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ATTENTION DEVS: We want patch notes with EACH and EVERY patch!
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You did this all through open beta, random patches, we're forced to download them if we want to continue playing, but we have no idea what you're doing!
Are you nerfing us? Buffing the mobs? Making space combat so pathetic that the average player can do it in his or her sleep? Buffing boarding parties to infinity and beyond (/buzz lightyear voice)? Adding extremely annoying sound effects that are produced if we push a hot key for a beam weapon or projectile that is on cooldown? Fixing bugs?
We want to know! Each and every time, not just when you feel like it! And add a link on the launcher for the patch notes so we can read it while it patches!!!!
Are you nerfing us? Buffing the mobs? Making space combat so pathetic that the average player can do it in his or her sleep? Buffing boarding parties to infinity and beyond (/buzz lightyear voice)? Adding extremely annoying sound effects that are produced if we push a hot key for a beam weapon or projectile that is on cooldown? Fixing bugs?
We want to know! Each and every time, not just when you feel like it! And add a link on the launcher for the patch notes so we can read it while it patches!!!!
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Im paying for a product and service, so everything is relevant to me; even if it is stability related.
they're patching the game WE are PAYING for so its relevant to ME. I guess its not relevant to you as you dont care about the quality of service your paying for with your's or whoever's money but I do.
No. No it isn't in any way, shape or form. You really need to drop that entitlement attitude you have.
They said it was a full server stability patch. thats ALL you need to know.
then don't pay gtfo this game if your going to bit_h about every little thing, what do you want? them to come knock at your door drive you too their office and brief you on every little tiny thing?
my 2 cents
nope sorry, not leaving.
I expect them to provide a quality product, no more no less.
If you don't mind not having a quality product then go back to WoW.
If that's going to be the norm, I'm not going to play the game. It's annoying to me and it's my money. Cryptic is not 'entitled' to my money
Give the guys a break I say.
You have a point, but paying for a product/service doesn't automatically convey you the right to be a big douchebag about every little thing. Maybe try a different tone rather than the "gimmie gimmie gimmie I DEMAND" tone your original post takes. Catch more flies with honey, and all that.
Game balancing decisions? Yes. I agree those should be communicated, and I think all signs point toward this happening, based on the patch notes we got on the beta. But really, when a hotfix comes down the pipe to fix a tiny crash bug that was introduced by a typo in the previous patch and that 0.1% of the player base was going to hit but never had a chance to because the patch was released so soon? Not a big deal. Cryptic has better things to do than tell you every little thing they're working on.
If the things they are updating are server-side only or related to things that we have no control over or is a behind the scene fix, then just saying so in the announcement is sufficient.
Secondary to this is the fact that patch notes generated for public consumption take a LONG TIME to generate. What we see as a 2 or 3 page document actually starts out at 10-20 pages, mostly of information that the devs need to know, but maybe aren't suitable for public consumption, or is very insignificant. On the last, for example, do you really (and I mean REALLY) want to wade through 2 or 3 pages of patch notes that cover mispelling or grammar corrections? Trimming the minutiae takes a lot of time, and it's usually done by only one person who has other responsibilities. And given that we JUST launched (albeit a pre-launch), there is a lot going on for the folks at Cryptic, and I'm reasonably sure that at this point in the launch, patch notes might be a pretty low priority.
Actually, no you are not paying for the game. What you have and are paying for is a license to posses a specified copy of the game and to install and play the game on one computer and you are paying for access to the servers that have the game running on them. Cryptic owns the game lock stock and barrel, the IP is owned by its owner and they license the IP to Cryptic. A license is a permit to use not proof of ownership. Thus, Cryptic does not have to tell you about patch notes nor do they have to post them.
If you read the license, TOS and UA you might learn something.
I am not a lawyer, you want a legal opinion go pay an Attorney.
Are we so picky we need to know every time a game file in the client changes? All the major stuff is server side as it is. I don't want patch notes stating "Changed dimension of Federation UI corner piece #17 from 10/11 pixels to 10X10 pixels'
Thisa is one of the most self-centered things I've ever heard.
Does your bank notify you if it changes a manager? NO, it does not.
If your car manufacturer makes a minor design change during your car's model year do they notify you? NO, they do not.
Does Microsoft notify you when they find a new security flaw? NO, they do not.
If a airline changes a flight time, do they notify you BEFORE you get to the airport? NO, they do not.
'Nuff said - you don't need to be informed about every little thing. You're not part of Cryptic, you license a service fromt hem. They are not obligated to tell you everythign they do internally. That's even why most MMOs have a clause int heir Terms of Service that state explicitly that things in-game may change without warning - to cover themselves from backseat drivers like yourself.
