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guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
With the new auto fitting an EV suit (QoL Mechanic) getting a rebreather on any toon apart from a Romulan is now impossible,
I believe having the Auto fitting EV suit as a Tickable Option in game Options would be a better use for this QoL Mechanic.
What do you think?

Would you prefer to have the Auto Fitting EV suits as an Optional in ingame Options 12 votes

Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
83%
protoneousbaronvonboomthay8472zzzspina01stolokrangeramongyouguyc71unclegoldiethedarkestsmurfshrimphead2015 10 votes
No, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would not be better.
16%
davefenestratormajorcharvenak 2 votes
Post edited by baddmoonrizin on

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,914 Community Moderator
    This is not a bug. Thread /moved to General Discussion.
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  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2023
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    This is not a bug. Thread /moved to General Discussion.

    Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!

  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,974 Arc User
    edited October 2023
    > @guyc71 said:
    > Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    > so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!

    A bug is never purposefully coded. If anything this might be an oversight.

    P.S. I find the poll biased.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    edited October 2023
    I liked having manual control over the EV suit and there are still situations where it could be useful (e.g. certain areas on Nukara where you can float in transparent lava and not die or beam out due to taking minute damage).

    That being said, i am sure everyone has had more than once encounter with someone running into a Nukara TFO map without an activated EV suit before they were automatic.

    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,914 Community Moderator
    guyc71 wrote: »
    This is not a bug. Thread /moved to General Discussion.

    Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!

    "Purposefully coded"... the very definition of NOT a bug.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,374 Arc User
    Now apart from looks and few edge cases (where you would want to be able to take damage from some hazards but not all), I don't really see why you'd need rebreathers as EV suits do everything they do and more.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,664 Arc User
    edited October 2023
    No, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would not be better.
    Nope. It was fun to intentionally die on Nukara but not enough to spend developer time on it.

    If some collectors "need" to own a rebreather then maybe add it to the replicator? Or just accept that some items become obsolete as the game evolves.
  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,159 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    Yes, this mechanic "bugs" me. I think it's invasive to be "forced" to wear an EV suit when a simple re-breather is often all that's needed. This reminds me of the silly seat belt laws that came into effect in the 1970's.
  • stolokstolok Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    Yes, we need to be able to use breathers when it's just gases. Remember, the EV suit replaces your armor and breaks set bonuses when activated. That can be a problem for many builds, and it's almost always a loss of armor effectiveness.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    Why not just rename "Re-Breathers" to "Life Support Belts" (canon now from TOS) - make them work in any hostile STO game environment; and then allow them to be slotted in the EVA character slot.

    Does it really take that much STO Dev time to alter a few entries/properties in their item database?
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,696 Arc User
    unequp the ev suit run the mission to get the rebreather. WFIW I have never found the rebreathers except as a romulan
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  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    guyc71 wrote: »
    This is not a bug. Thread /moved to General Discussion.

    Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!

    "Purposefully coded"... the very definition of NOT a bug.

    Bug is the only thing we are able to report, also saying bug instead of F..K Up, is more polite.
    Because adding in this QoL code has Bugged/F..K'd Up every other toon except romulans from being able to receive a rebreather,
    Hence, as i called it a Purposefully Coded Bug. which it is.
    and the easiest way to debug this added Purposefull QoL coding, would be to have it made as an optional choice, in ingame options.

  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    stolok wrote: »
    Yes, we need to be able to use breathers when it's just gases. Remember, the EV suit replaces your armor and breaks set bonuses when activated. That can be a problem for many builds, and it's almost always a loss of armor effectiveness.

    Exactly, the point of having rebreathers on all toons and boffs, to use the set bonuses,
    You get it :smile:

  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    unequp the ev suit run the mission to get the rebreather. WFIW I have never found the rebreathers except as a romulan

    Unequiping your suit, makes no difference, when spawning into a toxic environment,
    even with all your EV suits in your bank, the game auto slots a cheap EV suit,
    hence my poll and post :)

  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,914 Community Moderator
    guyc71 wrote: »
    guyc71 wrote: »
    This is not a bug. Thread /moved to General Discussion.

    Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!

    "Purposefully coded"... the very definition of NOT a bug.

