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edited March 2010 in Klingon Discussion
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Welcome to the 21st installment of Ask Cryptic, where we put the questions you ask to our development team. In this issue we are focusing our discussion on Klingons. Read more to learn about Star Trek Online!


Ripcurl: Cryptic used to be known widely for offering deep customization in their games yet the Klingon side (especially the females) has barely any customization besides the alien species options we borrowed from the Feds creator. So I would like to know if/when we will finally get more customization option love on our side?

You can expect to see more customization to all species in the Klingon Alliance, both male and female, as well as Klingon ships. This will occur with most of the major updates.

This is a question about fluff rather than content. Fine. Let's get that out of the way and get to the good stuff....

Ripcurl: Mek'leth's, when/will/can we have them? Please? The art is already in the game and the NPC's already have animations using them against us, so it doesn't seem like something that would be super hard to give us for some alternatives from each other. Any chances of getting other melee weapon types other species might have used (Nausicaan Energy Lance that's in the art book maybe)?

The short answer is yes. In an upcoming update, we have plans for more m
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Incidentally, 3 sided PvP maps really do sound great. That might make for a nice challenge when it's 1 pre-made and 2 pugs -- as the pre-made starts dominating the two pug teams from the other two factions will most likely end up working together, incidentally if not on purpose. (They could actually implement these maps now if they wanted -- 1 Fed team and 2 Klingon 'Houses'!)

    I'm just afraid that since they require a whole other faction, we are looking towards a period of time which is almost certainly well beyond my ability to keep repeating the current deathmatch PvP maps.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That thread was more than ten pages long - not only did they pick out the least telling of questions but so did they answer them in the most predictable way imaginable. Did any of us really doubt that they were going to eventually do any of these things? Since they're not really going to give us any answers, dates, or explanations I suggest they refrain from hosting these little Q&A sessions and put out a page every few weeks that says "We're going to add content". Same message, less fluff. Maybe with the saved time they could fix a bug or two....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    A persistent territory game is being worked on

    mmmm I like the sound of that, mix that with 3 factions and this could be a winner, worked for Planetside.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    yeah you think the Q system is messed up w/just 2 factions....but 3? lmfao! i'd really like to see it, but only after a lot of work is done to the Queue.

    agreed, nothing new here that can't be garnered from looking at the release notes, state of the game, and that new 'tentative calendar' they have up.

    granted, they're working on a lot of stuff right now, but.....
    we're tired of hearing, 'it's in the works!'
    disapointment.

    hope the guys at CS are enjoying those Atari bonuses from getting the game out in time.
    hope they remember who's paying for them....

    and i dont mean Fed subscribers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Lugh: When will that Federation woman be forced to be quiet and a proper Klingons voice becomes my computer?

    We have been studying the Klingon computers, and we are close to unraveling the viral matrix that has replaced the voice of the Klingon computer with that of the Federation. Assuming there is no further trickery by the Federation, Klingon Captains should hear more suitable notifications in the near future.

    Fluff!
    .

    Thats not Fluff to me , thats ceereeiclae business Dont want no starfleet lady talking in my Klingon ship:mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It's nice to see they used my question about meaningful PVP. It would've been nice though had they actually ANSWERED it.

    Like Slamz said, all we now know is that we won't be invading Sol and, according to this, "PvP in STO will always be consensual."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Rienen: Many Klingon players are concerned about the lack of purpose in the current PVP system and what it means to the future of the Empire. Are there any plans to provide a more meaningful PVP system, such as "Open PvP" zones or capturable systems/planets/starbases that would then provide faction bonuses and rewards for holding?

    I don't think it would be likely that we will ever allow the Klingons to invade Earth Space Doc as a random open world event. PvP in STO will always be consensual.

    This question and answer reminds me of this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Rienen wrote: »
    It's nice to see they used my question about meaningful PVP. It would've been nice though had they actually ANSWERED it.

    Like Slamz said, all we now know is that we won't be invading Sol and, according to this, "PvP in STO will always be consensual."

    I had the same with the Ask Cryptic skills.

    They answered a different question to what was asked.

    I think it maybe a suggestion that they work with some community representatives or something before just posting these or at least pass them round for some proof reading.

    Its a situation which they should not be in. After all they get to pick the questions they want answering so why pick questions you cant / dont answer?

