters are now doing negligible damage, thanks to the White Star's semi-organic armour.
(The White Star would have to rely heavily on its manoeuvrability. Even a single Turbolaser hit would take it out of action.)
If the White Star successfully avoided the Turbolasers, it's probable that it would realise the Shield Generators weren't covered by the shield and attack them (in hopes of hitting a critical system). This would disable the shields.
Now, I don't know how strong the hull on ISD's are, but given an A-Wing was able to smash through the bridge of an SSD (which was an ISD super-sized), I'll assume that the White Star's weapons could burn through the Armour. As long as it could avoid being hit, it could beat the ISD.
The fight is pretty even. As long as the White Star can keep dodging the ISD's Turbolaser fire, it can win, however, the ISD could destroy the White Star immediately if it lands a direct hit.
Depending on the White Star's Commander, the White star could also use it's Jump Engines to open a Jump Point inside the ISD, ripping it apart instantly. However, the White Star can only do this once every 30 minutes, and any ship opening a Jump Point is vulnerable for a few moments due to the power drain. A lucky shot from the ISD in these moments would be terminal to the White Star.
Necro. Also, as far as I know, no part of most SW ships, including the ISD, is unshielded. And the SSD, you pretty much had an A-Wing ramming directly into the not-so-large bridge on the Executor after its shields were taken down.
As for turbolaser fire - if it can adapt to lasers, it'll have adapted to the turbolasers. They work on the same principles, only much bigger.
So while I'm not familiar with B5 -at all-, I think the White Star, whatever it is, is going to win. Assuming, of course, that they can penetrate the ISD's shields. If not, it's a stalemate.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Necro. Also, as far as I know, no part of most SW ships, including the ISD, is unshielded. And the SSD, you pretty much had an A-Wing ramming directly into the not-so-large bridge on the Executor after its shields were taken down.
As for turbolaser fire - if it can adapt to lasers, it'll have adapted to the turbolasers. They work on the same principles, only much bigger.
So while I'm not familiar with B5 -at all-, I think the White Star, whatever it is, is going to win. Assuming, of course, that they can penetrate the ISD's shields. If not, it's a stalemate.
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I totally agree with his analysis though. The White Star is incredibly maneuverable (I'm sure I've seen it rotate on it's own center of mass mid-flight to reverse course, rather than having to bank round...) and fast, so as long as it had a skilled pilot flying it, it is more than capable of flying circles round an ISD and a squadren of TIE fighters without risk of collision.
If the ISD was able to score a direct hit, then yes, the White Star would be destroyed. But. I don't have confidence in the Imperial Navy's ability to accurately hit such a fast moving ship (look at their inability to hit the Millenium Falcon in Empire Strikes Back... The White Star can maneuver just as well as that, if not more so...) so it would either be a case of the White Star wearing down the ISD, or a stalemate if it was not able to penetrate the ISD shields.
Ryan218 didn't resurrect the thread, someone else did that the last page back
I totally agree with his analysis though. The White Star is incredibly maneuverable (I'm sure I've seen it rotate on it's own center of mass mid-flight to reverse course, rather than having to bank round...) and fast, so as long as it had a skilled pilot flying it, it is more than capable of flying circles round an ISD and a squadren of TIE fighters without risk of collision.
If the ISD was able to score a direct hit, then yes, the White Star would be destroyed. But. I don't have confidence in the Imperial Navy's ability to accurately hit such a fast moving ship (look at their inability to hit the Millenium Falcon in Empire Strikes Back... The White Star can maneuver just as well as that, if not more so...) so it would either be a case of the White Star wearing down the ISD, or a stalemate if it was not able to penetrate the ISD shields.
I think the gunnery officers on ISD's must be Stormtroopers .
But yes, definitely a stalemate if not a victory for the White Star, and like I said, the White Star could pop that Jump Point right in the middle of the Star Destroyer.
As for the Armour adapting to the lasers and turbolasers... if you watch B5, then you'll notice that even after the White Star adapts to the Shadow Fighter weapons, it still has to avoid the beams and blasts from larger Shadow ships. The armour would get overwhelmed by the sheer energy output of the weapons. Same applies to the ISD's Turbolaser.