    Bug is the only thing we are able to report, also saying bug instead of F..K Up, is more polite.
    Because adding in this QoL code has Bugged/F..K'd Up every other toon except romulans from being able to receive a rebreather,
    Hence, as i called it a Purposefully Coded Bug. which it is.
    and the easiest way to debug this added Purposefull QoL coding, would be to have it made as an optional choice, in ingame options.

    This is a polling thread, though. Not something that goes in the Bug Reports subforum. This sort of opinion seeking is best done in General Discussion.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,664 Arc User
    No, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would not be better.
    guyc71 wrote: »
    stolok wrote: »
    Yes, we need to be able to use breathers when it's just gases. Remember, the EV suit replaces your armor and breaks set bonuses when activated. That can be a problem for many builds, and it's almost always a loss of armor effectiveness.

    Exactly, the point of having rebreathers on all toons and boffs, to use the set bonuses,
    You get it :smile:

    Only wearing an oxy mask makes no sense for Nukara, the Tholian ship, spacewalking with Kurland Here, etc.

    Aside from the Elachi episodes, where is wearing a rebreather enough to protect you?

  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    guyc71 wrote: »
    guyc71 wrote: »
    This is not a bug. Thread /moved to General Discussion.

    Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!

    "Purposefully coded"... the very definition of NOT a bug.

    Bug is the only thing we are able to report, also saying bug instead of F..K Up, is more polite.
    Because adding in this QoL code has Bugged/F..K'd Up every other toon except romulans from being able to receive a rebreather,
    Hence, as i called it a Purposefully Coded Bug. which it is.
    and the easiest way to debug this added Purposefull QoL coding, would be to have it made as an optional choice, in ingame options.

    This is a polling thread, though. Not something that goes in the Bug Reports subforum. This sort of opinion seeking is best done in General Discussion.

    Ok that makes sense, maybe I should make a new non poll bug post,
    but also i wanted to know other players thought's on this hence the Poll.
    because if this is/was the Dev's intention to stopping all toons from getting the rebreather,
    then why did they keep the Rebreather in game as an award in the Romulan "Vengeance" mission chain.
    And if the Romulans can have them, why not all toons, like in the past.
    The easiest way around this error/issue/bug would be to add the auto EV fitting as an ingame optional choice.


  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    guyc71 wrote: »
    stolok wrote: »
    Yes, we need to be able to use breathers when it's just gases. Remember, the EV suit replaces your armor and breaks set bonuses when activated. That can be a problem for many builds, and it's almost always a loss of armor effectiveness.

    Exactly, the point of having rebreathers on all toons and boffs, to use the set bonuses,
    You get it :smile:

    Only wearing an oxy mask makes no sense for Nukara, the Tholian ship, spacewalking with Kurland Here, etc.

    Aside from the Elachi episodes, where is wearing a rebreather enough to protect you?

    There is the Kentari Homeworld in New Frontiers Story Arc, and what if they decided to add more toxic worlds at a later date?

  • majorcharvenakmajorcharvenak Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    No, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would not be better.
    guyc71 wrote: »
    guyc71 wrote: »
    stolok wrote: »
    Yes, we need to be able to use breathers when it's just gases. Remember, the EV suit replaces your armor and breaks set bonuses when activated. That can be a problem for many builds, and it's almost always a loss of armor effectiveness.

    Exactly, the point of having rebreathers on all toons and boffs, to use the set bonuses,
    You get it :smile:

    Only wearing an oxy mask makes no sense for Nukara, the Tholian ship, spacewalking with Kurland Here, etc.

    Aside from the Elachi episodes, where is wearing a rebreather enough to protect you?

    There is the Kentari Homeworld in New Frontiers Story Arc, and what if they decided to add more toxic worlds at a later date?

    Just ran that mission yesterday on my principal alt. Was in my EV suit the whole way until I got the Kentari Prime Minister's office. Personally, I feel they should just do away with the rebreathers and be done with them. One less thing to worry about keeping if we already have something else that can do the same function (and more). My two ec.
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  • ussvinovia#1662 ussvinovia Member Posts: 134 Arc User
    > @sthe91 said:
    > > @guyc71 said:
    > > Actually this QoL Mechanic is Bugging out all toons except Romulans! from being able to get the Rebreather,
    > > so Yes its a purposefully coded BUG!
    >
    > A bug is never purposefully coded. If anything this might be an oversight.
    >
    > P.S. I find the poll biased.