    /facepalm
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It was a bit naff all the big questions didn't get answered or given a very weak response. I would have asumed that they would have had some decent answers for us and thats why they invited our questions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Kryostorm wrote: »
    mmmm I like the sound of that, mix that with 3 factions and this could be a winner, worked for Planetside.

    agreed fighting for the space we play in would be so cool
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Agree it was mostly fluff(pink with long lashes and puppy eyes), but its a start. I wish they'd be more direct when it comes to the PvP details and territory capture content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think when this question was asked, Cryptic did not understand what was being asked:

    Rienen: Many Klingon players are concerned about the lack of purpose in the current PVP system and what it means to the future of the Empire. Are there any plans to provide a more meaningful PVP system, such as "Open PvP" zones or capturable systems/planets/starbases that would then provide faction bonuses and rewards for holding?
    I don't think it would be likely that we will ever allow the Klingons to invade Earth Space Doc as a random open world event. PvP in STO will always be consensual.

    The person asking the question did not ask if Klingons could attack Earth. They asked for an open Pvp zone. My understanding is that a sector could be created with planets that Fed and Klingons could fight for control over. It would be "consensual" because players would not have to go there if they did not want to. The captured system could give bonuses (at least in that one sector) to the controlling faction. This would not involve Earth or Qos'nos.

    -Keppoch
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The person asking the question has no interest in the KDF. How is this person picked? Out of 10 pages we get questions that are 90 percent fluff questions. No hard questions were asked, no follow ups.

    Yeah we get that sparkles will get in game for us. Most of us don't care that much about the sparkles but the real content and pvp.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    My two complaints / concerns revolve around two things that were answered in the Ask Cryptic.
    HyenaZERO: Female Gorn? Ever?

    Probably not.

    Why not? So we've never seen a female Gorn, Lethean or Nausicaan before but I'm sure there are females that want to play the female version of those races. Every race should have male and female counterparts. No it doesn't have to be a dinosaur with TRIBBLE.. there are ways to differentiate gender that go beyond the generic features on the body.
    Chaktak: Will we see any other ships and clothing added to our faction, so an Orion can be made to look like one, and actually be able to fly an Orion ship? Right now the other side races in the Klingon faction seem to be all Klingon step children. And it would add greatly to immersion if the other races were more stand alone, if you know what I mean.

    It has been considered, but right now it is more important to offer more customization to the existing Klingon ships. I don’t think Orions, Nausicaans and Gorn are anymore stepchildren to the Klingons then Vulcans, Andorians or Bajorans are to the Federation. That being said, one of the things we want to do is add more ship types at the end game. There is no reason some of those ships can't be Orion, Nausicaan and Gorn ships for the Klingon side.

    Wait... so if the Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn aren't stepchildren to the Klingons anymore... why do we fight their ships for entire 'first season' of the game? There's no way the Klingons would have as much resources as the Federation and I think they would probably turn to those other species to help bolster their ship armada.. to be honest I don't think the Klingons would really care what ship you're in whether it be Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion or Klingon... as long as you kick some Federation TRIBBLE..

    The excuse to not include these ships is very lame and should be rethought. MANY people want those ships as part of the Klingon Faction. Please for the love of all that is good or Klingon... I don't even play the Klingons most of the time.. but please look into other games that are successful to see how a two faction system works.

    /end rant and Tellarite nerd rage.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I like this:
    Rienen: Many Klingon players are concerned about the lack of purpose in the current PVP system and what it means to the future of the Empire. Are there any plans to provide a more meaningful PVP system, such as "Open PvP" zones or capturable systems/planets/starbases that would then provide faction bonuses and rewards for holding?

    I don't think it would be likely that we will ever allow the Klingons to invade Earth Space Doc as a random open world event. PvP in STO will always be consensual.

    They actually don't answer the question. I figured that they were side-stepping something they just wanted to avoid talking about. However, later on in the segment:
    GreatMaker69: Will Cryptic ever have more PVP events like the one at the end of Open Beta?

    We have plans for a bunch of new PvP maps and even some PvP events down the line. There are lots of new PvP features, and new space and ground games planned. A persistent territory game is being worked on, but a release date has not yet been determined. We plan on supporting PvP gameplay on a regular basis.

