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colonelmarik
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So... back in 2016 when K13 was added to the game, I decided to build the thing. I wasn't really impressed with the regular starbase, but the TOS aesthetic of K13 really appealed to me much more.
So, for the last SEVEN YEARS, I've been grinding, bankrupting all my characters of every single DO, EC and dilithium they get, and FINALLY, I finished upgrading the engineering and science lines to tier 3. The last one was a RIDICULOUS amount of officers and dilithium to upgrade, so when the 9 day countdown ended tonight, I went to K13 with some anticipation. Seven years had led to... NOTHING.
I arrived at the station, and it was still unfinished. I looked at the holding menu and... there's another upgrade, to make the thing Tier 3 itself... and the amount of resources to do it is STUPID. 25 MILLION credits? All my characters together don't have that much. 1.6 MILLION dilithium? It took me YEARS to get roughly HALF that much.
BOY am I disappointed. Years of work has led me to... more years of work and no actual benefit.
Nothing to be done about it, I know. I just needed to vent.
So, for the last SEVEN YEARS, I've been grinding, bankrupting all my characters of every single DO, EC and dilithium they get, and FINALLY, I finished upgrading the engineering and science lines to tier 3. The last one was a RIDICULOUS amount of officers and dilithium to upgrade, so when the 9 day countdown ended tonight, I went to K13 with some anticipation. Seven years had led to... NOTHING.
I arrived at the station, and it was still unfinished. I looked at the holding menu and... there's another upgrade, to make the thing Tier 3 itself... and the amount of resources to do it is STUPID. 25 MILLION credits? All my characters together don't have that much. 1.6 MILLION dilithium? It took me YEARS to get roughly HALF that much.
BOY am I disappointed. Years of work has led me to... more years of work and no actual benefit.
Nothing to be done about it, I know. I just needed to vent.
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Spend $3 to get 3 keys and sell them on the exchange and you are sorted. Spend some cash on Dil too and just use that Dil to finish the project, I think 3000 Zen should get you enough.
I'm soloing 2 Fleets: one FED, one KDF. I started my FED Fleet in 2012 and my KDF Fleet in 2013. I maxed out everything on the FED Fleet years ago with the exception of the Starbase itself (currently working on Tier 5) and the Colony (currently working on Tier 3). In the same 7 year timeframe, I maxed out all other Holdings and got the Starbase to Tier 4, while also working on a second Fleet. It's entirely possible to do, even solo.
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Barring that, the energy credits shouldn't be too much of an issue if you buy keys, as stated, or happen to get lucky with a good lockbox ship. I would actually suggest grinding the summer lohlunaut currency. Even during the event it sells pretty well, but if you wait 'til winter, a stack of 999 can sell for over 10 million. Yes, it's a grind, but at least the summer event grind has some fun stuff, and it's only a few weeks of grind, not years.
The dilithium might be more of a problem, but remember to grind out DOff and Admiralty stuff. I got 200k dilithium after logging back in during the last event and doing those every day on one character for 2 weeks. Just look for missions that award dilithium in both systems.
Plus the Klingon Admiralty awards 40k dilithium for fleet use, so even you only do that on one character, you're looking at 40k every 10 days. 1.6 million/40k = 40, and 40x10 days = 400 days, so just over a year to get fleet-only dilithium in the amount needed, not the "years" you stated. No dilithium for your own use if you go that route (barring incidental from the admiralty missions) but at least you'd get the fleet project done.
I'm assuming you play on PC, in which case I couldn't offer any assistance. If you're an Xbox player though, I'd be happy to complete that last project for you in one fell swoop, if it would be welcome.
I agree. The only fleet i would join is my own, but I don't play enough to raise up all the elements to get a starbase up so it's of benefit
I am right there at the front of the line when it's time to call out Cryptic for being shady, but this is certainly not one of those times. Lets remember, you have opted to complete a fleet activity by yourself. You are doing something that was built with the intention of occupying a dozen or more players for a significant period of time.
Now, as pointed out, if that's something you see as fun then no criticism for that.. that's cool, it's how you want to play and you're playing it that way.. all good. But the reason the goal is so monumental is because you're taking on the goal of 12 players by yourself. When you consider that you can meet this goal for about $10 in Zen it really doesn't seem so bad does it?
I actually think it's pretty fair all considered.
And with admiralty, it's hard NOT to earn 125K+ credits per day just doing Klingon + Ferengi tracks on a single character, once per day. Do endeavors and there will be 50K - 500K credit drops fairly often.
If someone chooses to solo a fleet, they choose to do a lot of grinding and/or pay some real world cash monies. They're free to gripe of course, but I'm free to shake my head and ask: "what did you expect?"
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Well, yes. This is the way. 😏 It's even like this with Reputations. The next level up is usually approximately double the previous. I'm working on my Tier 5 Starbase, and it will take me 2.5x the effort I spent in getting to Tier 4.
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I don't think that what the Colonel is saying. I don't get a "Next Tier is More Expensive than the Last Tier" vibe here.
I think he's saying that he finished the project that would earn him all the "points" for achieving Tier 3 at K-13 only to discover that, after the cooldown there was yet another project, costing at least twice the one that was just completed, to make those already earned points "official."
To put this in perspective lets take the 1.6m dil requirement as one calculation. If you assume a fleet of 10 people contributing on only a single character, that's 160k dilithium per person. Assuming all 10 people hit their dil refinement on that toon each day, that's 20 days worth of refinement which brings it down to earth. Again this assumes only 10 people contributing on one toon. If we assume those same people are contributing on 2 characters each, that cuts the 20 days into 10 days. Are those big numbers daunting to see, certainly. But they're not nearly as bad as people think.
If anything needs to happen at this point imo, we need to be able to replicate colony provisions until tier 1.
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When the colony first came out, I tried to suggest this verry thing in multiple posts, IT NEVER HAPPENED.
At this point in time, I do not see that ever hapening
Yeah, that would be dumb. They designed Fleets to be a Group endeavor. They don't stop you from being in a Solo Fleet and advancing the Holdings, but they don't (and IMO shouldn't) cater to the Solo Fleet player as that's not what the content was designed for.
Under that system you could have a group of players decide to have one of their members run the Fleet and support him by giving him various needed items until everything is a T5 (T3 for the smaller Holdings); and then have everyone actually join for the Fleet benefits.
You want to do it all yourself; fine, but don't complain because the system wasn't designed to make that option efficient or easy.
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