A better choice for BSG would've been the Cylon Baseship, packed full of firepower,lots of fighters and one key ability, how can you fight if your computer network has been taken down with a virus? All the Cylons have to do is hack the federation's computer network thus disabling their entire fleet which can then be destroyed at leisure.
The SSD from Star Wars, the exposed shield generator is a massive design flaw which can be exploited.
The White Star is awesome, I've seen them wipe out a vorlon outpost with relative ease, her battles with the Shadows were legendary
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Ryan218 didn't resurrect the thread, someone else did that the last page back
I totally agree with his analysis though. The White Star is incredibly maneuverable (I'm sure I've seen it rotate on it's own center of mass mid-flight to reverse course, rather than having to bank round...) and fast, so as long as it had a skilled pilot flying it, it is more than capable of flying circles round an ISD and a squadren of TIE fighters without risk of collision.
If the ISD was able to score a direct hit, then yes, the White Star would be destroyed. But. I don't have confidence in the Imperial Navy's ability to accurately hit such a fast moving ship (look at their inability to hit the Millenium Falcon in Empire Strikes Back... The White Star can maneuver just as well as that, if not more so...) so it would either be a case of the White Star wearing down the ISD, or a stalemate if it was not able to penetrate the ISD shields.
I am fully aware of this fact.
As for the analysis he provided, I already stated the key flaw in it - one that theraven2378 repeated - the shields on all SW ships I'm aware of fully envelop the ship.
I think the gunnery officers on ISD's must be Stormtroopers .
But yes, definitely a stalemate if not a victory for the White Star, and like I said, the White Star could pop that Jump Point right in the middle of the Star Destroyer.
As for the Armour adapting to the lasers and turbolasers... if you watch B5, then you'll notice that even after the White Star adapts to the Shadow Fighter weapons, it still has to avoid the beams and blasts from larger Shadow ships. The armour would get overwhelmed by the sheer energy output of the weapons. Same applies to the ISD's Turbolaser.
A better choice for BSG would've been the Cylon Baseship, packed full of firepower,lots of fighters and one key ability, how can you fight if your computer network has been taken down with a virus? All the Cylons have to do is hack the federation's computer network thus disabling their entire fleet which can then be destroyed at leisure.
The SSD from Star Wars, the exposed shield generator is a massive design flaw which can be exploited.
The White Star is awesome, I've seen them wipe out a vorlon outpost with relative ease, her battles with the Shadows were legendary
Yep, Star Trek ships are extremely vulnerable to hacking. Stargate or Star Wars ships would be the least likely to fall to such an attack.
As I said above, no SW ship I'm familiar with (and I'm familiar with quite a few :P) has shields that only protect PART of the ship. I don't understand why this belief has been stated twice by two different people.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Missing one from List.. The USS Enterprise Refit from ST II : TWOK.. "Enterprise Class"
9 Phaser banks with 2 emitters each bank and 2 Photons front (and non canon references to a rear firing torp, but that is debatable)..
I would have to go with the Enterprise class Enterprise with Kirk in command.. his years of experience dealing with Unknown threats trying to blow up the Enterprise (like the Doomsday Machine, or the Roms in Balance of Terror, or the various space bound creatures, Etc). would vastly outshine the experience of the other commanders / captains of the other ships..
Enterprise E would go down first probably with Piccard attempting to Negotiate. Everyone would focus fire on the Enterprise E.. Pop. The other ships would go next, except for the new movie Enterprise.. Phaser vs Laser.. lasers can't penetrate the Starfleet Shields where Phased energy lasers (Phasers) would rip the other ships apart.. thow in a few Photon Torpedos with their Anti-Matter warheads = them all dead..
the only good battle would be Kirk vs Kirk and New Enterprise vs TMP Enterprise.. the Senior kirk would win based on experience, but the battle would be good.
In TOS, Nuclear Weapons had little to no effect on the Shields.. Glactica would be SOL, especially with no shields..
Star Destroyer.. Only chance it would have would be ramming the smaller ships which would be a lot more maneuverable.. AKA large sitting duck with the Star Destroyer.. plus Lasers have no effect on Starfleet Sheilds.