    That question is answered partly with the answer to the previous question I quoted. Now I think that whoever was answering these is quite confused, possibly about PvP in general, an defiantly about the specific question.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I like this:


    They actually don't answer the question. I figured that they were side-stepping something they just wanted to avoid talking about. However, later on in the segment:


    That question is answered partly with the answer to the previous question I quoted. Now I think that whoever was answering these is quite confused, possibly about PvP in general, an defiantly about the specific question.

    It's like they mixed up the answers for my and GreatMaker's questions. I talked pvp zones and get told about earth space dock. He mentions The End of Beta event and gets told about persistant pvp.

    I know the Klingons don't have the majority of their in-game content QA'd, but could we at least have gotten our Klingon specific "Ask Cryptic" QA'd? :)

    I agree with everyone who mentioned it, but the lack of follow-ups really kills this community "feature". They get to pick only the questions they want to answer, knowing that even if they "talk around" the question, they (and the apologists) can say "We've already answered that".

    I'm certainly glad they took the time to answer our questions, but it would've been nice if less fluff was picked (and answers put with their proper questions ;) ).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pak'ing: I know there are concerns with developers' abilities to answer questions instead of pursuing"straw men" or "red herrings". Do you feel this problem exists, and is there anything being done about it?

    Good question! We actually had a hair stylist on the premises. His name was Paco, and he worked laboriously over our customization developer's backs day in and day out. Our lead customization personnel have grown quite attached to Paco's euphemisms, and we hope to have him come again this month so he can "do Klingons over"!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    JPJappic wrote: »
    Wait... so if the Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn aren't stepchildren to the Klingons anymore... why do we fight their ships for entire 'first season' of the game? There's no way the Klingons would have as much resources as the Federation and I think they would probably turn to those other species to help bolster their ship armada.. to be honest I don't think the Klingons would really care what ship you're in whether it be Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion or Klingon... as long as you kick some Federation TRIBBLE..

    The excuse to not include these ships is very lame and should be rethought. MANY people want those ships as part of the Klingon Faction. Please for the love of all that is good or Klingon... I don't even play the Klingons most of the time.. but please look into other games that are successful to see how a two faction system works.

    /end rant and Tellarite nerd rage.

    Count me in. I'm one of those people that want ship variety. Its just not conceivable to me that the Klingon Empire would let all these aliens and Orion Slave girls pilot Klingon vessels. I'm hoping the folks at Cryptic will change their minds and ad at least a few Orion and Nausican ships as choices for the KDF pilots.

    Oh and the o the OP..PVE for Klingons is a very, very important issue. I see questions about it regularly when playing Klingon Side. Especially to new players entering Q'onos or the first time. More options to get gear and level up other than waiting forever in PvP queues..is good.

    And I so hope this ends up being a 4 faction game. 4-sided PvP sounds like fun....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    aktak: Will we see any other ships and clothing added to our faction, so an Orion can be made to look like one, and actually be able to fly an Orion ship? Right now the other side races in the Klingon faction seem to be all Klingon step children. And it would add greatly to immersion if the other races were more stand alone, if you know what I mean.

    It has been considered, but right now it is more important to offer more customization to the existing Klingon ships. I don’t think Orions, Nausicaans and Gorn are anymore stepchildren to the Klingons then Vulcans, Andorians or Bajorans are to the Federation. That being said, one of the things we want to do is add more ship types at the end game. There is no reason some of those ships can't be Orion, Nausicaan and Gorn ships for the Klingon side.

    Ok lets see the Vulcans help earth design ships. the Bajorans really have no ship and the Andorians are the only race that a shown in their own ships and that was Enterprise. where as all the Klink races have been seen flying their own ships so its not even a good argumenton that one.

    Rienen: Many Klingon players are concerned about the lack of purpose in the current PVP system and what it means to the future of the Empire. Are there any plans to provide a more meaningful PVP system, such as "Open PvP" zones or capturable systems/planets/starbases that would then provide faction bonuses and rewards for holding?
    I don't think it would be likely that we will ever allow the Klingons to invade Earth Space Doc as a random open world event. PvP in STO will always be consensual.

    What the hell am i PVPing for? The Factions are supposed to be at war why would you not gain and lose ground on a galatic scale? Here's how ya do it. make it so that the Omega Leonis Sector (Klink) and the Sirius Sector (fed) can't change hands and that's it till other factions are playable then make those factions home sector non changeable and boom ya got a real reason to play pvp. You make it so the space sector has to be taken before the planets and bases Just like what would have to happen once that is done ya take that sector not that difficult. But ya wanna know how i know it'll NEVER happen.... the galaxy map isn't even right. how the hell did the klingons and romulans war for so may years being separated by the federation for pete's sake.

