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redshirtjohnson
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I'm not one to come on the forums all that much, never really have the need, but here's the thing, love my Mercury Class Tactical Pilot Escort, just kind of wish I could be able to equip the standard (doesn't need to be the Incremental Phase Cloaking Device, on the Mercury Class, was kind of the entire reason I got it as the way I read the tool tips and zen store listing it sounded like it was able to cloak.
The standard fed cloak states "any Federation Tactical Escort (Tire 5+), Battle Cruiser, ext ext ext" and the Zen store text for the Mercury class states "These tactical maneuvers are disabled while your engines are offline, you are cloaked, or you are under the effects of skills such as Eject Warp Plasma, Gravity Well, and Tractor Beam."
is there a Q (what I lovingly call the powers that be) that could see fit to address this for me, even if it is a "never going to happen", I'd like just to hear the official reasoning of why a Federation Tactical Escort (and it isn't even the only pilot escort to get cloak [and I know that could be cause that one is a defiant variant]) that mentions in its sales pitch about cloaking, that we can't use the cloak on it.
thanks for your time. and live long and prosper.
The standard fed cloak states "any Federation Tactical Escort (Tire 5+), Battle Cruiser, ext ext ext" and the Zen store text for the Mercury class states "These tactical maneuvers are disabled while your engines are offline, you are cloaked, or you are under the effects of skills such as Eject Warp Plasma, Gravity Well, and Tractor Beam."
is there a Q (what I lovingly call the powers that be) that could see fit to address this for me, even if it is a "never going to happen", I'd like just to hear the official reasoning of why a Federation Tactical Escort (and it isn't even the only pilot escort to get cloak [and I know that could be cause that one is a defiant variant]) that mentions in its sales pitch about cloaking, that we can't use the cloak on it.
thanks for your time. and live long and prosper.
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They've also said that for balance reasons cloak will never be available for all ships, but personally I think it would be fine for them to open this console up to more ships, the fact that it takes a console slot means the balance problem is already taken care of.
I totally get that, I'm being very pedantic and exact, the rules of the English language would denote "Any Federation Tactical Escort" being just that Any and all Federation Tactical Escort, now they could say that it is a cross faction ship, but it wasn't when it was released, it was a Federation Tactical Escort, but I totally agree with you on the need for balance, but as you said as it takes up a console slot that would seem to be address as even with the Experimental upgrade we still have to make scarifies to use it.
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Besides, nowadays, if you want cloak, just grab a Romulan or Klingon ship. The pilot raptors have cloaks, and the Romulan pilot warbirds have battlecloaks, the direct counterparts to the Mercury and sister ships. So if you want your Mercury, but with a cloak, you do have options, quite good options.
I also like the idea of the likes of the Bajoran Interceptor, and Maquis Raider getting the cloak, giving up 2 console slots for battle cloak is a price I'm willing to pay
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The classification text is exact and absolute and NOT an error, and it is not open to player interpretation. It's simple. If the ship is not of that exact classification, it can't use it. That person on the other end of support cannot claim it's an error because they only deal with Account issues, not game issues. They are at the bottom end of basic customer support and cover ALL Cryptic/PWE games.
One of the devs (I think it was Geko) said in a podcast recently that from a lore perspective all Fed ships should be able to cloak now due to the Feds, Romulans, and Klingons all being part of a large alliance now, but that it won't happen in the game for gameplay/balance reasons.
Its not something I'd loudly complain about if any ship could use the cloak console, but it would be just another thing taken away from the non-Feds.
that is a nasty way of thinking of customer service, I don't see them as the bottom of anything, I see them as the front line, the first responders if you will, and it wasn't account services I was talking to, it was a GM, and they said they didn't have anyway to make it a quick flip of the switch but they did send the feedback up the chain of command, and said they'd hope it would be implemented in the future, I just looked in my emails, and that back and forth was back in 2019.