    A linguistic bug may be an oversight, it's still a bug.
  • guyc71guyc71 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Yes, Having the Auto Fitting EV suit QoL Mechanic as an ingame Option would be better.
    Ok, so going on what I have noticed so far, at time of me now posting this comment, there has been 221 views, 10 Votes, and currently 80% of voters think this QoL Mechanic (Auto Fitting EV suits) would be better if it was an Optional choice.
    So I am going to wait a while maybe a week or so to see if more votes arrive.
    Thank you All for your Comment's and Vote's.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    Since this is ongoing i will clarify my previous comment.

    I feel the mechanic of the rebreather is nice and i would like to see some use for it. E.g. content where EV suits are artificially disabled. I would also like to see a rebreather included in the kentari ground set.

    Being able to manually enable/disable your EV suit would have uses in maps where one can fall of the map (e.g. Nukara with the transparent Lava and being unable to die/beam out since you continuously take damage).

    BUT as most of us probably remember people entering a Nukara ground TFO without having their EV suit activated (either because of ignorance or as a mean to grief others) i feel the benefits of an automatic EV suit mechanic outweigh the cons with regard to role play with rebreathers.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • neverland#6511 neverland Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited October 2023
    More options usually = more flexibility, more mechanics, more freedom of choice, more realism. It would be more realistic to die on the Nukara surface or at the Vlugta mine with your EV suit not equipped. It would be more realistic also to die on the Nukara surface and at the Vlugta mine with your rebreather equipped because, as it was stated before,
    guyc71 wrote: »
    stolok wrote: »
    Yes, we need to be able to use breathers when it's just gases. Remember, the EV suit replaces your armor and breaks set bonuses when activated. That can be a problem for many builds, and it's almost always a loss of armor effectiveness.

    Exactly, the point of having rebreathers on all toons and boffs, to use the set bonuses,
    You get it :smile:

    Only wearing an oxy mask makes no sense for Nukara, the Tholian ship, spacewalking with Kurland Here, etc.

    Aside from the Elachi episodes, where is wearing a rebreather enough to protect you?

    This is true mostly for humans, though. We can't survive even if it's "just gases" because if we spend too much time in a hazardous area, our eyes and our skin will be crippled. And as for aliens and the Roms in particular, it's not so easy to talk about their anatomy. It's a bit different from our own, anyway. The theme of their anatomy requires creating a new thread :) For example, I still remember the episodes with romantic relationships between a Romulan and a human, as well as a Vulkan and a human. I wonder whether they would have healthy children or any children at all had those events occurred in a real life.

    The problem with the Kentari is mostly a problem of a huge amount of factories concentrated around living areas and the lack of will and financing to develop infrastructure and medical services. And the speed of development on the whole as well. Look, they already live in an industrial areas and can travel in space but they only recently discovered that they can take all the resources necessary for building new people-friendly infrastructure from their moon. Although this looks not so realistic and seems to be rather a stylish (reminds me of the yellowish style of the Deus Ex: HR game) anti-utopia made in the style of cyberpunk, it isn't a post-apocalyptic world, that is why a rebreather should be enough in that particular place.

    And finally, builds. There are several good PVE ground builds with one "common" weapon obtained from the lobi store to fit a build, for example, and another one obtained from a mission to fit a set for bonuses. In such builds they also have exact recommendations about armor and EV suits, the last from the Reputation System usually. Such builds are flexible and you can use them for any environment just switching between suits and weapons. And even if you have a very specific build made for any particular TFO and/or area of the game, you do queue for that particular TFO/area, not for a random one, don't you. In this case you're already prepared for what is waiting for you ahead.

    I think that anyway the build-makers will surely add new build recommendations in case the devs make the changes.

    I'm not sure how I should vote here because the poll itself deals with the option of turning EV suits on or off by ourselves, and people talk mostly about rebreathers at that in their comments. Those who, like me, support the idea of more flexible options say that rebreathers can replace EV suits at all which doesn't sound "realistic". For humans, at least. And those who voted against the idea express thoughts in which the game continues to be more interesting at all and for role-playing in particular.

    As a person who would also like a "realistic" opinion to be heard and to support those with similar points of view I'm just leaving this comment here.
    Post edited by neverland#6511 on
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