The B'rel is the PERFECT choise as a legendary starter bundle like the Rom package.
D7 is the PERECT choice for an Anni bundle.
If you look at it from a perspective of a company trying to fleece every available penny from Star Trek fans as is humanly possible (especially the suckers), it makes perfect sense.
This used to be a game that happened to have a store attached. Now, it's a store that happens to have a game attached.
I'm sure we'll get a D7 legendary bundle the likes of the Romulan one later. Legendary D7, lvl 65 upgrade, lots of junk, 12'000 Zen. This shouldn't surprise anyone anymore. If you hire "mobile gaming", you get mobile-gaming-style price gouging.
Always fun to see massivelyop just copy paste things from Reddit instead of actually doing their own work.
You know its bad when even the STO Reddit has made fun of the website for just copy pasting things from the Reddit, even when it was over previous time people believed Crpyitc messed up.
Try not to let it trigger you. It's just a video game website.
The B'rel is the PERFECT choise as a legendary starter bundle like the Rom package.
D7 is the PERECT choice for an Anni bundle.
If you look at it from a perspective of a company trying to fleece every available penny from Star Trek fans as is humanly possible (especially the suckers), it makes perfect sense.
This used to be a game that happened to have a store attached. Now, it's a store that happens to have a game attached.
I'm sure we'll get a D7 legendary bundle the likes of the Romulan one later. Legendary D7, lvl 65 upgrade, lots of junk, 12'000 Zen. This shouldn't surprise anyone anymore. If you hire "mobile gaming", you get mobile-gaming-style price gouging.
Yeah, Kael's comments make that scenario sound very likely.
I'm sure we'll get a D7 legendary bundle the likes of the Romulan one later. Legendary D7, lvl 65 upgrade, lots of junk, 12'000 Zen. This shouldn't surprise anyone anymore. If you hire "mobile gaming", you get mobile-gaming-style price gouging.
Of course. They saw that, given the choice, people didn't want to pay for a bunch of garbage with the ship pack with the legendary bundle. So, they simply removed the choice.
You either buy the TRIBBLE, or you get nothing.
This is what happens when you go to conventions and see fans throwing money away on garbage. They feel they can sell anything to Star Trek fans, and they're probably right. Some suckers will buy this, and the price gouging will only get worse.
Using terms like this just makes devs less likely to listen to any sort of feedback,
If that's true, then they stopped reading a long time ago. Probably in beta, because people have been using sensationalist language here (and everywhere else) since the start. So either you're right (and they stopped reading a long time ago), or you're wrong and they're still reading.
For what it's worth, though, I agree on the main point: if you have to exaggerate to make your point then that is proof that your point isn't valid on it's own merits.
As far as the pack goes, the price isn't my problem; it's the contents. The confirmation that they won't be doing a large KDF legendary bundle (even if not 10 ships, half a dozen would have worked for me) for the 'Year of Klingon' is beyond sad.
Price gouging would imply the value is massively overinflated compared to the actual value of its contents. As Strathkin pointed out earlier in the thread, the price of the bundle is actually less then that of its individual parts combined. Now you may not want those things, and may think they are inflating the price of the bundle by adding them in, but by all metrics there is no "price gouging" going on.
Just like "false advertising" and "bait and switch" don't mean "any time something turns out other then what I thought" as people tend to use it, "price gouging" doesn't mean "I'm not willing to pay that much for it because it includes things I don't care for"
Knowing that people do not want these extra things (which they do thanks to the legendary bundle) and forcing you to buy them in order to get another product anyway is, indeed, price gouging. Youre just technically including things you feel are worth the price, when youre the one setting the price, without competition.
If you sell a soda for $20 because you have to buy a glass that you made with it depicting slugs mating that you know no one wants, and you make sure theres no other way to get the soda, youre ripping people off intentionally. Sure, you can say that the glass is worth $19, but its only worth $19 because you say its worth $19.
Using terms like this just makes devs less likely to listen to any sort of feedback,
If that's true, then they stopped reading a long time ago. Probably in beta, because people have been using sensationalist language here (and everywhere else) since the start. So either you're right (and they stopped reading a long time ago), or you're wrong and they're still reading.
For what it's worth, though, I agree on the main point: if you have to exaggerate to make your point then that is proof that your point isn't valid on it's own merits.
As far as the pack goes, the price isn't my problem; it's the contents. The confirmation that they won't be doing a large KDF legendary bundle (even if not 10 ships, half a dozen would have worked for me) for the 'Year of Klingon' is beyond sad.
My train of thought is a step further, perhaps they should consider a career move & not be "devs" or any other position that part of the job is listening to feedback, good & bad. I'm sure some days are better than others just like any other occupation & we're all only human, though I'm hearing we're making strides in the AI department, but if there is intent to just give lip-service to feedback then perhaps it's time for that individual to move-on, if that's the case.
Account unlocks of what were previously only single-character lockbox/promo ships is no gimmick to me. The reason I bought the Fed legendary bundle despite already having all of the connies in it was so I could get those ships on my entire account. That's what I was looking for with a KDF legendary bundle (RIP).
Ok? Different people like different things. Welcome to life. It's not some kind of contest to see how many people you can inform that you don't like the same things as them.
If the guy in front of me orders a flavor of ice cream I don't like, I'm not going to say "excuse me, but I just want you to know...I don't like that flavor!". That's lame. Don't be that way.
Ok, I'll step in quick here, because I don't want to fan the flames of false hope. This is the big Legendary Bundle for this year. There may be other Legendary Bundles this year, including one I think you'll like based on the reaction today, but they will be on the scale of the Romulan, Discovery and Mirror Bundles. There aren't any plans for a ten ship bundle, I'm sorry.
So nope, there won't be any big 10 ship KDF bundle.
Yes that's also what I strongly suspected as a 5, or 10 Ship Legendary Klingon Bundle was likely never anticipated. I always thought we will likely to see a one ship, perhaps two at very best, if were that lucky! I'm sure they'll evaluate the add-ons that came with the Legendary Discovery/Romulan/Anniversary Bundle as they include a lot across all 3; so it's possible this last bundle will be a bit different based on the feedback they've seen!
Have to wait and see, till then, try as I do to be fair to all.
Account unlocks of what were previously only single-character lockbox/promo ships is no gimmick to me. The reason I bought the Fed legendary bundle despite already having all of the connies in it was so I could get those ships on my entire account. That's what I was looking for with a KDF legendary bundle (RIP).
What will the Legendary Klingon eventually reveal in months ahead, stay tuned for... ...that temporal singularity.
Feels like I treat my Captains & their crews, as Picard would for his... ...I'm sure that's the same for everyone, we're all just trying to enjoy Star Trek, as best we can with what we have.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Mirror_Universe_Bundle
╘ is a very fine bundle, given it includes a Legendary Ship for 6000 ZEN + a few nice perks!
╘ and I believe it's always available in Ship Bundle at that price, something a few may have missed?
Ok, I'll step in quick here, because I don't want to fan the flames of false hope. This is the big Legendary Bundle for this year. There may be other Legendary Bundles this year, including one I think you'll like based on the reaction today, but they will be on the scale of the Romulan, Discovery and Mirror Bundles. There aren't any plans for a ten ship bundle, I'm sorry.
So nope, there won't be any big 10 ship KDF bundle.
Yes that's also what I strongly suspected as a 5, or 10 Ship Legendary Klingon Bundle was likely never anticipated. I always thought we will likely to see a one ship, perhaps two at very best, if were that lucky! I'm sure they'll evaluate the add-ons that came with the Legendary Discovery/Romulan/Anniversary Bundle as they include a lot across all 3; so it's possible this last bundle will be a bit different based on the feedback they've seen!
Have to wait and see, till then, try as I do to be fair to all.
At best we'll get an overpriced D7 or Negh'var "level a toon straight to 65" package like the Roms
While I think the package is too pricey for my taste, using sensationalist language like "price gouging" does nothing to help the conversation.
Are you looking at the 2021 bundle or the 2020 one?
While it's not technically price-gouging, the pricing is all sorts of inappropriate. The 2020 bundle was extremely overpriced, but at least had some bang for the buck.
The upcoming bundle has almost the same pricetag and much less account-wide stuff. It also really misses the point of 'year of klingon', giving mere two vessels to the KDF. No wonder people are using "sensationalist language" to describe it.
The only thing that misses the point of "Year of Klingon" is the idea that ships are somehow part of even the idea of YoK.
Yeah, "ships not being part of the idea of YoK" is why one of the first things they showed off were screenshots of the improved klingon ship-models and textures... how dare people dream of a good KDF-ship-bundle to roll with that
The only thing that misses the point of "Year of Klingon" is the idea that ships are somehow part of even the idea of YoK.
You know, there's a lot we don't agree on. But one thing I can say is that at least you haven't been straight-up BS-ing people; but I guess that's changed.
Cryptic has absolutely been including updated ships in their YOK advertisements:
Over the next twelve months (maybe more), you’ll see new Klingon character models for some of our classic characters like J’Mpok, updated skins for the classic Klingon ships like the Bird of Prey, new environments and cutscenes to refresh this old but beloved content.
Is YOK all about ships? Of course not. No one said that. But yes, ships are absolutely PART of what YOK is about, and that means that this statement...
The only thing that misses the point of "Year of Klingon" is the idea that ships are somehow part of even the idea of YoK.
You know, there's a lot we don't agree on. But one thing I can say is that at least you haven't been straight-up BS-ing people; but I guess that's changed.
Cryptic has absolutely been including updated ships in their YOK advertisements:
Over the next twelve months (maybe more), you’ll see new Klingon character models for some of our classic characters like J’Mpok, updated skins for the classic Klingon ships like the Bird of Prey, new environments and cutscenes to refresh this old but beloved content.
Is YOK all about ships? Of course not. No one said that. But yes, ships are absolutely PART of what YOK is about, and that means that this statement...
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I'm sure we'll get a D7 legendary bundle the likes of the Romulan one later. Legendary D7, lvl 65 upgrade, lots of junk, 12'000 Zen. This shouldn't surprise anyone anymore. If you hire "mobile gaming", you get mobile-gaming-style price gouging.
Try not to let it trigger you. It's just a video game website.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yeah, Kael's comments make that scenario sound very likely.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Nah, I don't think so. Not your style
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You either buy the TRIBBLE, or you get nothing.
This is what happens when you go to conventions and see fans throwing money away on garbage. They feel they can sell anything to Star Trek fans, and they're probably right. Some suckers will buy this, and the price gouging will only get worse.
Worth noting the Transwarp Computer console can be used by any ship but the Tactical Maneuvering Matrix can only be used by an Excelsior variant.
A bit interesting that 1 of the ship-skins shares the class name: Sao Paulo with the Defiant-class. Oh yeah, now I see the resemblance. :-)
Overall though still "repulsed" by this laughable legendary bundle.
That B'rel opening act was just pitiful & the lack of interest shined through imo by Cryptic.
If that's true, then they stopped reading a long time ago. Probably in beta, because people have been using sensationalist language here (and everywhere else) since the start. So either you're right (and they stopped reading a long time ago), or you're wrong and they're still reading.
For what it's worth, though, I agree on the main point: if you have to exaggerate to make your point then that is proof that your point isn't valid on it's own merits.
As far as the pack goes, the price isn't my problem; it's the contents. The confirmation that they won't be doing a large KDF legendary bundle (even if not 10 ships, half a dozen would have worked for me) for the 'Year of Klingon' is beyond sad.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
If you sell a soda for $20 because you have to buy a glass that you made with it depicting slugs mating that you know no one wants, and you make sure theres no other way to get the soda, youre ripping people off intentionally. Sure, you can say that the glass is worth $19, but its only worth $19 because you say its worth $19.
My train of thought is a step further, perhaps they should consider a career move & not be "devs" or any other position that part of the job is listening to feedback, good & bad. I'm sure some days are better than others just like any other occupation & we're all only human, though I'm hearing we're making strides in the AI department, but if there is intent to just give lip-service to feedback then perhaps it's time for that individual to move-on, if that's the case.
Account unlocks of what were previously only single-character lockbox/promo ships is no gimmick to me. The reason I bought the Fed legendary bundle despite already having all of the connies in it was so I could get those ships on my entire account. That's what I was looking for with a KDF legendary bundle (RIP).
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Ok? Different people like different things. Welcome to life. It's not some kind of contest to see how many people you can inform that you don't like the same things as them.
If the guy in front of me orders a flavor of ice cream I don't like, I'm not going to say "excuse me, but I just want you to know...I don't like that flavor!". That's lame. Don't be that way.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yes that's also what I strongly suspected as a 5, or 10 Ship Legendary Klingon Bundle was likely never anticipated. I always thought we will likely to see a one ship, perhaps two at very best, if were that lucky! I'm sure they'll evaluate the add-ons that came with the Legendary Discovery/Romulan/Anniversary Bundle as they include a lot across all 3; so it's possible this last bundle will be a bit different based on the feedback they've seen!
Have to wait and see, till then, try as I do to be fair to all.
What will the Legendary Klingon eventually reveal in months ahead, stay tuned for... ...that temporal singularity.
Feels like I treat my Captains & their crews, as Picard would for his... ...I'm sure that's the same for everyone, we're all just trying to enjoy Star Trek, as best we can with what we have.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Mirror_Universe_Bundle
╘ is a very fine bundle, given it includes a Legendary Ship for 6000 ZEN + a few nice perks!
╘ and I believe it's always available in Ship Bundle at that price, something a few may have missed?
At best we'll get an overpriced D7 or Negh'var "level a toon straight to 65" package like the Roms
Are you looking at the 2021 bundle or the 2020 one?
While it's not technically price-gouging, the pricing is all sorts of inappropriate. The 2020 bundle was extremely overpriced, but at least had some bang for the buck.
The upcoming bundle has almost the same pricetag and much less account-wide stuff. It also really misses the point of 'year of klingon', giving mere two vessels to the KDF. No wonder people are using "sensationalist language" to describe it.
Yeah, "ships not being part of the idea of YoK" is why one of the first things they showed off were screenshots of the improved klingon ship-models and textures... how dare people dream of a good KDF-ship-bundle to roll with that
You know, there's a lot we don't agree on. But one thing I can say is that at least you haven't been straight-up BS-ing people; but I guess that's changed.
Cryptic has absolutely been including updated ships in their YOK advertisements:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11423783-the-year-of-klingon
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11467903
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/hpk0f0/quick_look_at_concept_art_from_new_sto_content/
Is YOK all about ships? Of course not. No one said that. But yes, ships are absolutely PART of what YOK is about, and that means that this statement...
...is 100% BS. And you actually KNOW it, but you said it anyway. That's what makes it so sad.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
.. Do you two *still* do this?
Anyway, I have to admit, if they wanted me to drop a third of my paycheck on this, this is sure not how i'd do it.
Now that was a "bazinga" retort lol