Buy Cryptic out, THEN you can demand such things. Until then, HTFU and STFU.
I have to agree with this, They are working very hard, they even got server up again after maintaince after 1h and 15m, and not the said 2h.
Thier is, its the Release Notes button
And i agree, i would like patch notes.
it's the not knowing that is hard to accept.
if it was just server stability stuff, why not make a patch note saying as such? If it was an escort nerf, I want to know that as well since I plan on going escort. NO ONE can really know for sure if they arent being clear with us.
I agree that they're loaded up too. I'd worry more about patch notes after the 2nd. Then I'd expect to see them more often (if not every time they patch).
Until then, game on!
Even if it's just:
Cleaned up some graphics tables.
Or something benign like that.
a pointless and immature thread.
You use the term WE a lot but it seems WE all agree to disagree with you.
Get a grip its a new game.
Since obviously you need to have it spelled out, here ya go:
You paid $60 as a one-time fee to acquire the LICENSE for the game. You do NOT own any of the game assets, they belong to Cryptic. You paid for the ability to use them without having legal types beating a path to your door.
Your $15/month is paying for Cryptic to provide you access to the game servers. ThAT'S IT - a monthly rental fee, if you will. It's treated as such legally, in any case. Cease paying the fee, you lose access to the servers.
And this is where you goo off-track. You do not have a NEED to know, Cryptic need not notify you of ANYTHING. All they have to do for the money you put out is provide a working set of assets, and access to the servers. They "need" do nothing else. They may CHOOSE to, but the choice is theirs and any "demand" you put on them has no legal weight. Just ask Blizzard, who is notoriously tight-lipped about minor patches with it's MMO.
The catchall clause in most Terms of Service pretty much sums it up: The game play experience can change at any time without noptification.
TBH, the only real recourse you have is to stop playing, stop paying your $15/month, and lose access to the servers. It's Cryptic's ball game, their rules and their choices - not yours.
And please, no nonsense about "free speech" - free speech doesn't appply to a privatel area like this Forum - it only restricts the federal government. Read the Bill of Rights sometime.
You can always cancel your subscription and let your wallet do the talking for you. Then again, the loss of $15 a month from a kid having a hissy fit, is worth having one less nerd rager on the forums...
If they fixed the exploit then it doesnt matter where it WAS found as its fixed, duh.
And if they want to be as precise as to say "Changed dimension of Federation UI corner piece #17 from 10/11 pixels to 10X10 pixels' then let them, I'm not so picky as to tell them how to word their patch notes, but if you are then start your own thread, thats off topic here.
They could also say, fixed fed UI to fit better. Or fixed an exploit that some were using in pvp to ________. But like I said if they want to be super detailed about it, more power to them, just as long as there's some kind of patch notes.
yes it is what if it means we need to change drivers on our cards like if they fix issue that was making people do rollbacks. SO EVERY patch is relevant:mad:.
Does your bank notify you if it changes a manager? NO, it does not. (NO BUT THEY POST IT)
If your car manufacturer makes a minor design change during your car's model year do they notify you? NO, they do not.(NO BUT THEY POST IT)
Does Microsoft notify you when they find a new security flaw? NO, they do not.(NO BUT THEY FIX IT THEN POST IT)
If a airline changes a flight time, do they notify you BEFORE you get to the airport? NO, they do not. (YEA, AND PEOPLE LOVE THE AIRLINES BECAUSE OF THEIR GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE)
'Nuff said - you don't need to be informed about every little thing. (SOME PEOPLE DO) You're not part of Cryptic, you license a service fromt hem. They are not obligated to tell you everythign they do internally. (MAYBE NOT OBLIGATGED BUT IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO KEEP THEIR CUSTOMER BASE THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD TAKE GOOD ADVISE) That's even why most MMOs have a clause int heir Terms of Service that state explicitly that things in-game may change without warning - to cover themselves from backseat drivers like yourself.(ITS FINE IF THINGS CHANGE, MANY PLAYERS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE)
Buy Cryptic out, THEN you can demand such things. Until then, HTFU and STFU. (IF YOU WONT EVEN HEAR OUT HIS OPINION AND ADVISE WHY WOULD YOU THINK HE WOULD LISTEN TO YOUR GENIUS ADVISE OF STFU)"
Every ones looking for something different in a game. Don't hate on people because they want to know the rules of the game they are playing. I for one would like to know when things change in the game, doest matter if they are small or major changes.