It would boil down to Kirk Senior, vs Kirk nooby, vs Piccard... so warrior vs warrior vs diplomat.. 2 warriors would focus fire on the Ent E, Senior Kirk with vast amount of experience than both the Newb Kirk and Piccard combined would deal the killing shot on the Ent E.. thus Kirk vs Kirk.. Kirk Senior with the Exp would win.
The Wrath of Khan Enterprise is "Constitution-Class Refit," you idiot. Not Enterprise-Class. KNOW YOUR TREK! >=3
So, out of the following in an all out death match...which ship would win?
And the contenders are:
1)The ORIGINAL Enterprise
2)Enterprise E
3) The Battlestar Galactica(New Series)
4)The White Star (Babylon 5)
5)Star Destroyer
6)Talon (Farscape)
7)The NEW Enterprise from the recent movie
Give us your answer and you logic behind that reason. Lets...try and keep it semi....well, realistic. As realistic as you can get anyway as none of these ships exist.
I would have to go for the Battlestar Galactica. Its has a horrific amount of weaponry, stupidly thick hull and a fleet of fighters at its disposal.
Actually the Galactica would win, not for the reason you think though. It would win because it's the only one with weapons that could actually work in reality.
Personally for me, if the Enterprise-E or White where to win, it'll be for their superior technology and speed, able to out maneuver the other ships. Galactica and Star Destroyer would win only due to their superior fire power. The Talon from Farscape, I'm not sure of, since I didn't see much of the talon in Action. As for the Original and JJ-Abrams Enterprises, since they are 23rd century, I'm not so sure they could stand up to Enterprise-E, White Star, Galactica, or Star Destroyer. I think the two 1701 Enterprises would lose.
On a side note, what about adding other sci-fi ships? Like the Roger Young from Starship Troopers, or the Lexx from Tales from A Parallel Universe/Lexx TV Series? Or the Sulaco from ALIENS? Or the Ko-Dan Command Ship from The Last Starfighter? What about the Star Gate ships, like the Prometheus? Or Thor's Hammer Ship? The Goa'uld's Ha'Tak motherships? or the Ori?
Keep in mind that Star Trek vessels can attack at warp speeds.
Galactica's jump drive is faster and impossible to track when in operation
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
1: JJ Abrams Enterprise wins because newSpock is the hottest man alive
2: The Original Enterprise and the new Battlestar Galactica tie for second because you can't really choose between yummy 60s and sultry y2k in a battle of the smexy.
3: The Talon gets third because several of the Farscape crew are pretty bangin'
4: Enterprise E and the Star Destroyer tie for "not worst" despite their crew not having much sex appeal at all, because...
5: The White Star gets last because oh my god have you seen their hair?
"But wait, Guriphu, shouldn't we be comparing these with math and calculations from dialog and on screen effects and such?"
No, that would be silly. Sexiness of actors is a directly observable quantity which does not vary from scene to scene, and is clearly the main method by which victory is determined in all their respective universes. A ship's capabilities may change from one scene to the next - acellerating halfway across a star system in a few minutes, then lumbering around like an ocean-going battleship, or being hundreds of thousands of kilometers apart in dialog, but only a few hundred meters apart on screen. But one factor remains constant. As a wise man once said,
"We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so...very...pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."
Yeah, so you can hack into some systems, but you can't outright disable the stuff like you would with Star Trek ships.
One could argue that because a Wraith virus can take control of the Daedalus, the Wraith also disagree. :rolleyes:
Edit: However, when I think about it more carefully, the BC-304 would need some considerable security improvements in order to survive such an attack, for the same reason as any ST ship. Same goes for all other SG ships.
But SW ships, while they may be somewhat weakened, will still be able to fire weapons - and, quite possibly, maintain their shields and maneuver.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I'm gonna have say Galactica because of one key point, the reason Galactica survived was because her computer wasn't networked, same with Pegasus, her computer network was offline when she survived. Star Trek ships are pretty much dependant on computer networks.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
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Necro. Also, as far as I know, no part of most SW ships, including the ISD, is unshielded. And the SSD, you pretty much had an A-Wing ramming directly into the not-so-large bridge on the Executor after its shields were taken down.
As for turbolaser fire - if it can adapt to lasers, it'll have adapted to the turbolasers. They work on the same principles, only much bigger.