    Lack of good PVP is my problem i could honestly careless about PVE. but if i'm gonna pay the same amount as fed players are i want the same options as feds and that shoulda been there from the get go. dont plan on quitting or anything like that aint ****ed off by anymeans cause your not gonna find a complete game anymore for computers its gonna get patch after patch no matter the game. and i'm sure they are busy with bugs and such BUT it'd be nice to get what the feds had at launch instead of kilnks waiting for our content/fixes/updates while feds get all of it including new ships.

    Sub Zero
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I don't think it would be likely that we will ever allow the Klingons to invade Earth Space Doc as a random open world event. PvP in STO will always be consensual.

    Wouldn't a flaggd for PvP system be consensual PvP?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Wouldn't a flaggd for PvP system be consensual PvP?

    They screwed up and didnt use their canned reponses with the correct questions. My question was answered later in the feature. I believe this was the answer they meant for my question.
    We have plans for a bunch of new PvP maps and even some PvP events down the line. There are lots of new PvP features, and new space and ground games planned. A persistent territory game is being worked on, but a release date has not yet been determined. We plan on supporting PvP gameplay on a regular basis.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The Q&A was a complete waste of time. They answered no questions that would give anyone any reason to keep playing Klingon.

    After all the denial from Zinc that Klingons weren't monster play for people wanting a diversion from their Fed characters, that is EXACTLY all they are now, and all they'll ever be.

    Zinc, and the other Cryptic producers involved with decisions regarding the Klingon faction, should be ashamed of themselves for how they've bungled things. They don't deserve to call themselves game developers. They're amateurs without a clue. Completely without a clue. I'd say they were as dumb as a sack of hammers, except they were smart enough, and dishonest enough, to bilk a bunch of us out of our hard earned money in the end. I imagine that's one of the things they pat themselves on the back about. It must be, because there's not much else they could possibly be proud of.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The funny thing is there's actually some interesting sounding stuff on the test server for PvP. Looks like a new scenario map and supposedly one or two more "open PvP" maps.

    I don't understand why they don't talk about it in high-visibility stuff like "Ask Cryptic". The only people who care about new melee weapons or ship customization are the people who are so hooked, they'd keep playing anyway, but the people who are quitting or on the edge of doing so are not going to be swayed by fluff. They may be swayed by talking in depth about upcoming PvP content, though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That post had more fluff than a moon full of tribbles. KLINGONS DO NOT WANT TRIBBLES.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Slamz wrote:
    I don't understand why they don't talk about it in high-visibility stuff like "Ask Cryptic". The only people who care about new melee weapons or ship customization are the people who are so hooked, they'd keep playing anyway, but the people who are quitting or on the edge of doing so are not going to be swayed by fluff. They may be swayed by talking in depth about upcoming PvP content, though.


    That would mean they actually had a plan and it's not looking like they do. As you've rightfully pointed out most of this is fluff. They are more concerned about keeping Fed players happy then actually forming a true Klingon faction . It still amazes me that they have the gall to discuss other factions when they can't even do the Klingon faction correctly. It's becoming painfully obvious that they either don't have the ability or the engine is incapable of doing the things they thought.

    They are nerfing cannons , at least the reason given , because the Feds are burning through missions too quickly. What they should do is be honest , but I'm not sure they can be this far in, and say there are builds out there that are not functioning as intended.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Fluff or not they did say this about pvp...
    a bunch of new PvP maps and even some PvP events down the line. There are lots of new PvP features, and new space and ground games planned. A persistent territory game is being worked on

    The next step for them should be to show us these improvements. They should do a feature on how they are planning to improve PvP.
    • Screenshots or video walkthroughs of new maps.
    • Developer commentary/write-ups on the new space and ground pvp games.
    • Developer commentary/write-ups on the direction they plan on taking "persistent territories" and how they plan on implementing them.

    I know that sounds simple enough, but those kind of things would do volumes to ease people's minds and show that Cryptic has a direction for where they are wanting PVP (and in turn Klingons) to go.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, I don't think I will ever get into the Cardassian/ Dominion faction now. This game is ok and everything, but it's even less finished than swg emu(at least the klingon side).
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