as for your declaration of it being exact and absolute, "Any Federation Tactical Escort" is also exacting and absolute, unless you're trying to spin this as the difference between Employees and Independent Contractors, they do the exact same job, but the employer has no legal obligation to give the IC any benefits afforded to employees, but unlike that, this small distinction won't cost Cryptic any major investment other than changing a zero to a one in the can this ship equip x Yes = 1 No = 0
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the lore wise I agree, and even in season 3 of Discovery Starfleet HQ is clearly using a Cloaking Shield, so it isn't like it isn't out of the realm of possibly, lore wise (and correct me if I'm wrong) The Wells and other 29th century temporal ships should have temporal cloaks for observation missions.
as for the gameplay/balance reasons, that's hogwash, even more so now that that we can just use a KDF or Rom ship that has them, as many have said here, and that I've agreed with, getting a Defiant, Mercury Class Tactical Pilot Escort, Bajoran Interceptor, and Maquis Raider to cloak let alone battle cloak (I'm not asking for Enhanced battle cloak, that can still be a perk of those ships that offer it) comes at the cost of 2 console slots, a weapons slot, and the Zen it takes to get them in the first place, along with the ships, both the Bajoran Interceptor, and Maquis Raider are behind paywalls for a lot of people, myself included, as I was out of game when the Bajoran Interceptor was offered as an account unlock, and I've been lucky enough to get two of them from the Phoenix Prize Tokens, and the Maquis Raider is behind a massive 900Lobi wall, and going with base odds of Lobi procurement on just keys and reading it as 4lobi all you can hope for per key, that is 225 keys, you can argue that lobi can give more than just 4, but it isn't guaranteed, and other forms that give min.10lobi per open are still a major investment at 90 units. discount events soften the investment, but those are few and far between and shouldn't factor into an everyday frame of mind. same with meta reward events that give lobi or ships, as those are accidental fish (flukes)
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Well, now feds have access to all the ships of their allies, so they dont need a unique ship to do that, also, the Temer it's just that answer, a kinda neutral ship with enhaced Battle Cloak... some may not like the materials, but it's available now..
I'm like 3 or so days away from getting the Temer, and it will become my KDF recruit's main ship for sure, currently in the Legendary Defiant, was thinking of getting the 2021 Legendary Bundle, but I'm like 20days off until my tax returns come in and I can try and get it, but the flaws in that bundle are a topic for a different post.
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right, if Cryptic wanted to nip this in the bud, and silence me on this subject, just remove "Tactical" from the Mercury Class Tactical Pilot Escort name, or the "any" from the tooltip of the cloaking device console, then my pedantic arguments would be squashed.
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Considering there's 3 or 4 versions of the Defiant , I think dropping 'Tactical' and changing it to 'Legendary Defiant Escort', 'Valiant Class Defiant Escort', and 'Sao Paulo Class Defiant Escort' would be a better way to go, and the pilot ships could be changed to simply 'Pilot Escort' instead of 'Tactical Pilot Escort'. Wouldn't make much sense from a lore perspective but it would clear up all the confusion people run into, especially new players.
In some cases it's necessary, for example the Galaxy class saucer separation console wouldn't function properly on a model that isn't designed to split in two, either the pet would be invisible or you would have a situation where something like a Defiant could somehow spawn a Galaxy saucer from its main deflector.
Then Romulans should no longer have to suffer the -40 power loss and singularity cores should get a improvement
Romulan suffer weaker stats across the board from lower power to weaker shields and hull and that isn't something that can just be made up in 2 console slots
The singularity powers aren't even that good, they scale very bad in modern sto. Though I would be up to adding a gimmick to fed ships in exchange for increased power. I always thought fed ships should all have sensor analysis, apart of this exchange though science ships should get a better version that stacks much faster or doesn't require a target lock to start stacking a aoe debuff of sorts. Call it enhanced sensor analysis.
They haven't been very good for years...and the singularity cores typically pale in comparison to the m/am cores...the only good thing about them is they can have particle generators skill which to my knowledge no m/am core has.
Romulan ships have battlecloak but suffer so much...the crit rating from boffs used to be a big deal but now there is just so many ways to get crit rating that the advantage from that is greatly diminished. (Heck you can get 10% crit from just two rep traits alone)