So while I'm not familiar with B5 -at all-, I think the White Star, whatever it is, is going to win. Assuming, of course, that they can penetrate the ISD's shields. If not, it's a stalemate.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I totally agree with his analysis though. The White Star is incredibly maneuverable (I'm sure I've seen it rotate on it's own center of mass mid-flight to reverse course, rather than having to bank round...) and fast, so as long as it had a skilled pilot flying it, it is more than capable of flying circles round an ISD and a squadren of TIE fighters without risk of collision.
If the ISD was able to score a direct hit, then yes, the White Star would be destroyed. But. I don't have confidence in the Imperial Navy's ability to accurately hit such a fast moving ship (look at their inability to hit the Millenium Falcon in Empire Strikes Back... The White Star can maneuver just as well as that, if not more so...) so it would either be a case of the White Star wearing down the ISD, or a stalemate if it was not able to penetrate the ISD shields.
I think the gunnery officers on ISD's must be Stormtroopers
But yes, definitely a stalemate if not a victory for the White Star, and like I said, the White Star could pop that Jump Point right in the middle of the Star Destroyer.
As for the Armour adapting to the lasers and turbolasers... if you watch B5, then you'll notice that even after the White Star adapts to the Shadow Fighter weapons, it still has to avoid the beams and blasts from larger Shadow ships. The armour would get overwhelmed by the sheer energy output of the weapons. Same applies to the ISD's Turbolaser.
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The SSD from Star Wars, the exposed shield generator is a massive design flaw which can be exploited.
The White Star is awesome, I've seen them wipe out a vorlon outpost with relative ease, her battles with the Shadows were legendary
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I am fully aware of this fact.
As for the analysis he provided, I already stated the key flaw in it - one that theraven2378 repeated - the shields on all SW ships I'm aware of fully envelop the ship.
Good point.
Yep, Star Trek ships are extremely vulnerable to hacking. Stargate or Star Wars ships would be the least likely to fall to such an attack.
As I said above, no SW ship I'm familiar with (and I'm familiar with quite a few :P) has shields that only protect PART of the ship. I don't understand why this belief has been stated twice by two different people.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
The Wrath of Khan Enterprise is "Constitution-Class Refit," you idiot. Not Enterprise-Class. KNOW YOUR TREK! >=3
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R2D2 disagrees.
Actually the Galactica would win, not for the reason you think though. It would win because it's the only one with weapons that could actually work in reality.
On a side note, what about adding other sci-fi ships? Like the Roger Young from Starship Troopers, or the Lexx from Tales from A Parallel Universe/Lexx TV Series? Or the Sulaco from ALIENS? Or the Ko-Dan Command Ship from The Last Starfighter? What about the Star Gate ships, like the Prometheus? Or Thor's Hammer Ship? The Goa'uld's Ha'Tak motherships? or the Ori?
What about those guys? =/
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Galactica's jump drive is faster and impossible to track when in operation
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2: The Original Enterprise and the new Battlestar Galactica tie for second because you can't really choose between yummy 60s and sultry y2k in a battle of the smexy.
3: The Talon gets third because several of the Farscape crew are pretty bangin'
4: Enterprise E and the Star Destroyer tie for "not worst" despite their crew not having much sex appeal at all, because...
5: The White Star gets last because oh my god have you seen their hair?
"But wait, Guriphu, shouldn't we be comparing these with math and calculations from dialog and on screen effects and such?"
No, that would be silly. Sexiness of actors is a directly observable quantity which does not vary from scene to scene, and is clearly the main method by which victory is determined in all their respective universes. A ship's capabilities may change from one scene to the next - acellerating halfway across a star system in a few minutes, then lumbering around like an ocean-going battleship, or being hundreds of thousands of kilometers apart in dialog, but only a few hundred meters apart on screen. But one factor remains constant. As a wise man once said,
"We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so...very...pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."
Yeah, so you can hack into some systems, but you can't outright disable the stuff like you would with Star Trek ships.
One could argue that because a Wraith virus can take control of the Daedalus, the Wraith also disagree. :rolleyes:
Edit: However, when I think about it more carefully, the BC-304 would need some considerable security improvements in order to survive such an attack, for the same reason as any ST ship. Same goes for all other SG ships.
But SW ships, while they may be somewhat weakened, will still be able to fire weapons - and, quite possibly, maintain their shields and maneuver.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius